StHustle Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Now that first fumble forced by Watt, I can't even blame the guy. Watt punched that ball so hard with such pin point accuracy, I'm not sure how many players in the league dont fumble it. But overall the numbers arent good. In college there were no red flags. He had 5 fumbles over his 3 year career which included 778 touches (1 fumble per about 156 touches). THIS YEAR? 4 fumbles with just 164 touches for an alarming rate of 1 fumble per 41 touches. This guy has AMAZING potential to be a top 5 back in this league for years to come but MUST get that together and quickly. I'm sure the coaches are on top of this. Just something to keep an eye on moving forward. I want the guy to get 25-30 touches per game but at this rate he would fumble 2 times every 3 games. Edited December 16, 2019 by StHustle 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 All his fumbles are the same too— he’s juking a guy out and gets nailed from behind by the pursuit. It’s a concern— he probably was good enough in college that no one was chasing him down from behind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I don't know too many players that could avoid a couple of those that were punched out from behind. hell of a defensive play I'd say. as for concern going forward, I'm not, he'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think as he gets more experience and more field awareness they will decrease. Has to realize by now that NFL defenders are worlds better than what he faced in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I have to say I have never seen a team attack the ball like Pittsburgh did last night, it was amazing to watch, but frightening at the same time. He needs to get better as we can see Gore has nothing left in the tank. I hope he figures it out.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: I have to say I have never seen a team attack the ball like Pittsburgh did last night, it was amazing to watch, but frightening at the same time. He needs to get better as we can see Gore has nothing left in the tank. I hope he figures it out.... I agree, they are awesome at taking the ball away, it’s like an art. Something we can take from that game on our offense and defense. Protect the ball more and go after the ball more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 They absolutely need to do this to Motor all WEEK: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a98695c0-af78-4089-92de-4fbcdb849efb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I'm pretty sure Singletary already knows he doesn't want to fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: I have to say I have never seen a team attack the ball like Pittsburgh did last night, it was amazing to watch, but frightening at the same time. He needs to get better as we can see Gore has nothing left in the tank. I hope he figures it out.... I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Ball security will be a focus this week I'm sure. And fortunately it is something that can be improved. Not sure what it was, but the ball just seemed a little extra slippery last night, for both teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The more touches he gets, the more chances for a fumble. Hopefully his fumbles will be limited but they will happen. I am more concerned about Allen fumbling the ball when he runs than Singletary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. That was crazy and luckily he missed huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 It was a good thing he lost the ball last night. Gets to see himself on film and the mistakes and make adjustments. They were after the ball all night everyone knew they were going to get to it at some point. Watt is playing at a mvp level I expected him to make some huge plays. And as much as we dog on Ford he help up quite nice I thought against Watt. Singletary will be alright. I’m sure in film study they will be preaching ball security and sometimes just go forward you can’t juke everyone every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 For sure needs to tighten that part of his game up. That will be the only thing standing between him and a top back for years to come. I think he can get better at it. I wonder if this was something that was happening in Training camp and practice early in the year. Might of been another contributing factor for why Gore was getting more touches to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. That was so close to a solid punch to man land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 7 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. That was so scary. If he hits that ball direct, it's coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 21 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: I don't know too many players that could avoid a couple of those that were punched out from behind. hell of a defensive play I'd say. as for concern going forward, I'm not, he'll be fine. Agreed. Be nice if people would not over react from one game. Every week there is some over reaction to something that happened in one game as if it’s chronic, been happening all year, etc. Let’s not panic over some big defensive plays by a great defense as if it’s now a chronic issue for Singletary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Thank God Brown recovered that 2nd fumble or we probably lose that game. This is a serious issue that will have to be addressed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Could ruin his career. Hopefully it gets sorted, needs to put two hands on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Don't become? That ship has sailed bro'. Motor has a problem hanging on to the rock. Since practically the entire offense revolves around him, this is a major issue going forward. In the old days, your teammates would put a football with a handle in your locker. Whatever the Bills need to do to get Motor to stop fumbling, they need to do it yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 He's already suffering from fumbleitis. He's gotta work on his ball security Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: The more touches he gets, the more chances for a fumble. Hopefully his fumbles will be limited but they will happen. I am more concerned about Allen fumbling the ball when he runs than Singletary. This ^^^. Every time Josh runs I’m worried about him fumbling , I love Singletary but I don’t think he’s a 25-30 carries a game kind of a RB , i think Gore is done and will need to be replaced next year , I would love to see the Bills probably draft a big bruising RB , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirebors Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. I'm actually curious what the boundary is between a good play and a penalty. Can a player attempt to punch a ball out, miss, and strike that player in the chest, or arm, or head? How is punching someone under the guise of going for the ball still legal? I want to know the actual difference or the cut off boundary that it would be called a penalty. If Jerry Hughes did that exact same thing to Tom Brady and missed the ball and struck Brady in the chest would he be flagged? Edited December 16, 2019 by sirebors 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 it musta been wet or misty or some such last night. our WRs had some butter fingers, our RB fumbles twice, and after he was down the ball got popped out of allen's hands too. we also had pittz fumble 3 times right in front of white shirts, but they were lucky to get two of them. I think a part of it is both d's are salty and just disgusting, and there mighta been some kind of condition out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Thank God Brown recovered that 2nd fumble or we probably lose that game. This is a serious issue that will have to be addressed. are you glad they won the game? are in the playoffs? or isn't that enough? I ask because you seem based on your posts to be a very miserable bills fan. just go back over some of your gameday thread posts. enjoy the moment man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 No problem. Just start getting Josh used to throwing slightly deflated footballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Now that first fumble forced by Watt, I can't even blame the guy. Watt punched that ball so hard with such pin point accuracy, I'm not sure how many players in the league dont fumble it. But overall the numbers arent good. In college there were no red flags. He had 5 fumbles over his 3 year career which included 778 touches (1 fumble per about 156 touches). THIS YEAR? 4 fumbles with just 164 touches for an alarming rate of 1 fumble per 41 touches. This guy has AMAZING potential to be a top 5 back in this league for years to come but MUST get that together and quickly. I'm sure the coaches are on top of this. Just something to keep an eye on moving forward. I want the guy to get 25-30 touches per game but at this rate he would fumble 2 times every 3 games. I think the coaches are aware and are working with the guys hard. I think Singletary is very coachable and he'll improve. Allen was the same earlier in the season. Last night, he held on long enough to be down 1x, but he didn't get his second arm around. I'm sure they'll work on that with him this week. The second time when he held on with Watt punching him hard, you can see him making the "Bills Claw" that Sweeney demonstrated at the end of the Christmas fun video: Allen didn't do that earlier in the season so I'm sure that's being drilled into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not worried at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 They lead the nfl in fumble takeaways for a reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: are you glad they won the game? are in the playoffs? or isn't that enough? I ask because you seem based on your posts to be a very miserable bills fan. just go back over some of your gameday thread posts. enjoy the moment man. Some people enjoy the moment by cheering, and others by looking for room to improve. It's All Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Yeah, that's right, don't fumble, it really pisses off the defense. Everybody deserves a break. Just limit the fumbles till after the game .. Edited December 16, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Some people enjoy the moment by cheering, and others by looking for room to improve. It's All Good depends on how you see it. complaining and putting down players/coaches or being constructive with your criticism when looking for improvement? the latter seems more reasonable but that is not what I saw with the one your speaking for. all good, need it from all angles I suppose. as long as it's kept it between the lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think the one Watt attempted on Josh that just barely missed was even more "vicious." A direct hit on the ball with that punch move is going to dislodge it the majority of the time. What happens when he misses the ball? A personal foul? If no flag, it seems a team could take advantage to injure a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 TJ Watt is a beast. I now see how Pitt won all those games, that Defense is attacking and predatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Watt is truly a superstar, like his big bro. He won't be facing him each game so he should be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: What happens when he misses the ball? A personal foul? If no flag, it seems a team could take advantage to injure a player. Yeah I thought about the same thing. You are free to throw punches at an opposing player and as long as its in the area of the ball its legal. Sooo....even if you miss and punch a guy in the gut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 "Oh, well OK, since you asked. Otherwise I was definitely planning on being fumble prone" - Devin Singletary, probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 22 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: are you glad they won the game? are in the playoffs? or isn't that enough? I ask because you seem based on your posts to be a very miserable bills fan. just go back over some of your gameday thread posts. enjoy the moment man. I havent went over the guy's post history but what he said in the post you quoted is 10000% correct. And YOU saying "isn't that enough?" shows what level you are on. The drought is over. NO! Making the playoffs isnt enough. I want us to be playing our best football heading into the postseason. One and done isnt going to cut it. In the playoffs ONE fumble could be the difference between going home and moving on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 few things: - he is slow so guys will always get a chance to swipe at it from behind - seems to be a team problem (Josh, Devin, WRʻs) - perhaps the coaches should incorporate drills during the off season to coach up better ball protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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