mykidsdad Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The conversation gets interesting around 1:05. I think we have a lot to prove still, but I like where we are. (Personally, the Texans are probably better than us right now, but it isn't crazy to think the Bills are 3 in the AFC.) Wow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Not really. But we have an awesome D that will keep us in every game. If they don’t have bad turnovers, they will be tough to beat. But we need a more consistent offense to be considered a legit top team. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 You know I was thinking this morning, are the Bills Super Bowl contenders? And it didn't sound all that crazy in my mind. Which isn't to say we are one of the Super Bowl favorites, or even in that conversation. But right now I don't see any team in the league we can't compete with. I thought the Chiefs were running away with it this year but now I'm not sure. Everyone looks beatable. If we make it to the playoffs, and I believe we will, anything is possible. 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dous21 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) We are nowhere near them right now. Cheifs and Pats will start separating from the pack by late November. next year? Sure if this defense doesn't collapse and Allen improves. but as of now we are still a team learning how to win. Our defense is bound to have a few off games this season and when that happens will Allen be able to bail them out? Edited October 7, 2019 by dous21 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Shame this wasnt being discussed in another thread. Maybe its just me, but 2 threads about Kay?? THAT would make the bye week imo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: Please look at the GMFB Love thread. This was covered hours ago. ? ? ? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 INcredible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The Bills are a legit playoff contender but not elite yet. Though, the Chiefs are deeply flawed and not a balanced team. If the Bills make the playoffs (which I fully expect), they will be a team nobody wants to face. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, HappyDays said: You know I was thinking this morning, are the Bills Super Bowl contenders? And it didn't sound all that crazy in my mind. Which isn't to say we are one of the Super Bowl favorites, or even in that conversation. But right now I don't see any team in the league we can't compete with. I thought the Chiefs were running away with it this year but now I'm not sure. Everyone looks beatable. If we make it to the playoffs, and I believe we will, anything is possible. Saw a list of the teams in some tweet or whatever before the game with the Bills below the Pats and Chiefs. What came to mind was there wasn't a team behind them that I couldn't see them being able to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 No, not even close, to put it bluntly. Those teams have elite QB's that win them games...we have a QB that holds us back. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) We're not even close to those guys. The problem with relying on a good defense, is that eventually they're going to have a bad game(s). At that point you need an offense capable of scoring at will to pull you through those situations. We have a Buffalo Classic offense that we can count on for a cool 10-17 points a game, and that type of jauron-ball just isn't going to get it done over the long haul. We need players and play-calling capable of racking up 1 play TDs when we need them. Very happy we're 4-1, but we aren't beating the league's best out there. Edited October 7, 2019 by BullBuchanan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JustWinPlease said: No, not even close, to put it bluntly. Those teams have elite QB's that win them games...we have a QB that holds us back. You mean, the guy who just started his 16th NFL game? The guy who was 17/21 in the first half, with 2 throw aways and 2 drops? I don’t know how this will turn out, but his ceiling is ridiculous. I’m optimistic. I was just about to wonder where all the “realists” were! ? . Edited October 7, 2019 by Augie 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, dous21 said: We are nowhere near them right now. Cheifs and Pats will start separating from the pack by late November. next year? Sure if this defense doesn't collapse and Allen improves. but as of now we are still a team learning how to win. Our defense is bound to have a few off games this season and when that happens will Allen be able to bail them out? Nowhere near them? Colts just beat the Chiefs. Bills lost last weekend to the Pats by 6 points in a game where they scored a a Td on a blocked punt and our starting QB threw 3 interceptions. Not to mention Allen getting knocked out of the game for the entire 4th quarter after seemingly starting to figure things out. The Bills might be #3 in the AFC, but it's not a distant 3rd. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) The Patriots and Chiefs are lucky to be included in comparisons with the Bills Edited October 7, 2019 by HOUSE 2 5 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, dous21 said: We are nowhere near them right now. Cheifs and Pats will start separating from the pack by late November. next year? Sure if this defense doesn't collapse and Allen improves. but as of now we are still a team learning how to win. Our defense is bound to have a few off games this season and when that happens will Allen be able to bail them out? Teams, including the Pats and Chiefs will separate, but only because a boatload of them are rushing to the bottom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The league is very muddled these days. Few teams at the top, few at the bottom and a ton in the middle. The teams in the middle can change really fast. Sometimes due to injuries and sometimes for no reason at all. Bottom is clearly - MIA, NYJ, WAS Next Bottom - CIN, DEN, AZ The Closer to Bottom than top - OAK, ATL, PIT, NYG, TEN, TB, CAR, IND, JAC The Closer to Top than Bottom - HOU, MIN, BAL, SEA, CLE, LAC, BUF, DET, SF, GB, LAR, PHI, CHI, DAL, NO The Top - NE, KC Luckily for Bills this season we play 7 games against the bottom of the league. So we can split the remaining 9 games vs mid to better teams and still finish with 11-12 wins. This is the season that anyone could wind up in the AFC title game. Its a year to take advantage of. I do think we are below the Chiefs and Pats, but I when you have a good defense you can make anything happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 NE scoring 31ppg, allowing 6.8. Bills scoring 18 ppg (26th), allowing 14. There isn't much of a comparison yet. Maybe later in the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: NE scoring 31ppg, allowing 6.8. Bills scoring 18 ppg (26th), allowing 14. There isn't much of a comparison yet. Maybe later in the season. How bout once we play MIA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: How bout once we play MIA or the Redskins and can we get a shot at the jets with one of their wings missing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Pats are better. They are dynasty, their players and coaches have experience of big wins. Chiefs haven't won anything. I thought they're extra strong this season. But they lost home game to Indy. So they are in the same league as our Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 The Bills have had a lot of luck on their side to be 4-1 right now. They needed 4th quarter comebacks to beat 2 winless teams (Jets & Bengals), and needed 4 missed FGs and 2 called back TDs to beat the Titans. The reason they don't get put in the same category as the Pats and Chiefs is that even though they have the same wins, they aren't beating teams convincingly. The Pats and Chiefs and other teams are beating the bad teams like they should, and doing it by a bunch of points. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDubills Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 If the ball can bounce our way a couple times, and we can come up with some turnovers on D. I like our offenses chance to capitalize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) If we can start finishing more drives, then yes we can be in the same category. Our defense is championship level but our offense isn’t there yet. Edited October 8, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: There isn't much of a comparison yet. Maybe later in the season. They beat us by 6 points in a game where our QB played just terrible and then left the game with an injury. Yeah we could beat them in one game in the playoffs. We wouldn't be the favorites but it's within reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The Bills have had a lot of luck on their side to be 4-1 right now. They needed 4th quarter comebacks to beat 2 winless teams (Jets & Bengals), and needed 4 missed FGs and 2 called back TDs to beat the Titans. The reason they don't get put in the same category as the Pats and Chiefs is that even though they have the same wins, they aren't beating teams convincingly. The Pats and Chiefs and other teams are beating the bad teams like they should, and doing it by a bunch of points. ???? The called back TDs last week were absolutely legitimate penalties. That’s not “luck”, that’s the rulebook. 4th-quarter game winning drives aren’t luck, either. Cmon, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Not yet, but the season is young Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Our team is built to win in the playoffs. Great defense; strong line play; clutch late-game offense by the QB. I think we will have a chance to win every game this year. Will just have to keep making big plays late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Josh Allen scores when the team needs him to...I have no doubt if the Titans made those FG’s, JA would have led the team back, because that is when he is at his best. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, JaCrispy said: Josh Allen scores when the team needs him to...I have no doubt if the Titans made those FG’s, JA would have led the team back, because that is when he is at his best. ? I mean the game ended with them well within FG range with a full set of downs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, RiotAct said: ???? The called back TDs last week were absolutely legitimate penalties. That’s not “luck”, that’s the rulebook. 4th-quarter game winning drives aren’t luck, either. Cmon, man. They were lucky in that if he throws the ball a second earlier its a good TD, and they were lucky his knee hit when it did because it was also very close to being a good TD. 2 games were won because the others team kicker could hit a FG to save his life. 4th quarter comebacks are great, but the reason you don't see teams like the Chiefs and Patriots with many of them is because they put the game away before the 4th because they have scored enough during the previous 3 quarters to win the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ngbills said: The league is very muddled these days. Few teams at the top, few at the bottom and a ton in the middle. The teams in the middle can change really fast. Sometimes due to injuries and sometimes for no reason at all. Bottom is clearly - MIA, NYJ, WAS Next Bottom - CIN, DEN, AZ The Closer to Bottom than top - OAK, ATL, PIT, NYG, TEN, TB, CAR, IND, JAC The Closer to Top than Bottom - HOU, MIN, BAL, SEA, CLE, LAC, BUF, DET, SF, GB, LAR, PHI, CHI, DAL, NO The Top - NE, KC Luckily for Bills this season we play 7 games against the bottom of the league. So we can split the remaining 9 games vs mid to better teams and still finish with 11-12 wins. This is the season that anyone could wind up in the AFC title game. Its a year to take advantage of. I do think we are below the Chiefs and Pats, but I when you have a good defense you can make anything happen. Guess you missed SNF last night. The Chiefs got exposed. I’d love the Bills chances against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: They were lucky in that if he throws the ball a second earlier its a good TD, and they were lucky his knee hit when it did because it was also very close to being a good TD. 2 games were won because the others team kicker could hit a FG to save his life. 4th quarter comebacks are great, but the reason you don't see teams like the Chiefs and Patriots with many of them is because they put the game away before the 4th because they have scored enough during the previous 3 quarters to win the game. He couldn’t throw it earlier because the player wasn’t open yet. If he throws it earlier the way he threw it, it’s probably picked off. Could be wrong but that’s how I saw it yesterday at the game and on the replay at the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: The Bills have had a lot of luck on their side to be 4-1 right now. They needed 4th quarter comebacks to beat 2 winless teams (Jets & Bengals), and needed 4 missed FGs and 2 called back TDs to beat the Titans. The reason they don't get put in the same category as the Pats and Chiefs is that even though they have the same wins, they aren't beating teams convincingly. The Pats and Chiefs and other teams are beating the bad teams like they should, and doing it by a bunch of points. They are not in the same league as those teams. But they are winning close games despite losing the TO battle every week. Last year they won early way on the lopsided end of turnovers. If they start generating turnovers, look out. Edited October 8, 2019 by Sundancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: How bout once we play MIA Play them twice in fact. Point is, while the Defenses are comparable, the offenses are not. They just aren't. You play the teams teams you play. And you need to crush the bad teams if they are on your schedule. 42 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They beat us by 6 points in a game where our QB played just terrible and then left the game with an injury. Yeah we could beat them in one game in the playoffs. We wouldn't be the favorites but it's within reason. Again, maybe. But this Offense needs to be 2 orders of magnitude better than it is now to be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Play them twice in fact. Point is, while the Defenses are comparable, the offenses are not. They just aren't. You play the teams teams you play. And you need to crush the bad teams if they are on your schedule Point being, answering OP are the Bills and Pats comparable: I say yes, yes they are. Notwithstanding statistics skewed by early/outlier results...these two teams played once, game was even, Bills covered. If h2h is any indication they are definitely in the same conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: NE scoring 31ppg, allowing 6.8. Bills scoring 18 ppg (26th), allowing 14. There isn't much of a comparison yet. Maybe later in the season. What’s the Delta here Miami and Washington. Two of the 3 or 4 worst teams in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: You know I was thinking this morning, are the Bills Super Bowl contenders? And it didn't sound all that crazy in my mind. Which isn't to say we are one of the Super Bowl favorites, or even in that conversation. But right now I don't see any team in the league we can't compete with. I thought the Chiefs were running away with it this year but now I'm not sure. Everyone looks beatable. If we make it to the playoffs, and I believe we will, anything is possible. Its why I kept beating the drum to make a big splash at WR our DE. If you think Allen and McDermott are remotely “the guys” we are in a roughly 3 year window of huge advantage and would hate to see them leave anything untried or waste a year without pushing the chips in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, ngbills said: The Closer to Bottom than top - OAK, ATL, PIT, NYG, TEN, TB, CAR, IND, JAC The COLTS closer to the bottom? Did you even watch last night's game? ❓❓❓❓❓❓ No way in hell. The Colts will be battling us for a playoff spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, SF Bills Fan said: The Bills are a legit playoff contender but not elite yet. Though, the Chiefs are deeply flawed and not a balanced team. If the Bills make the playoffs (which I fully expect), they will be a team nobody wants to face. Yeah I was looking at the standings earlier figuring out who was going to be the unlucky 4th seed, the worst of the best if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: Our team is built to win in the playoffs. Great defense; strong line play; clutch late-game offense by the QB. I think we will have a chance to win every game this year. Will just have to keep making big plays late. The biggest issue would be not winning the division. Until we are the best in the division it’s an uphill road Having to go on the road to win 4 games is VERY tough and don’t think we are there yet on offense. But if Allen got hot, no reason to think this team absolutely couldn’t be like the flacco led ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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