Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Tell me about all the other mobile QBs that are protected at satisfactory levels. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. If he's behind the line of scrimmage scrambling or doing play action fake ("fake"="deliberately creating confusion as to whether the QB is the one with the ball", if he's doing it correctly), etc, he's not acting as a running back so he gets the same protection any QB is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. I posted 2 like stories in the Lamar thread I thought the whining was funny cry me a river. ***** about bad ref calls ***** about targeting his legs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I mean, what exactly do they want? Lamar was complaining cause he felt teams were targeting his thighs (specifically his quad, which has been hurt). Thighs are legal targeting areas, and players know better than to try to body tackle him cause he's slippery and will leave them embarrassed. if they drive for his thighs they have a good chance to taking him down. This is just stupid. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 He's a running back who throws it sometimes. Lay the wood on him. 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 We'll only do this from now on Earl... 4 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Kind of like how Murphy was flagged for a hit that was legal (thigh) until Jackson tried to break the tackle causing Murphy’s arms to slide down Jackson’s legs? Is that what he’s complaining about? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I've said it before, at 214 LBS he won't last long in the NFL, Baltimore should enjoy him while he is healthy 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 In his first presser of the season after week 1, he said "not bad for a running back." Talking about his first performance. He said it himself. He's a running back, so "F" him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: I've said it before, at 214 LBS he won't last long in the NFL, Baltimore should enjoy him while he is healthy Baltimore seems thoroughly happy using, abusing, and losing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. So long as he’s ok with opposing QBs getting the same, which he didn’t seem to agree with on Sunday. 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Baltimore seems thoroughly happy using, abusing, and losing him. The joke will be on them if he’s hurt and RG3 has to play and stay on the field. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: In his first presser of the season after week 1, he said "not bad for a running back." Talking about his first performance. He said it himself. He's a running back, so "F" him. Bruh, this was very obviously him taking a shot at people who said he wasn't a QB, after throwing for like 350 yards and a bunch of TDs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 I have about as much respect for Earl Thomas as I do Micheal Bennett, Richard Sherman, and Eric Reid. Which is to say none. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Plano said: He's a running back who throws it sometimes. Lay the wood on him. A RB who has thrown for more TD's than any QB in the NFL this year? 5 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: In his first presser of the season after week 1, he said "not bad for a running back." Talking about his first performance. He said it himself. He's a running back, so "F" him. WOW! Nothing gets past you, my man,. Good pick up... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Also, as a slightly off topic question: Has anyone had a worse season than Mason Rudolph? Step 1: Replace a Hall of Famer but you get no weapons and you also suck as a QB. Step 2: Suck horribly as a QB. Step 3: Get knocked the F out and miss time. Step 4: Come back and almost get murdered on National TV. Step 5: Continue to suck as a QB. Step 6: Get replaced by backup with a comic book name. A lot of suffering right there... Only matched by Chris Trappaso and his historically bad take about Rudolph being the best QB in the 18 class.... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 What am I missing? The dude gets PF penalties called in his favor every week. Josh Allen got hit in the head while sliding by 2 Cowboy defenders and it drew a "warning" for Dallas. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 18 minutes ago, arcane said: Bruh, this was very obviously him taking a shot at people who said he wasn't a QB, after throwing for like 350 yards and a bunch of TDs. I understand completely where he was going with that statement. To this day, he's still viewed more for the damage he can do on the ground versus the air. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Lamar Jackson seems to be on your mind quite a bit. Starting to think you're one of those people bothered by his success and praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I mean, what exactly do they want? Lamar was complaining cause he felt teams were targeting his thighs (specifically his quad, which has been hurt). Thighs are legal targeting areas, and players know better than to try to body tackle him cause he's slippery and will leave them embarrassed. if they drive for his thighs they have a good chance to taking him down. This is just stupid. I know, right! Flags are thrown if you hit a QB high, they're thrown if you hit him low so it really doesn't leave much body to tackle other than waist/thighs. Edited December 11, 2019 by pop gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Fans and Players: We need to protect QB's more NFL: Low hits on the QB in the pocket are a penalty NFL: High hits on the QB are a penalty (I think these are called and enforced very well tbh) Now players: When the QB is out of the pocket, they shouldn't hit his legs. wait, what? where do we tackle them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 If the ball fake is that good, then the hits should/will be that hard. Fair is fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: I understand completely where he was going with that statement. To this day, he's still viewed more for the damage he can do on the ground versus the air. Credit ESPN for that. Only showing his running highlights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, HOUSE said: I've said it before, at 214 LBS he won't last long in the NFL, Baltimore should enjoy him while he is healthy Yep, exactly right. 5 hours ago, whatdrought said: Baltimore seems thoroughly happy using, abusing, and losing him. I really do think they are in the mode of getting what they can out of him and then moving on. Brought in the perfect OC to play to his strengths. Baltimore isn’t worried about what happens to Lamar physically in 3 years from now, they hope they have a Lombardi trophy by then. Edited December 11, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. This is my take as well. If they want to run this play style then that's the risk they take. They cant expect defenders to just stand around waiting to see what happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A RB who has thrown for more TD's than any QB in the NFL this year? WOW! Nothing gets past you, my man,. Good pick up... yes, exactly what I said. move along, nothing to see here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: If he's behind the line of scrimmage scrambling or doing play action fake ("fake"="deliberately creating confusion as to whether the QB is the one with the ball", if he's doing it correctly), etc, he's not acting as a running back so he gets the same protection any QB is due. 52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A RB who has thrown for more TD's than any QB in the NFL this year? WOW! Nothing gets past you, my man,. Good pick up... So is there any particular reason you've chosen Lamar as your "opposing player to defend" this season? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 An old Frenchman I worked with said it best: “you play wid da bull, you get da horns!” Jackson wants to play like an RB, he takes the hits. If a 15 yard penalty makes him think twice the next time, it’s probably a worthy investment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Running Backs dont get extra protection. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: If he's behind the line of scrimmage scrambling or doing play action fake ("fake"="deliberately creating confusion as to whether the QB is the one with the ball", if he's doing it correctly), etc, he's not acting as a running back so he gets the same protection any QB is due. I could be wrong, I think he is more talking about Lamar running the option. Still, if a mobile QB wants to pretend like they either have the ball and are making a throw, or pretend like they are running the ball off tackle, they should be treated as if they actually have the ball. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: What am I missing? The dude gets PF penalties called in his favor every week. Josh Allen got hit in the head while sliding by 2 Cowboy defenders and it drew a "warning" for Dallas. Kind of like how they took him out of the Patriots game? Yet they want to complain about protecting Lamar? He'd be gone already if he was treated like Allen. He’s fun to watch (playing teams other than the Bills), so enjoy it while it lasts. He’s harder to catch, but easier to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 It’s been talked about a ton how he is running this much and not being hit and gets out of bounds so easy. If you are going to run and be that big of a threat and game changer you cant really complain when you do get hit. Don’t like it, Don’t run. Then you can have some of the Brady protection if you stay in the pocket. I don’t watch all his games so I don’t know maybe he has taken some questionable hits but I didn’t see anything in buffalo that was even close to out of line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Credit ESPN for that. Only showing his running highlights Because the majority of his highlights are running highlights. His passing highlights are typically 1 read quick shots where the scheme is opening them up. Nothing wrong with that, but he rarely sits back, goes through progressions, and hits tight window throws. He's winning games and is hard to stop so it's good for him and the ravens. But the argument that he's more of a runningback than a quarterback really isn't far from the truth because he's not playing the quarterback position as it has been done traditionally- No problem with changing traditions, but that's where the distinction comes in. In reality labeling him either position is narrow. Just throw an X up there beside his name and enjoy the ***** that he does which few others ever have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Once again BOO FRICKIN HOO Edited December 11, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 If you run a college style offense that puts your QB at risk then what you will get is people knocking the snot out of him every chance they get. It comes with the territory. Get used to it or change up. The better statement would be that our offensive staff needs to do more to keep Lamar Jackson out of harm's way. Shut up and play defense Earl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Lamar, if you want more protection, stay in the pocket. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001086719/article/earl-thomas-refs-need-to-protect-lamar-jackson-more Discuss. My take is that if Lamar Jackson continues to act as a running back including deliberately creating confusion as to whether or not he's the one with the ball, he needs to be able to be treated as a running back. I saw some very ticky-tack roughing calls against the 49ers when Jackson was in the pocket. No doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 You guys overstate the protection QBs get. You can hit them anywhere so long as it's not ABOVE THE SHOULDERS. Or NOT BELOW THE KNEES. Or anywhere BETWEEN THE SHOULDERS AND THE KNEES. Got it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Earl Thomas can sit and spin. Aside from that, though, what I find kind of ironic is how the media and commentary teams will praise the crap out of Lamar's amazingly amazing talent to run with the ball, yet with just about every other QB who might scramble or even get the occasional designed run you'll just hear them say, "Oh boy, his coaches sure don't want him doing that!" And then the color commentary guy: "Yeah, I can understand diving for a first down when it's late in the game and whatnot, but this guy here really puts himself at risk and you know what, it's just a darn selfish decision to do that and increase his risk for injury! If he were to miss any time, he'd really hurt his team. What a turd!" I think I've said it before... I hate the talking heads... most of them, anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, 4_kidd_4 said: If the ball fake is that good, then the hits should/will be that hard. Fair is fair. I mean the purpose of a read option is to make a player decide on you or the back. You're basically blocking them - why can't i hit you under the assumption that i thought you had the ball? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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