Stallions Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I didn’t like seeing Daboll ridiculing Josh on the bench after an interception this past Sunday. Tapping his forehead as if to say “THINK”. That made many NFL highlight shows. Where is Allen’s QB coach Ken Dorsey? He supposedly helped Cam Newton with the Panthers. Josh has been working for 2 years in CA with Jordan Palmer’s private Company “QB Summit”. They stress footwork and include ‘yoga on the beach’!! Jordan Palmer completed 11 passes in the NFL career and is really a spiritual guru rather than a coach/trainer. Tyree Jackson from UB studied with him before the ’19 draft. Has this helped at all and did the Bills recommend this training? It appears Josh is regressing with basic QB skills. The NFL teams now have had 2 years to scout his play. I can see him ending the year with the same numbers as last season. That’s not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Stallions said: I didn’t like seeing Daboll ridiculing Josh on the bench after an interception this past Sunday. Tapping his forehead as if to say “THINK”. That made many NFL highlight shows. Where is Allen’s QB coach Ken Dorsey? He supposedly helped Cam Newton with the Panthers. Josh has been working for 2 years in CA with Jordan Palmer’s private Company “QB Summit”. They stress footwork and include ‘yoga on the beach’!! Jordan Palmer completed 11 passes in the NFL career and is really a spiritual guru rather than a coach/trainer. Tyree Jackson from UB studied with him before the ’19 draft. Has this helped at all and did the Bills recommend this training? It appears Josh is regressing with basic QB skills. The NFL teams now have had 2 years to scout his play. I can see him ending the year with the same numbers as last season. That’s not good enough. Would you rather he just smile and pat him on the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Would you rather he just smile and pat him on the back? Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) No problems with how Daboll reacted. Do it more if necessary. The footwork was putrid. He was better in the second half though. He had the adrenaline flowing too much to start the game. We probably win that game if he didnt get concussed. Let's see if he learns from it. Edited October 2, 2019 by Bferra13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Who cares what the national perception is. If he doesn’t produce well on the field, it won’t matter anyways. At some point, if the crazy INTs keep happening...and I mean the ones that are completely egregious and avoidable, some players need to start letting him here it too. Maybe not on the sideline, but someone needs to get it through his head. Maybe it will take the players who he is hurting with these decisions to do that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 If Allen can’t handle tough coaching when he’s making dumb decisions then he’s not going to be the guy we hope for. 3 minutes ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! And you don’t think that same impression can be made just by watching the tape? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 The week after a loss is so miserable, in so many ways..... 11 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 McD calmly had a little talk with Josh on the bench before he came out. I like that. but he also needed Daboll's "bad cop" finger on the forehead. A little of both works. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 35 minutes ago, Stallions said: I didn’t like seeing Daboll ridiculing Josh on the bench after an interception this past Sunday. Tapping his forehead as if to say “THINK”. That made many NFL highlight shows. Where is Allen’s QB coach Ken Dorsey? He supposedly helped Cam Newton with the Panthers. Josh has been working for 2 years in CA with Jordan Palmer’s private Company “QB Summit”. They stress footwork and include ‘yoga on the beach’!! Jordan Palmer completed 11 passes in the NFL career and is really a spiritual guru rather than a coach/trainer. Tyree Jackson from UB studied with him before the ’19 draft. Has this helped at all and did the Bills recommend this training? It appears Josh is regressing with basic QB skills. The NFL teams now have had 2 years to scout his play. I can see him ending the year with the same numbers as last season. That’s not good enough. Is this Josh's girlfriend 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Bferra13 said: No problems with how Daboll reacted. Do it more if necessary. The footwork was putrid. He was better in the second half though. He had the adrenaline flowing too much to start the game. We probably win that game if he didnt get concussed. Let's see if he learns from it. Never know for sure but this is what I thought as well. Trying too hard. He just has to learn to take what is available. Especially against the best D's. He has to be patient like he was on the first drive of the second half. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Dante said: Never know for sure but this is what I thought as well. Trying too hard. He just has to learn to take what is available. Especially against the best D's. He has to be patient like he was on the first drive of the second half. I remember before the Jets game they showed a video of Josh giving a hype up speech to the team and YardsPerPass on twitter said he was worried that 17 was a little too amped up. Then we got that awful first half performance. Might have been some truth to that and the same would be true of this last game. Gotta be cool under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I think the Pats defensive back should have intentionally dropped it so Josh wouldn’t get his feelings hurt. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! I hope he gave him a trophy for best summer yoga guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! I don't remember that kind of gesture with Peterman. These days at QB you have to have smarts and a rocket launcher. Pman didn't seem to have both. Hope JA does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 If his feelings are hurt, he will not make it as a NFL QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ga boy said: I don't remember that kind of gesture with Peterman. These days at QB you have to have smarts and a rocket launcher. Pman didn't seem to have both. Hope JA does. We are hoping he does. Is patience running down within the coaching staff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I actually enjoyed Daboll working Allen over Bob Knight style . Nothing wrong with a coach giving a grown man a talking to when they are acting a fool. Cowher made a living from it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Anyone have a video link of this? I missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: Anyone have a video link of this? I missed it I don’t think you missed much, just someone trying to stir the pot for his own amusement. Or.......something I don’t want to make fun of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oooooooookaay Maybe Daboll doesn't like Ken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I have no issue with daboll doing that ..at some point you have to let Josh know those hero throws are unnaceptable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColdFront_USAF Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Virgil said: Anyone have a video link of this? I missed it It wasn't much. Daboll just tapped his head as if to say "use your head" after an interception. I don't think anyone besides OP had any issues with it, I doubt any NFL player has made it this far without having seen and heard much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 My goodness. It’s really is as if some of you think of Allen as a little baby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! 100% correct. What Daboll did was very unprofessional. Josh had a difficult enough day. Having his coach ridicule him like that in front of his teammates and the fans is the kind of thing that creates a lasting grudge. Very poorly handles by Daboll. I hope he apologizes. I have no problem with him getting angry if he thinks that will help, but you do that behind closed doors. You don't anoint someone the team leader and then undress them in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, GreggTX said: 100% correct. What Daboll did was very unprofessional. Josh had a difficult enough day. Having his coach ridicule him like that in front of his teammates and the fans is the kind of thing that creates a lasting grudge. Very poorly handles by Daboll. I hope he apologizes. I have no problem with him getting angry if he thinks that will help, but you do that behind closed doors. You don't anoint someone the team leader and then undress them in public. Much ado about nothing. Pretty tame as far as sideline blowups go. Barely worth mentioning. If Allen can’t handle that, he can’t handle being an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, GreggTX said: 100% correct. What Daboll did was very unprofessional. Josh had a difficult enough day. Having his coach ridicule him like that in front of his teammates and the fans is the kind of thing that creates a lasting grudge. Very poorly handles by Daboll. I hope he apologizes. I have no problem with him getting angry if he thinks that will help, but you do that behind closed doors. You don't anoint someone the team leader and then undress them in public. HUH? Jim Kelly would get IN YOUR FACE if you messed up. Michael Jordan would PUNCH teammates in the head. Lets’s not pussify the entire sports world and deny him his orange slices at halftime! Josh needs to think. Nothing wrong with pointing that out. I’m sure there was ample encouragement as well. Balance is the key, don’t wreck the guy, but it can’t just “be accepted “. I love Josh as a person. He needs to know as a player some of that crap won’t fly. Learn from it, and eliminate it!!! He has the potential to be great, but he needs to learn. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Stallions said: I didn’t like seeing Daboll ridiculing Josh on the bench after an interception this past Sunday. Tapping his forehead as if to say “THINK”. That made many NFL highlight shows. Where is Allen’s QB coach Ken Dorsey? He supposedly helped Cam Newton with the Panthers. Josh has been working for 2 years in CA with Jordan Palmer’s private Company “QB Summit”. They stress footwork and include ‘yoga on the beach’!! Jordan Palmer completed 11 passes in the NFL career and is really a spiritual guru rather than a coach/trainer. Tyree Jackson from UB studied with him before the ’19 draft. Has this helped at all and did the Bills recommend this training? It appears Josh is regressing with basic QB skills. The NFL teams now have had 2 years to scout his play. I can see him ending the year with the same numbers as last season. That’s not good enough. Palmer is absolutely not more a spiritual guru than a coach. He's a mechanics and QB play guru, if anything. Read an interview with Palmer sometime last year when he said that when he was with the Bears he was the 3rd stringer and didn't feel he was helping the team much and he felt he knew the offense inside-and-out so he thought that to help the team he would sit at a desk in the lobby of the facility at night and guys could come and ask him questions about the offense and just details and techniques. He did that several nights a week and each time he did for hours there would be multiple guys there asking him questions they weren't getting help with from coaches who didn't have time. He knows football. And there's no evidence the Bills recommended it. He started with Palmer before they drafted him. EDIT: Oh, and that's nonsense that he could end up with the same stats as last year. He's averaging 50 yards more per game, and went from 52.8% completions last year to 50.3% this year. He'd have to collapse to end up with the same numbers. He's been a lot better this year, though there wasn't much sign of that against the Pats, but every player has bad games. Dunno if he'll ever be a franchise QB, but he's better than he was last year. 4 hours ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! Please. Brady gets yelled at on the sidelines. This isn't even a molehill, it's a grain of sand on the side of a molehill. Edited October 2, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Palmer is absolutely not more a spiritual guru than a coach. He's a mechanics and QB play guru, if anything. Read an interview with Palmer sometime last year when he said that when he was with the Bears he was the 3rd stringer and didn't feel he was helping the team much and he felt he knew the offense inside-and-out so he thought that to help the team he would sit at a desk in the lobby of the facility at night and guys could come and ask him questions about the offense and just details and techniques. He did that several nights a week and each time he did for hours there would be multiple guys there asking him questions they weren't getting help with from coaches who didn't have time. He knows football. And there's no evidence the Bills recommended it. He started with Palmer before they drafted him. Please. Brady gets yelled at on the sidelines. This isn't even a molehill, it's a grain of sand on the side of a molehill. Come on - - comparing Josh with Tom is pitiful! 2 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: My goodness. It’s really is as if some of you think of Allen as a little baby. I think a lot of fans have been thinking that. Now that the diapers are off he needs to produce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Stallions said: Come on - - comparing Josh with Tom is pitiful! Come on. Pretending that I compared Josh to Tom is far far more pitiful on your part. Edited October 2, 2019 by Thurman#1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I’d say he’s getting coached not to throw 3 very bad interceptions while trying to singlehandedly beat the Patriots 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It appeared to me that Allen was so intent on playing a perfect game, and it backfired on him. He will learn from this and just be better for it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Oh please. He screwed up and the coach held him accountable. The OP and a couple others here probably want to pat him on the head and give him a participation trophy., 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 coaches have yelled at me worse than that when i was in middle school, and it was fine then too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Never was impressed with Cam Newton either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Yep. Just wanting to force the ball down field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 If anyone need to "think" its Daboll. He game plan sucked against the Patriots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 10 hours ago, Stallions said: I didn’t like seeing Daboll ridiculing Josh on the bench after an interception this past Sunday. Tapping his forehead as if to say “THINK”. That made many NFL highlight shows. Where is Allen’s QB coach Ken Dorsey? He supposedly helped Cam Newton with the Panthers. Josh has been working for 2 years in CA with Jordan Palmer’s private Company “QB Summit”. They stress footwork and include ‘yoga on the beach’!! Jordan Palmer completed 11 passes in the NFL career and is really a spiritual guru rather than a coach/trainer. Tyree Jackson from UB studied with him before the ’19 draft. Has this helped at all and did the Bills recommend this training? It appears Josh is regressing with basic QB skills. The NFL teams now have had 2 years to scout his play. I can see him ending the year with the same numbers as last season. That’s not good enough. Is one bad game after 3 positive ones regressing? You didn’t expect any bumps in the road. Even if Josh ever does become an elite QB he’s still gonna have bad games here and there. Until we see more games, the way a lot of you are worrying about this one at this point is an over reacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Stallions said: Come on - - comparing Josh with Tom is pitiful! Where in the world did he compare Josh to Tom? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 One bad game and he is "regressing" This board is the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 11 hours ago, Stallions said: Do that stuff in the coaches room. Now an impression has been made that Josh doesn't think well in a game! Do you honestly think that it took a tap on the helmet by Daboll for people to get the impression that Allen doesn’t think well in a game? Really? As though Allen’s own performance at times on the field doesn’t make that plainly obvious to anyone watching? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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