Phil The Thrill Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Here is something that I find odd about this years’ Bills offense. If you look at the output over the past 5 weeks, you would think their offense is really bad. The team is averaging just 18 points per game, and only 15 points over the past three games. But if you take a look at the team stats, what you’ll find is that the Bills are regularly outperforming their opponent in total yards on offense. 3 times so far, we’re taking a different of 100+ yards. Take a look: Bills 370, Jets 223 - W Bills 17 -13 Bills 388, NYG 370 - W Bills 28-14 Bills 416, Bengals 306 - W Bills 21-17 Bills 375, Patriots 224 - L Patriots 16-10 Bills 313, Titans 252 - W Bills 14-10 My question is - why aren’t the Bills scoring more points? I am sure that Allen’s turnovers don’t help, but it really makes me wonder why, Is it all on Allen? Or are their other factors involved? because based on yardage they are probably toward the middle of the pact in the NFL. Also, I’ve seen many people blame Brian Daboll but if you look at these stats it’s proof that his offense is moving the football. For whatever reason, they aren’t scoring points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Here is something that I find odd about this years’ Bills offense. If you look at the output over the past 5 weeks, you would think their offense is really bad. The team is averaging just 18 points per game, and only 15 points over the past three games. But if you take a look at the team stats, what you’ll find is that the Bills are regularly outperforming their opponent in total yards on offense. 3 times so far, we’re taking a different of 100+ yards. Take a look: Bills 370, Jets 223 - W Bills 17 -13 Bills 388, NYG 370 - W Bills 28-14 Bills 416, Bengals 306 - W Bills 21-17 Bills 375, Patriots 224 - L Patriots 16-10 Bills 313, Titans 252 - W Bills 14-10 My question is - why aren’t the Bills scoring more points? I am sure that Allen’s turnovers don’t help, but it really makes me wonder why, Is it all on Allen? Or are their other factors involved? because based on yardage they are probably toward the middle of the pact in the NFL. Also, I’ve seen many people blame Brian Daboll but if you look at these stats it’s proof that his offense is moving the football. For whatever reason, they aren’t scoring points. Simple - Turnovers, penalties, and dropped passes. Playing great defenses last 2 weeks didn’t help either. Edited October 7, 2019 by Alphadawg7 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Outside of the Giants, they've played solid defenses. Yes, the Bengals suck, but they have a solid defensive line and two quality DB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It seems their drives have stalled on penalties, turnovers , and sacks. Don’t know if the numbers back this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I think Singletary coming back will help. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 As the Brits would say, penal'ies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Like someone else said... Turnovers, penalties, dropped passes, and sacks. This offense isn't moving in big chunks. Its moving in small clips. Long drives = more attempts at screwing up. I like that Allen has done a lot of work on his short game and I think he is doing a pretty good job, but lets face it... He isn't Tom Brady and our receivers aren't breaking 20 yards after the catch. Can't run an offense like the Pats when you are not the Pats. You can have them drives, but at some point you need to get chunk plays too. Edited October 7, 2019 by Scott7975 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 It’s mostly turnovers. We lead the league in turnovers. A secondary cause may be third down percentage. We are around 23rd in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It seems their drives have stalled on penalties, turnovers , and sacks. Don’t know if the numbers back this up. that’s right. When offense isn’t explosive and you need 8-10 play drives to score, bad things inevitably happen to sabotage the drive. Bills aren’t explosive whatsoever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: that’s right. When offense isn’t explosive and you need 8-10 play drives to score, bad things inevitably happen to sabotage the drive. Bills aren’t explosive whatsoever Yes, they are still an offense with a lot of new parts, and not a complete unit yet. They still don’t have a true #1 WR , and are playing with rookie TEs. Definitely not a finished product. Having a top defense may influence Daboll to keep things low risk as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 The big play and deep ball has been sorely lacking, IMO. I don't think Josh Allen is built to lead 12 play drives down the field......we need to see much more of the big passing plays to be a playoff team IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I feel like we also have a bunch of long drives that end on turnovers-on-downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 tied for league lead in turnovers with 11 Have not had short field drives Not many fg opportunities Bunch of things that will get better I would hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Dawson Knox and Tommy Sweeney both had drops that directly stalled out drives approaching scoring position today. Stuff like that has been happening every game. Not connecting on deep passes yet. We also had another 3rd Quarter naptime out there, so we’re essentially putting up all that yardage in 3 quarters. Edited October 7, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Estro said: The big play and deep ball has been sorely lacking, IMO. I don't think Josh Allen is built to lead 12 play drives down the field......we need to see much more of the big passing plays to be a playoff team IMO. I agree. But he’s not even taking deep shots. I don’t think he had a single deep attempt today. Not going to complain (because he played well and is making some great intermediate throws)— but we aren’t getting huge chunk plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Because Duke Williams hadn't been promoted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Daboll is good with the playcalling in parts of games and then seems to suffer from brain cramps especially right after half time. The execution on some plays in some key 3rd down situations has been abysmal. I think Josh will improve with more experience. Even today you could tell he was more careful with the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Turnovers and stone hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Here is something that I find odd about this years’ Bills offense. If you look at the output over the past 5 weeks, you would think their offense is really bad. The team is averaging just 18 points per game, and only 15 points over the past three games. But if you take a look at the team stats, what you’ll find is that the Bills are regularly outperforming their opponent in total yards on offense. 3 times so far, we’re taking a different of 100+ yards. Take a look: Bills 370, Jets 223 - W Bills 17 -13 Bills 388, NYG 370 - W Bills 28-14 Bills 416, Bengals 306 - W Bills 21-17 Bills 375, Patriots 224 - L Patriots 16-10 Bills 313, Titans 252 - W Bills 14-10 My question is - why aren’t the Bills scoring more points? I am sure that Allen’s turnovers don’t help, but it really makes me wonder why, Is it all on Allen? Or are their other factors involved? because based on yardage they are probably toward the middle of the pact in the NFL. Also, I’ve seen many people blame Brian Daboll but if you look at these stats it’s proof that his offense is moving the football. For whatever reason, they aren’t scoring points. i really like Dabol but he needs to be more balanced. Not sure why we aren't scoring more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, Estro said: The big play and deep ball has been sorely lacking, IMO. I don't think Josh Allen is built to lead 12 play drives down the field......we need to see much more of the big passing plays to be a playoff team IMO. I agree some more deep shots down the field would help. But during the Pats game, Allen was looking for deeper shots downfield, holding on to the ball trying to do too much & our offense got eaten alive. Once Daboll got Allen to throw on rhythm with 3 step drops on precision plays, the offense started rolling & we were way more successful moving the ball. This season Allen seems to perform better with the precision routes than the hero ball style of play. Perhaps Daboll can work in more play action deeper down the field. Because those deep routes do help to open things up. But with the injuries to our Oline, depending on their severity, that may limit how long Allen has back there to work deeper down field. With so many new faces to this offense, it was always gonna be a work in progress. I think we just need to be patient as things come together & be thankful we're 4-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, Estro said: The big play and deep ball has been sorely lacking, IMO. I don't think Josh Allen is built to lead 12 play drives down the field......we need to see much more of the big passing plays to be a playoff team IMO. Yeah it's a matchup league and the Bills offensive personnel doesn't cause mismatches that lead to quick scores............and as you said they NEED those. Every game we get the obligatory shots of every receiver being covered on a failed play and yet so many fans can't put 2 and 2 together...........they need at least one guy who can really take the lid off. Foster being a failure this season really hurts............the AFC is winnable.........Bills should be in on getting a stud WR before the deadline. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Lots of new pieces. When you get into the red zone or even just on the opponent's side of the field it comes down to execution. The offense is still learning to play together and we still have a QB learning how to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 25 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: Daboll is good with the playcalling in parts of games and then seems to suffer from brain cramps especially right after half time. The execution on some plays in some key 3rd down situations has been abysmal. I think Josh will improve with more experience. Even today you could tell he was more careful with the ball. 20 minutes ago, BuffBillsForLife said: Turnovers and stone hands. It's not the play calling or the turnovers. Daboll has done a good job in drawing up and calling plays that trick the defense.........he just has a pedestrian group of weapons to work with. And a lot of the turnovers came on plays where Allen should have just thrown the ball away and settled for the punt......like the interception today.....that's not been costing them many points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: Lots of new pieces. When you get into the red zone or even just on the opponent's side of the field it comes down to execution. The offense is still learning to play together and we still have a QB learning how to play. Not buying that excuse...........new personnel that the opponent doesn't have much film on in that system can be a big advantage early in the season. It's the matchups. Add a stud in the passing game and that moves John Brown to a lesser CB and so on..........that's how improve your matchups. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Not buying that excuse...........new personnel that the opponent doesn't have much film on in that system can be a big advantage early in the season. It's the matchups. Add a stud in the passing game and that moves John Brown to a lesser CB and so on..........that's how improve your matchups. I respect your opinion but I disagree. There's not a coach or player in the game that would tell you continuity isn't important. Having 9 new starters is a disadvantage until they can get up to speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Penalties. Makes the yardage total go up when you go forward, backwards, and forward again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Aren't we only like 6 yards of offense per game behind the Pats? Difference being turnovers and penalties. Edited October 7, 2019 by 1ManRaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Just now, MJS said: I respect your opinion but I disagree. There's not a coach or player in the game that would tell you continuity isn't important. Having 9 new starters is a disadvantage until they can get up to speed. Continuity on offense is great if those are the players you plan to have for 5 years............this WR corps is lead by a bunch of rentals that will all be gone in 2-3 years so I guess they better get their noses in the playbook. Seriously...........the "they need time to gel" thing isn't really applicable anymore...............EVERY team is in major transition from year to year. Case in point can you imagine 20 years ago having all of these young QB's step right in after injuries to incumbents and excel? And this is all happening IN SEASON. The game has changed a lot in the last decade. If all your key players were with you in OTA's you are ahead of the game. A lack of tape on them in that system is probably the biggest advantage a player has in the NFL now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, MJS said: Lots of new pieces. When you get into the red zone or even just on the opponent's side of the field it comes down to execution. The offense is still learning to play together and we still have a QB learning how to play. Our red zone efficiency is very good this season. It's the big yardage plays that have been lacking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) Sacks that take us out of field goal range (at least three that I can think of}. Turnovers. Lack of any long TD's. Missed 4th downs under two yards. No defensive or special teams TD's. Edited October 7, 2019 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) We got no long ball. And chicks dig it. Edited October 7, 2019 by JohninMinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: Our red zone efficiency is very good this season. It's the big yardage plays that have been lacking. Said it before but McDermott and Frazier would LOVE to line their defense up against this Bills offense...........their defense is designed to make offenses execute long drives because very few teams can do it without drive killing mistakes/failures well short of the endzone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 We're a young team that hasn't hit its peak yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Here's my theory on the lack of long ball? Right now, who's the deep threat outside of John Brown? Maybe Duke now, but really nobody up to this point. Therefore, defenses put a high safety over the top of Brown. When Allen has gone deep to Brown (outside the one he overthrew Brown), there has been a high safety who has broken up the pass or intercepted it. Hopefully with Duke (who can high point the ball) and the return of Foster, we can get the safety to commit to one side or the other and get some one on one matchups. Who remembers the Akili Smith and Carl Pickens show in Cincinnati? Smith would just air bomb a throw high and far and let Pickens locate it and run under it. I think this could be an option for Duke who can probably out muscle DBs and high point the ball. Especially if he can get one on one coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: My question is - why aren’t the Bills scoring more points? I am sure that Allen’s turnovers don’t help, but it really makes me wonder why, Is it all on Allen? I think it is pretty much exactly this. It is not ALL on Allen. Yeldon had a costly fumble. Theirs been a penalty or two that put us out of FG range. But Allen has turned the ball over and also taken some bad sacks that took potential points off the board. But I'll take consistent movement of the football, Yards Per Play over Turnovers. Turnovers can be corrected, or they just tend to fall back to the mean because having a ton or hardly any early in the season can be a bit flukey. We know with Allen we may have more than most teams but I wouldn't expect another Jets first half debacle game. And we only play the Patriots one more time late in the season rather than every other week so I also wouldn't expect another 3 INT game from Allen anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Here's my theory on the lack of long ball? Right now, who's the deep threat outside of John Brown? Maybe Duke now, but really nobody up to this point. Therefore, defenses put a high safety over the top of Brown. When Allen has gone deep to Brown (outside the one he overthrew Brown), there has been a high safety who has broken up the pass or intercepted it. Hopefully with Duke (who can high point the ball) and the return of Foster, we can get the safety to commit to one side or the other and get some one on one matchups. Who remembers the Akili Smith and Carl Pickens show in Cincinnati? Smith would just air bomb a throw high and far and let Pickens locate it and run under it. I think this could be an option for Duke who can probably out muscle DBs and high point the ball. Especially if he can get one on one coverage. You are definitely thinking of Jeff Blake. Akili Smith never peed a drop in the NFL he was a total bust. But you are right about Brown.............he COULD be a deep threat............and he gets extra attention but it's not just safety help..........the Bills can't even afford to send him deep because he's the only receiver they have that can keep drives going on intermediate routes consistently. They'd go broke trying to throw 5 yard passes to Beasley all game. Duke tho.......I just don't see him being a deep threat..........Carl Pickens was actually big AND fast. Duke is crazy slow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Not sure if it is updated through week five or not but by Yards Per Play rankings the Bills are in the meaty part of the curve at 16 with 5.7 YPP. Not showing off, not falling behind. And that is a few spots ahead of New England at 5.4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: You are definitely thinking of Jeff Blake. Akili Smith never peed a drop in the NFL he was a total bust. But you are right about Brown.............he COULD be a deep threat............and he gets extra attention but it's not just safety help..........the Bills can't even afford to send him deep because he's the only receiver they have that can keep drives going on intermediate routes consistently. They'd go broke trying to throw 5 yard passes to Beasley all game. Duke tho.......I just don't see him being a deep threat..........Carl Pickens was actually big AND fast. Duke is crazy slow. Jeff Blake, that's right. Thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Not to the question of why weren’t getting points (I agree with TOs, sacks, drops, and penalties), but I think with this defense that offensive yards matter more than other teams. More yards mean more first downs which mean more rest for the defense. Feels as if we are way better in the 3 and out stat than last year and it’s helping our defense. Once this offense gels I think the points will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Too many victory formations instead of trying to score more points in the final minute of a win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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