YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 i haven’t seen where he was asked about it. It’s one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Does anyone have a valid reason as to why he made that decision? Btw Santos missed 3 FGs before that. 1 was blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 My gf is from Canada, first year watching football before and she said the same damn thing to me. 'Whatd he miss from like 35'ish a few times? Why wouldn't they go for it?' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 No way he could miss 4 in a row. Kick It! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Meat Head makes another awful decision. You go for it or punt and hope to flip the field. You don't send out a guy who has been rocky at best and hope he somehow hits a 53 yarder, which isn't a gimme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 The theory is that vrabel did it so he could blame the loss on the kicker 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The theory is that vrabel did it so he could blame the loss on the kicker I was actually thinking that also. Even if he makes it they still need a TD. Makes no sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: i haven’t seen where he was asked about it. It’s one of the worst calls I’ve ever seen. Does anyone have a valid reason as to why he made that decision? Btw Santos missed 3 FGs before that. 1 was blocked. Yeah, that was a very very puzzling call. I thought, in the weather conditions, the initial 50 yd or whatever it was was also a questionable call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 HIs inner Minshew told him to kick the FG. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipUPride Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I thought about this during the game, and while I do not believe that he thought this deeply, there is a level of logic in letting this guy kick the field goal. They were down by 7, knowing that they needed a TD and an Extra Point to tie, the kicker had the potential of being on the field to tie the score at the end of the game to send it to OT. Even if he missed the field goal, there was a chance that they could still score a TD and you would need the kicker to tie it up. Maybe he wanted to let him "get right" on a FG, instead of on the necessary extra point. I dunno. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I took it as vrabel conceding the game but gave santos an opportunity to save his job. Like make it you keep your job miss you're gonna be cut Very strange not to go for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 he was trying to be Belichickian and pull a miracle out of his *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: I took it as vrabel conceding the game but gave santos an opportunity to save his job. Like make it you keep your job miss you're gonna be cut Very strange not to go for it I can’t even imagine conceding the game at that point, down 7 with what, over 3 min to go. I am sure he didn’t trust his offense to get the 1st down but you have Derrick Henry for a reason and only need 4 yards and sure as hell cant trust the kicker at that point eith the length of the FG, wind, field conditions. Baffling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It was the wrong call, period. We should send him Christmas cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I think it was a bad choice, but I suppose you could justify it because you still need a touchdown either way, but without the 3 points you need a TD to tie and with the 3 points you need a TD to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chandemonium said: I think it was a bad choice, but I suppose you could justify it because you still need a touchdown either way, but without the 3 points you need a TD to tie and with the 3 points you need a TD to win. If it was just a regular FG, like where your kicker hadn’t already missed 3 (one blocked) and it wasn’t 50+ I could see that but 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 57 minutes ago, Fixxxer said: HIs inner Minshew told him to kick the FG. He looks and sounds like a total meathead. And, based on what Yolo has said about him actually being one, I'm completely convinced now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 59 minutes ago, dubs said: Even if he makes it they still need a TD. Makes no sense. That’s what makes it so stupid. FG really doesn’t help them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Yep. Even if his kicker hadn't missed 3 it was the wrong call. They needed a touchdown.... in order of likelyhood to get that: 1. Go for it and convert 4th down 2. Punt and pin the Bills inside their own 10 giving you field position advantage 3. Kick the FG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Take Santos’ bad day out of it. They needed a TD before they kicked the field goal, and even if Santos made the field goal they would still need, wait for it..... a TD. Horrible call. His brain just nutted up there on the sideline. The Titans were across midfield, time was running out, it was 4th and 4, not 4th and 20. The only play there was to try to get a 1st down and continue the drive for a TD. Three points did nothing for them there. Edited October 7, 2019 by Inigo Montoya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: My gf is from Canada, first year watching football before and she said the same damn thing to me. 'Whatd he miss from like 35'ish a few times? Why wouldn't they go for it?' I couldn't believe it either... but I was happy they tried to kick it because I knew there was no chance he makes it. Not that Santos is a bad kicker... but his psyche was f***ed at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) “I have confidence in him,” was Vrabel’s explanation. “I felt like the way the defense was playing, to be able to win the game, we’d get the ball back and score a touchdown to win it.” My question: "What had your offense done up to that point against our defense that gave you confidence you would score another TD?" Edited October 7, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I wasn’t impressed with Vrabel when he was on the Hard Knocks with Houston. Yesterday did little to change my impression of him. The decision to kick it was comical. People around us in the stadium were dying laughing before the kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, matter2003 said: “I have confidence in him,” was Vrabel’s explanation. “I felt like the way the defense was playing, to be able to win the game, we’d get the ball back and score a touchdown to win it.” My question: "What had your offense done up to that point against our defense that gave you confidence you would score another TD?" And, if he did, in fact, have that much confidence his offense could score a TD, then why not leave them on the field to, you know, score a TD? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 What I didn't understand is you are down by 7 with under 7 minutes left to play. Even if you make the FG, you're down by 4, you still need a TD to win. WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 This is an easy one. He had zero confidence in his offense to move the ball down the field. Against our defense, they were struggling to get 1st downs. Did he make the right call? I actually think so. He knew his chances of getting a 1st down was slim, so he took the chance of just putting points on the board with plenty of time left on the clock. Titans defense was playing pretty well all game as well. He trusts his defense more than his offense, so his logic was that his defense would be able to stop us with his offense having enough time for one last drive to either win (if they made the FG) or tie the game and send it to OT. But of course our offense prevailed and didn't give them that chance. In a close defensive battle, he would've gotten ridiculed no matter what decision he made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: This is an easy one. He had zero confidence in his offense to move the ball down the field. Against our defense, they were struggling to get 1st downs. Did he make the right call? I actually think so. He knew his chances of getting a 1st down was slim, so he took the chance of just putting points on the board with plenty of time left on the clock. Titans defense was playing pretty well all game as well. He trusts his defense more than his offense, so his logic was that his defense would be able to stop us with his offense having enough time for one last drive to either win (if they made the FG) or tie the game and send it to OT. But of course our offense prevailed and didn't give them that chance. In a close defensive battle, he would've gotten ridiculed no matter what decision he made. Except his defense pulled a 2012 Bills move where they mostly held teams in check all day until the game was on the line and then they allowed 3 straight first down runs to basically let the other team ice the game and never get the ball back. He would have gotten far less ridicule by trying to tie the game late in the 4th quarter instead of: 1) Trying to kick a FG which still leaves them needing a TD with not that much time on the clock 2) Letting a kicker who has already missed 3 FG's try a long FG that gives the Bills great field position if he misses again 3) Thinking they are going to drive the entire length of the field against the Bills D and score a TD if they get the ball back -- something they had not done all day long. Their only points came on a short field after the INT when they started at the Bills 38 yard line. Edited October 7, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I mean he had to think his guy would hit one right? guy needs to bury those cleats somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yeah, that was a very very puzzling call. I thought, in the weather conditions, the initial 50 yd or whatever it was was also a questionable call. Rain saturated natural grass, raining at the time of the kick... he had the leg for it too, just tough out there. 4th and a long 4 is tough though, especially with how many drops and just poorly located passes they had all game long. 4 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Except his defense pulled a 2012 Bills move where they mostly held teams in check all day until the game was on the line and then they allowed 3 straight first down runs to basically let the other team ice the game and never get the ball back. He would have gotten far less ridicule by trying to tie the game late in the 4th quarter instead of: 1) Trying to kick a FG which still leaves them needing a TD with not that much time on the clock 2) Letting a kicker who has already missed 3 FG's try a long FG that gives the Bills great field position if he misses again 3) Thinking they are going to drive the entire length of the field against the Bills D and score a TD if they get the ball back -- something they had not done all day long. Their only points came on a short field after the INT when they started at the Bills 38 yard line. Yeah - sometimes that 2 minute defense is a teams Achilles heel though. They play off, give up tons of free yards and get you in position to have a couple shots inside 25 yards. You make the FG and kick off... you force the 3 and out and its about 2 minutes left and you have the ball at the 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: If it was just a regular FG, like where your kicker hadn’t already missed 3 (one blocked) and it wasn’t 50+ I could see that but One was blocked? I thought none of them were blocked. There was that weird one that was short but on the broadcast in slow motion it didn't appear to be blocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: He looks and sounds like a total meathead. And, based on what Yolo has said about him actually being one, I'm completely convinced now. I know a guy whose kid played in the same soccer league as his kid. He used to constantly berate the refs, coaches and kids. F bombs, etc. an obnoxious a-hole. Youth soccer, folks. He threw a ceramic coffee cup at the head of an offensive assistant during a meeting at Ohio state threatened to physically assault urban Meyer because he said he treated his buddy Luke Fickell like ***** bar fights galore in college 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, MJS said: One was blocked? I thought none of them were blocked. There was that weird one that was short but on the broadcast in slow motion it didn't appear to be blocked. They call it blocked on NFL.com. Maybe it can be shown better on all-22 but the Bills are certainly trying to block it and it appears the ball is kicked where Ed Oliver (I think) gets a hand on it. It's more convincing on the film than in any screen grab I can pull. You can see the guy's foot hit the ball and follow through right towards Oliver's outstretched fingers. 25 minutes ago, dneveu said: Rain saturated natural grass, raining at the time of the kick... he had the leg for it too, just tough out there. 4th and a long 4 is tough though, especially with how many drops and just poorly located passes they had all game long. Yeah - sometimes that 2 minute defense is a teams Achilles heel though. They play off, give up tons of free yards and get you in position to have a couple shots inside 25 yards. You make the FG and kick off... you force the 3 and out and its about 2 minutes left and you have the ball at the 40. So in your POV, they were playing to win by kicking a long field goal after having 3 fail? A bit strange...I mean, a forced 3 and out and a TD is part of your scenario for them anyway. So why go for the low percentage thing that's even lower for you That Given Sunday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Chandemonium said: I think it was a bad choice, but I suppose you could justify it because you still need a touchdown either way, but without the 3 points you need a TD to tie and with the 3 points you need a TD to win. There was 7 mins left in the game.... Punt the ball and let you defense make a stop. 53 yard FG there after a bad kicking day was a horrible call. A 40 yard FG sure. That call flopped field position, not in their favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: They call it blocked on NFL.com. Maybe it can be shown better on all-22 but the Bills are certainly trying to block it and it appears the ball is kicked where Ed Oliver (I think) gets a hand on it. It's more convincing on the film than in any screen grab I can pull. You can see the guy's foot hit the ball and follow through right towards Oliver's outstretched fingers. So in your POV, they were playing to win by kicking a long field goal after having 3 fail? A bit strange...I mean, a forced 3 and out and a TD is part of your scenario for them anyway. So why go for the low percentage thing that's even lower for you That Given Sunday? I'm grasping at straws tbh... just trying to get the thought process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The dumbest thing I've EVER seen a coach do. No feel for the game whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Losing to a Vrabel coached team is close to bottom of the barrel. The Titians are a perfect example of a talented team that is horrendously coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I dunno what kinda look the guy is going for but I get "80s low-level coke dealer straight outta Miami Vice" kinda vibes. Complete tool. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I 100% believe that call was a fireable offense. I guess it's still early enough in the season, but that was inexcusable. If he were the Bills HC I would have lost my mind at that call. I would certainly want him to be gone and Id wager a good portion of this board would feel the same way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: This is an easy one. He had zero confidence in his offense to move the ball down the field. Against our defense, they were struggling to get 1st downs. Did he make the right call? I actually think so. He knew his chances of getting a 1st down was slim, so he took the chance of just putting points on the board with plenty of time left on the clock. Titans defense was playing pretty well all game as well. He trusts his defense more than his offense, so his logic was that his defense would be able to stop us with his offense having enough time for one last drive to either win (if they made the FG) or tie the game and send it to OT. But of course our offense prevailed and didn't give them that chance. In a close defensive battle, he would've gotten ridiculed no matter what decision he made. Together, that makes a grand total of zero sense. If he didn't have confidence in his team getting 5 yards on fourth. Where is this confidence in them to go the length of the field to win? It was a muttonhead decision from a muttonhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I thought because of the previous misses that this kick was going to be a gadget play of some sort but i'm glad it wasn't !! Those misses helped in the Bills win & McD needs to pull back his ego on the 4th down go for it plays that missed 4th down play where they could have had 3 points instead could have been the difference if their guy would have made a couple of those kicks !! I get having confidence in your offense but don't get to cocky put the points on the board when given the chance !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 hours ago, bmur66 said: No way he could miss 4 in a row. Kick It! Any kick over 45 yards is a gamble but the way Santos was kicking yesterday I think it was a poor choice by Vrabel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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