Bengals accuse Pats employee of videotaping their play calls

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

Even if unintentional with a great cover story, if there is any filming of the field or sidelines it is another break of league rules. Factor in that they didn't inform the league or Bengals they would be taping, and it is a serious repeat offense, no matter what the cover story is EVEN IF the cover story is true..

This could be very serious, like million dollar fines and suspensions. Then, once Krafts criminal case proceeds that could be additional censure. I'm microwaving some popcorn. This could be fun to watch.

Up thread somewhere, and written before this excuse came out, someone quoted a years old article stating they had ready made cover stories, including this very one. 

[jimmy10]

5 hours ago, BillsFanInCt74 said:

https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart everyone please read this it explains everything the pats do to cheat. Ex players coming out and ratting on them . You need to know who ernie adams is.

I’ve said before and I’ll say again: After the right people die, the world will learn so much more about the depth and breadth of New Englands’s cheating. 

[CLTbills]

6 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

Even if unintentional with a great cover story, if there is any filming of the field or sidelines it is another break of league rules. Factor in that they didn't inform the league or Bengals they would be taping, and it is a serious repeat offense, no matter what the cover story is EVEN IF the cover story is true..

This could be very serious, like million dollar fines and suspensions. Then, once Krafts criminal case proceeds that could be additional censure. I'm microwaving some popcorn. This could be fun to watch.

Honestly, what are million dollar fines going to do to an organization worth 2 billion dollars? 

 

The only way to send a message for a repeat offender is to disqualify them from playoff contention. 

[May Day 10]

Bad month for the Patriots keeps getting worse, 

 

I briefly searched for this "do your job" series, and it seems to focus on much more higher operating and interesting stuff than some pro scout mizzing around a terrible game in the rust belt scouting s 1-10 team

Edited December 10, 2019 by May Day 10

[MikeSpeed]

Cleveland gave NE permission to film? Why in the world would any team give permission to NE for anything?

[atlbillsfan1975]

The Pats already knew the punishment from the last time they cheated and got caught. 
Take away two first rounders and Suspend Belichick for coaching the first 4 weeks next year. He can coach preseason but then can’t have any contact with the team till week 5. ?

Edited December 10, 2019 by atlbillsfan1975

[Chicken Boo]

Always looking for that edge.  Almost like they want to be caught.

 

The hammer needs to come down!  It's a joke at this point.

Oh - and not a chance Goodell let's that tape see the light of day.

[JinxedBill]

Someone please put them out of my misery

Edited December 10, 2019 by JinxedBill

[Rc2catch]

Can’t pass judgement without knowing what’s actually been recorded. 
If we take what they say at face value it’s possible just a monster fine for kraft and maybe a random draft pick. I don’t think they’ll hit them that hard if the tape is what they say. 
However if we’re talking they’re filming the sideline the entire first quarter this could be a punishment like which we’ve never seen in the league. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

The Pats already knew the punishment from the last time they cheated and got caught. 
Take away two first rounders and Suspend Belichick for coaching the first 4 weeks next year. He can coach preseason but then can’t have any contact with the team till week 5. 

 

Assuming the tape is worse than they are claiming, likely punishment will be to forfeit picks as the only reasonable choice of the four.  Have a hard time justifying suspending Belichick as may not be able to prove he's the one behind it. I'm sure he was but finding evidence to that may be hard.

[Aireskoi]

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Pretty nice to just be able to dust these off and change the date ?

‘Unattended oversight’

Lost me right there. Like you knew to ask for permission from Cleveland because you had to otherwise you couldn’t get access. You didn’t ask for permission from the league or Bengal’s because they would of said no OR you can’t video the coaches and signs. 
 

Side note 

you Pats fans on here trying to defend this are unbelievable. Get out of here. You are cheaters. 
Your team is circling the drain your coach made mistakes last week that contributed to the loss. Belichick is panicking and it’s showing. 

[4merper4mer]

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But the Patriots kept doing it. In November 2006, Green Bay Packers security officials caught Matt Estrella shooting unauthorized footage at Lambeau Field. When asked what he was doing, according to notes from the Senate investigation of Spygate that had not previously been disclosed, Estrella said he was with Kraft Productions and was taping panoramic shots of the stadium. He was removed by Packers security. 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Assuming the tape is worse than they are claiming, likely punishment will be to forfeit picks as the only reasonable choice of the four.  Have a hard time justifying suspending Belichick as may not be able to prove he's the one behind it. I'm sure he was but finding evidence to that may be hard.

Oh I know it’s not reasonable. But just tired of them getting away with this stuff or slaps on the wrist. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-cameraman-reportedly-asked-to-just-delete-the-footage-bill-belichick-denies-any-involvement-235522269.html

 

This sounds familiar

In 2015, ESPN did an in-depth report on past Patriots scandals, including the infamous 2007 “Spygate” incident that saw the Patriots punished for videotaping signals of New York Jets coaches.

 

That report described a protocol for Patriots advance scouts and videographers to have ready-made excuses if they were caught by NFL security suspiciously filming footage.

From that ESPN report:

 

“During games, [Patriots video assistant Matt] Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.”

[stuvian]

ban Belichick for a year. That should get the message across

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, stuvian said:

ban Belichick for a year. That should get the message across

 

LIFE would be even stronger. 

[HOUSE]

Fines don't work with the Patriots, if the league would like to save credibility, has to be a penalty that hurts their record.

My guess is the Patriots MIGHT lose their #1 pick.

[Scott7975]

Take away what Belichick would covet most at this point. Ban him from being inducted to the HoF. 

[Doc]

Nail them to the wall. 

[BigPappy]

8 minutes ago, stuvian said:

ban Belichick for a year. That should get the message across

 Should be a lifetime ban and Kraft should get the same punishment along with a hefty fine and a loss of a few 1st round draft picks.

[aceman_16]

Pats** gonna Pats** - what's new?

[thebandit27]

Right now we're in Stage 1 of the latest Patriots****** cheating scandal: "we didn't do it"

 

Stay tuned for Stage 2: "if we did it (but we didn't), then it didn't give us any competitive advantage"

 

Followed eventually by Stage 3: "if we did it (but we didn't), and it gave us a competitive advantage (but it didn't), then everyone else is doing it too"

[Xwnyer]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

Right now we're in Stage 1 of the latest Patriots****** cheating scandal: "we didn't do it"

 

Stay tuned for Stage 2: "if we did it (but we didn't), then it didn't give us any competitive advantage"

 

Followed eventually by Stage 3: "if we did it (but we didn't), and it gave us a competitive advantage (but it didn't), then everyone else is doing it too"

wow sounds like the defense in a certain high profile activity going on

[Cripple Creek]

8 hours ago, stevewin said:

Or Budapest

What do you have against Budapest?

[RiotAct]

put ‘em in the stocks

[May Day 10]

You have on one hand, owners who are probably sick and tired of this, the patriots and their "winning streaks".  The cheating brings into question things like Atlanta winning a Superbowl, Seattle dynasty, KC going to a Superbowl last year, the Rams winning, the whole AFC getting a back seat... and the Bills should be wondering if they should have the Division and home playoff game(s) (and revenue).

 

Then you have the 'protect the shield' culture and the reflex to minimize any negative publicity.  

 

Lastly, this is (allegedly) a repeat and long term offense, going back 2 decades, and they were already let off the hook for it so to speak (probably with a verbal warning to knock it off). You also have Goodell who may have a little grudge against Kraft for making him into a villain and not cooperating in the deflated footballs violations (thus making it a much larger deal than anyone wanted).

[mikemac2001]

28 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/patriots-cameraman-reportedly-asked-to-just-delete-the-footage-bill-belichick-denies-any-involvement-235522269.html

 

This sounds familiar

In 2015, ESPN did an in-depth report on past Patriots scandals, including the infamous 2007 “Spygate” incident that saw the Patriots punished for videotaping signals of New York Jets coaches.

 

That report described a protocol for Patriots advance scouts and videographers to have ready-made excuses if they were caught by NFL security suspiciously filming footage.

From that ESPN report:

 

“During games, [Patriots video assistant Matt] Walsh later told investigators, the Patriots' videographers were told to look like media members, to tape over their team logos or turn their sweatshirt inside out, to wear credentials that said Patriots TV or Kraft Productions. The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you're filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.”

 

mermer posted this in the other thread but it’s a perfect add on 

 

But the Patriots kept doing it. In November 2006, Green Bay Packers security officials caught Matt Estrella shooting unauthorized footage at Lambeau Field. When asked what he was doing, according to notes from the Senate investigation of Spygate that had not previously been disclosed, Estrella said he was with Kraft Productions and was taping panoramic shots of the stadium. He was removed by Packers security. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, stuvian said:

ban Belichick for a year. That should get the message across

 

The 'plausible deniability' is strong for the Hoodie in this one

[mikemac2001]

26 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Fines don't work with the Patriots, if the league would like to save credibility, has to be a penalty that hurts their record.

My guess is the Patriots MIGHT lose their #1 pick.

they don’t care about picks 

 

honestly there seasons should be forfeited 

 

they become 0-16 and the teams they played keep the W or the L from the result 

 

Only way it would hurt them 

[The Jokeman]

26 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Fines don't work with the Patriots, if the league would like to save credibility, has to be a penalty that hurts their record.

My guess is the Patriots MIGHT lose their #1 pick.

Picks loss won't hurt them much either as they often trade down to acquire more picks or get picks in future drafts which they in turn trade again etc. If you're going to send a message it's to  cut out the brain of the operation. I say ban Ernie Adams from all team activities.

[Cripple Creek]

If only this information were available in another thread.  It's inconceivable that this same information is found in another thread, I mean, it's hardly a story after all.  Adding a poll was a nice touch to attempt differentiation. 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Cripple Creek

[Buffaloaf]

56 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:

I’ve said before and I’ll say again: After the right people die, the world will learn so much more about the depth and breadth of New Englands’s cheating. 

 

I've thought this myself.  Hope it comes out sooner than that.  The Patriots probably make every player/employee sign a ridiculous NDA along with their contract.

 

Really, the players wouldn't even need to know cheating was happening.  Even Brady.  To him, it may seem like the coaches are geniuses because of how quickly they can diagnose defenses and get him in the right play.  I think it was Bruschi who said they would receive the other teams audibles prior to the game.  The players don't know where they come from or the details of how they are obtained, they just do what they're told.

 

To me, this is all on Belichick, Kraft, and probably some other coaches like Adams and McDaniels.  If all these accusations can be proven true they should be banned from the NFL and Kraft should either have to sell the team or become minority owner or something.  

[Don Otreply]

None of the options presented in the poll are severe enough imo.

 

With the history of the teams owner allowing employee rules violations the organization should have to forfeit this entire season, and no playoffs for two additional seasons. After the above, the team must be sold and moved to London.

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by Don Otreply

[Dan]

Forfeiture of the remaining games this season.   Then similar to college, no postseason play for a couple years.  

 

They are a long time, repeatedly cheating franchise.   Something serious needs to be done.   Any one saying it's not that big a deal has to explain why they keep doing it time after time, knowing they shouldn't.  

[RiotAct]

9 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said:

they don’t care about picks 

 

honestly there seasons should be forfeited 

 

they become 0-16 and the teams they played keep the W or the L from the result 

 

Only way it would hurt them 

darn, then we’d have the burden of assuming the AFC East title.   I’m not sure I could handle that!

[Nanker]

They’re worried about the Bengals? The BENGALS?

[BringBackFergy]

10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

If only this information were available in another thread.  It's inconceivable that this same information is found in another thread, I mean, it's hardly a story after all.  Adding a poll was a nice touch to attempt differentiation. 

Including a Poll is an intentional attempt to avoid a “merge”. It’s akin to saying “I’m filming for a documentary for a movie “Do Your Job”. Clearly a mirror thread after @YoloinOhio has a perfectly good thread which includes all this same information. 

[somnus00]

Of course Belichick is still cheating.

 

Though I wouldn't put it past him that he did this to light a fire under the team. Spygate motivated the team to an undefeated season. He's willing to pay any fine for another Lombardi.

 

Having said that. He deserves the Pete Rose treatment. Enough is enough.  

[PromoTheRobot]

59 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

Always looking for that edge.  Almost like they want to be caught.

 

The hammer needs to come down!  It's a joke at this point.

Oh - and not a chance Goodell let's that tape see the light of day.

 

And now that they are in decline, they need that extra edge. Glad they got caught this week instead of next. They are repeat offenders and Goodell should drop the hammer on them for once, but he won't.

4 minutes ago, Nanker said:

They’re worried about the Bengals? The BENGALS?

 

That's how far they have fallen.