Dkollidas Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Miami is bad. Terribly bad. But I think we saw today that what this team needs more than anything is a game breaker on offense. Brown is a really nice piece. He’s a borderline #1 right now. Singletary may just become a talented lead back who can make place running and receiving. Beasley is solid in the slot. Knox has had his drops and miscues, but overall seems to be progressing. The O-Line as a whole seems to be properly gelling. The defense has been spectacular. And it seems they may have addressed the run problem with Liuget (or at least helped limit it). The only real concern for the defense is edge pressure, which has been decent, but unspectacular. But even so, they manage to manufacture pressure while limiting their blitzing. To me the main piece we still need is a legit #1 receiver. Hopefully they do it in the draft, and get a young player that can develop alongside Allen. If they do manage to get him a legit #1 WR, I think he, and his numbers, and the offense and team as a whole, would benefit moreso than any addition to the team. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 His name was Robert Foster. His name was Robert Foster. His name was Robert Foster. 2 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Clockwork said: His name was Robert Foster. His name was Robert Foster. His name was Robert Foster. We need a good WR though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Have you ever seen Fight Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 They have enough to win now. Just keep developing the tight ends and try to get a few more throws to Beasley 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: We need a good WR though Don’t think people realize just how good he was after coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Next year... Lets be thankful for Brown in the meantime... he has been great.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: They have enough to win now. Just keep developing the tight ends and try to get a few more throws to Beasley This. I think Kroft needs to be involved more in the game plan. Having 1-2 targets for him is not very positive. Having Brown, Beasley, Knox and Kroft on the field along with Singletary can do a whole lot of good for this offense. This way they can also keep DeMarco off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Look no further than the excellent WR class of 2020 coming up. Two names to look out for who should be in the Bills plans are: Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 6-2 225 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota 6-2 205 Both are blue chip prospects and one of them should be available at 32 ?. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Dkollidas said: Miami is bad. Terribly bad. But I think we saw today that what this team needs more than anything is a game breaker on offense. Brown is a really nice piece. He’s a borderline #1 right now. Singletary may just become a talented lead back who can make place running and receiving. Beasley is solid in the slot. Knox has had his drops and miscues, but overall seems to be progressing. The O-Line as a whole seems to be properly gelling. The defense has been spectacular. And it seems they may have addressed the run problem with Liuget (or at least helped limit it). The only real concern for the defense is edge pressure, which has been decent, but unspectacular. But even so, they manage to manufacture pressure while limiting their blitzing. To me the main piece we still need is a legit #1 receiver. Hopefully they do it in the draft, and get a young player that can develop alongside Allen. If they do manage to get him a legit #1 WR, I think he, and his numbers, and the offense and team as a whole, would benefit moreso than any addition to the team. This has been known for a long time....like at least since last April. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Allen needs another target What? Oh, my Gosh! I can't believe nobody's thought of this before!!! It seems so obvious in retrospect, and yet until you came up with this idea, nobody had ever thought of this or said anything even remotely similar. I hope that was sarcastic enough. And as for Brown not being a borderline #1, that's utter nonsense. You can say he's not a "true #1" as some people seem to call the top 6 or 7 guys in the league, but he's absolutely a #1, and there's not the slightest doubt about it. He's 8th in yards in the league, for Christ's sake, he's 15th in receptions, and that's with Josh Allen throwing to him, on a team that has the 7th lowest passing percentage in the league. He's absolutely a number one, there's absolutely nothing borderline about it. Edited November 18, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mannc Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. Whether Brown is a 1 or not, Josh still badly needs another receiving weapon, or two. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. Brown has been outstanding. I have been impressed with his ability to run the whole route tree - I knew he was a crisp route runner but I wasn't sure how many routes he really ran. I still think he is a borderline #1 actually not because of anything he is doing but because of how other teams are defending him. He isn't yet dictating coverages to opponents. Maybe he should be - because he keeps burning them.... but the true top level number 1s dictate coverages creating opportunities for others and are still able to make plays themselves. If Brown shows he can do that then he earns that title. Will be interested to see how some of the "better" defences we play in this next stretch defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frez Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 What happened to Duke Williams? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 31 minutes ago, Frez said: What happened to Duke Williams? No idea healthy scratch last few weeks after what looked like production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Clockwork said: Have you ever seen Fight Club? Shhh... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoboTronic Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He has one very nice target at least: http://www.nfl.com/videos/buffalo-bills/0ap3000001078190/Track-all-34-7-fantasy-points-from-John-Brown-in-Week-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 yeah they'll get one in the offseason. I think they'll improve the roster in several positions during the offseason, just as McBeanes have done since day 1. its all a process. keep improving the roster, keep the coaching and the schemes intact, build continuity with high calibre, solid character players, and wins will follow. pretty simple process, i would imagine most teams not coached by Rex Ryan or managed by Buddy Nix at least say they try to do this. Just now, ProcessTruster said: yeah they'll get one in the offseason. I think they'll improve the roster in several positions during the offseason, just as McBeanes have done since day 1. no chasing shiny objects , save your cap space to sign your own guys, etc. its all a process. keep improving the roster, keep the coaching and the schemes intact, build continuity with high calibre, solid character players that you re-sign, and wins will follow. pretty simple process, i would imagine most teams not coached by Rex Ryan or managed by Buddy Nix at least say they try to do this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: yeah they'll get one in the offseason. I think they'll improve the roster in several positions during the offseason, just as McBeanes have done since day 1. its all a process. keep improving the roster, keep the coaching and the schemes intact, build continuity with high calibre, solid character players, and wins will follow. pretty simple process, i would imagine most teams not coached by Rex Ryan or managed by Buddy Nix at least say they try to do this. Yeah. We still need a starting power RB, a starting CB, 3rd WR who can stretch the field, two on the OL, two on the DL and rushing LB (due to Alexander retiring after this season)...May be a kicker too Edited November 18, 2019 by ganesh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 hours ago, StHustle said: Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. The whole number 1 thing drives me nuts. We just need a guy that can make contested catches and compliment brown by requiring double teams some of the time. Simple. So I'm with you. Duke only faster would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Yep. Beane should have went harder after Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I completely agree and expect a WR to be taken very early in April. Brown has been great. We need one more WR target that Josh trusts like he and Bease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I'm sure WR will be a priority in the offseason. As many have stated, the upcoming draft class is being touted as one of the best ever. We should be able to get a really good one late in the first round. For this season, I think we have enough talent to put some points on the board. Personally, I would like to see them use Cole Beasley as more of a short yardage guy, instead of downfield routes. Too much Isaiah McKenzie on the outside, and give Robert Foster/Duke Williams more chances to make plays in that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Dkollidas said: Miami is bad. Terribly bad. But I think we saw today that what this team needs more than anything is a game breaker on offense. Brown is a really nice piece. He’s a borderline #1 right now. Singletary may just become a talented lead back who can make place running and receiving. Beasley is solid in the slot. Knox has had his drops and miscues, but overall seems to be progressing. The O-Line as a whole seems to be properly gelling. The defense has been spectacular. And it seems they may have addressed the run problem with Liuget (or at least helped limit it). The only real concern for the defense is edge pressure, which has been decent, but unspectacular. But even so, they manage to manufacture pressure while limiting their blitzing. To me the main piece we still need is a legit #1 receiver. Hopefully they do it in the draft, and get a young player that can develop alongside Allen. If they do manage to get him a legit #1 WR, I think he, and his numbers, and the offense and team as a whole, would benefit moreso than any addition to the team. They need to target a veteran stud WR in FA or trade AND draft one early(first 3 rounds). It's too late in "The Process" and Brown and Beasley are too old to just draft one and hope that he doesn't need a redshirt season like Ed Oliver or Cody Ford or any number of early picks. We were fortunate that Jordan Phillips is having a breakout season for the Bills otherwise the Ed Oliver/Kyle Williams replacement dynamic would stand as a very recent reminder about expecting high draft picks to immediately fill a need at a very high level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont Stop Billeiving Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, njbuff said: Look no further than the excellent WR class of 2020 coming up. Two names to look out for who should be in the Bills plans are: Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 6-2 225 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota 6-2 205 Both are blue chip prospects and one of them should be available at 32 ?. Like what you did there... Both guys you mentioned are great prospects and fit our need for a bigger WR who can elevate, provide a large catch radius, and win contested 50/50 balls. If I can add a name to your list, I'd suggest Chase Claypool (WR- Notre Dame). He's a physical specimen at 6'4" 229 lbs and has 9 TDs in ten games this year. He's limited by somewhat average QB play but has made huge plays when targeted and has been described that your usual 50/50 balls are more like 80/20 in his favor. Probably a guy we could get in the 2nd or 3rd and would provide Josh with a big target who can still separate and beat the man across from him consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, StHustle said: Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. He's putting up #1 like number this season. But to remove the "borderline" reference, needs to happen more than one season. Having said that I'd be fine with them signing another Brown like talented player and have two borderline #1 guys out there. Based on where the team is right now overall, think I'd rather see them bring in an experienced guy to start next year as a legit #2 and draft a guy too, but maybe in the 2nd or 3rd. Receivers like Brown are usually available as FA. IMO a bigger need than a WR is a pass rushing DE in the 1st round and likely a offensive tackle in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Don’t worry... Two Bills Drive legend Duke Williams is waiting to pounce. McDermott just waiting to break out the best WR ever to play in Buffalo for the right moment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Supposed to be a strong we draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Do The Reich Thing Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Tylan Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Brown is definitely having a good season Add a big talented WR that wins 50/50 balls (see Mike Evans) and this offense would be scary good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 John Brown leads the AFC in receiving yards. Kelce can catch him tonight but the Chiefs have not had a bye this week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Don’t worry... Two Bills Drive legend Duke Williams is waiting to pounce. McDermott just waiting to break out the best WR ever to play in Buffalo for the right moment. Saving him for the playoffs they do not want anyone to see this secret weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Clockwork said: Have you ever seen Fight Club? ? we don’t talk about the Fight Club !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 brown is a stud, but i agree we need another target. some size and speed, the 2008 prototypical guy would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 hours ago, njbuff said: Look no further than the excellent WR class of 2020 coming up. Two names to look out for who should be in the Bills plans are: Laviska Shenault WR Colorado 6-2 225 Tyler Johnson WR Minnesota 6-2 205 Both are blue chip prospects and one of them should be available at 32 ?. https://und.com/roster/chase-claypool/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: We were fortunate that Jordan Phillips is having a breakout season for the Bills otherwise the Ed Oliver/Kyle Williams replacement dynamic would stand as a very recent reminder about expecting high draft picks to immediately fill a need at a very high level. I think that was kind of the point though. Did they expect Phillips to be as good as he has? Maybe not. But they signed him to make sure that the position wasn't a "need" in the way the Bills have had in the past when letting players walk. They had a guy who played reasonably well for them down the stretch last year in situ and then they took the best guy on their board. I think they deserve some credit for that. It was a better approach than has been taken by some past regimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 So, we need a WR1. Hmmm....haven't heard that one before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanMike Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 hours ago, StHustle said: Please tell me how Brown is "borderline" #1 right now? The man is on pace for 1300 yards in a sub par offense lead by a QB who has never even hot the 300 yard mark in his career. There is nothing borderline about that. He leads the NFL with consecutive 50+ yard games. Think about that for a second. He was known as a field stretcher before he got here but because Josh lost his deep ball this season, Brown has proven he can do it all BESIDES be a 50/50 type receiver because of his size. So again, how is he borderline? Because of his size? I often see people around here reluctant to call Brown a #1 but never give a valid reason. I think Brown is a great receiver. If we could get one of our receivers to be a legit #2 I think this offense would be humming. I hope Robert Foster comes into his own again like last year. That would take a lot of pressure off of our offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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