Reader Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Does anyone else get the ratings for the Bills players for free? I'm not sure why, I am not a paid member but if I click on roster, the player and then 2019 I am able to see what their grades are after the first game. I can't see any specifics, but the overall grade comes up. Note names are not in order and I've lumped offense and defense separately. Some interesting tidbits. Since I don't pay for PFF I don't know the breakdown of players grade. PFF claimed Allen did well last year only because of his running grade, I wonder if he did better as a passer yesterday. Two, before you all get the pitchworks, remember PFF is just a metric and they are wrong a lot. Remember, when they championed Tyrod for three years before he had a performance with the Browns that would have made EJ blush? If Josh and the offense settles down, they'll prove them wrong sooner than later. Keep in mind, we did win, but we're going to need more than 17 points to beat most teams. Elite: Sweeny!!! Great: Brown Oliver Edmunds Murphy Good: Morse Zay Star Shaq Lorax Horrible Harry Poyer White Average: Dawkins Feliciano Milano Hyde T. Johnson Poor: Allen Singletary Gore Beasley Nsekhe (Almost Average) Ford Spain D. Johnson Phillips Neal Wallace Bad: Knox (Technically slightly above bad, but at least 5 points below all other offensive players) Hughes??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter McGavin Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 They have Singletary rated as poor therefore I cannot take this list seriously. 20 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Just now, Reader said: Does anyone else get the ratings for the Bills players for free? I'm not sure why, I am not a paid member but if I click on roster, the player and then 2019 I am able to see what their grades are after the first game. I can't see any specifics, but the overall grade comes up. Note names are not in order and I've lumped offense and defense separately. Some interesting tidbits. Since I don't pay for PFF I don't know the breakdown of players grade. PFF claimed Allen did well last year only because of his running grade, I wonder if he did better as a passer yesterday. Two, before you all get the pitchworks, remember PFF is just a metric and they are wrong a lot. Remember, when they championed Tyrod for three years before he had a performance with the Browns that would have made EJ blush? If Josh and the offense settles down, they'll prove them wrong sooner than later. Keep in mind, we did win, but we're going to need more than 17 points to beat most teams. Elite: Sweeny!!! Great: Brown Oliver Edmunds Murphy Good: Morse Zay Star Shaq Lorax Horrible Harry Poyer White Average: Dawkins Feliciano Milano Hyde T. Johnson Poor: Allen Singletary Gore Beasley Nsekhe (Almost Average) Ford Spain D. Johnson Phillips Neal Wallace Bad: Knox (Technically slightly above bad, but at least 5 points below all other offensive players) Hughes??? I was just reading a thread on jetnation saying that pff rated Darnold QB#11 @ 68,7 and Allen QB#25 @ 52,3. So that's amusing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 We've already had one thread discussing these PFF twats today. Dorks in their mom's basement with online gf's who live in another country. 9 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 ***** PFF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said: They have Singletary rated as poor therefore I cannot take this list seriously. They have Zay listed as "Good", what does that tell you? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Why do any of you put ANY stock into ANYTHING that site publishes? It's straight trash. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) This is so freaking hilarious how bad they're ratings are. Literally the opposite of what any rational observer saw. Elite: Jamie Mueller, Rick Tuten, Mark Kelso Poor: Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed PFF Rankings of early 90s Bills Edited September 10, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reader Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why do any of you put ANY stock into ANYTHING that site publishes? It's straight trash. I don't mind the Sweeny being elite part. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I still hate Collinsworth... 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 carries for 70 yards is poor? wow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I am too old to care about any outsider opinions. We know what we saw yesterday. A win is a win. The team did what it needed to do to obtain a "W". Despite the success of yesterday, we all know there are things to work on and improvement is needed if success is to be sustained. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Here's the ranking I'm interested in: 1st AFC East (1-0-0) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 "Poor: Allen Singletary" Well you can't fix stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I'm a little lost how 17.5 YPR is poor, but ok. Guy is on pace for 1100+ yards on 64 carries lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Shooter McGavin said: They have Singletary rated as poor therefore I cannot take this list seriously. Wonder what they rated Bell seeing as he had fewer all purpose yards on more touches.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Singletary had 98 yards from scrimmage and a 17.5 YPC... Okay buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) I think the Singletary grade was due in part to his lackluster pass protection and other mistakes (i.e. drops and routes) in the passing game. The Milano and Hyde grades are a little surprising -- those guys looked great! Other than that everything else matches what I saw. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Go Sweeney! Edited September 10, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 People need to stop obsessing over this irrelevant football site. With the process the only grade that matters is W....... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Not surprised by the OL grades TBH. Yes, the ran the ball extremely infrequently, but the generated zero push. Wasn't much different than last season in that regard unfortunately. Pass Pro was decent, but moving the LOS wasn't there...at all. It's a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 PFF is worthless. their values weather good or bad are very inaccurate of the actual play of the player. 3 hours ago, Koko78 said: Here's the ranking I'm interested in: 1st AFC East (1-0-0) Patriots ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VW82 said: I think the Singletary grade was due in part to his lackluster pass protection and other mistakes (i.e. drops and routes) in the passing game. The Milano and Hyde grades are a little surprising -- those guys looked great! Other than that everything else matches what I saw. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Go Sweeney! sure, i agree that those execution issues yesterday knock him down from an elite performance despite the gaudy numbers and high % of targets caught etc.. but that should knock him down to “good” or the upper end of average, not “poor.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 This is a bunch of hogwash. One reason being that there's no way they actually have time to "analyze" every play of every game for EVERY player and come out with these reports the next day. Common sense alone reveals the absurdity... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Well these are completely pointless and a waste of time for the people who make them and the readers 5 hours ago, VW82 said: I think the Singletary grade was due in part to his lackluster pass protection and other mistakes (i.e. drops and routes) in the passing game. The Milano and Hyde grades are a little surprising -- those guys looked great! Other than that everything else matches what I saw. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Go Sweeney! So Wallace was also poor, Hughes bad? Ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Be careful publishing a full list. You don't have publishing rights even if you are a member. I had a thread on here that I did top 5s and bottom 5s for the Bills on and I made sure the read their Ts and Cs very carefully before doing it because they protect their material quite diligently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why do any of you put ANY stock into ANYTHING that site publishes? It's straight trash. It is not straight trash. It is not everything either - some of what they do is more objective than other bits. As for Singletary - just for context - his rushing grade was 77.4 - that is in the "Great" category. What brings him down is his receiving grade - 37.8. He had 6 targets - one drop and two of his receptions he bobbled before corralling the ball and he averaged just 5.6 yards per reception. Was the play where he cut back too early a reception play as well? Where he had the corner but cut back and was stopped short? I can't remember. But that might all play in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: Wonder what they rated Bell seeing as he had fewer all purpose yards on more touches.? Elite! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Don’t care about these at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Reader said: Poor: Allen Singletary ROFLMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: 4 carries for 70 yards is poor? wow One of his carries was only 12 yards. That must be why. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: One of his carries was only 12 yards. That must be why. His run grade was in the great category. It was his receiving grade that dragged him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: His run grade was in the great category. It was his receiving grade that dragged him down. Sort of hard to believe an objective system would drag him to poor. I did not study the actual reasoning. It must also ignore situational analysis. Singletary's best performance came in critical moments. I will say in the first half, on several plays I thought Singletary looked lost on the field. But his whole body of work for the game deserved a game ball, not a "poor" rating. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Sort of hard to believe an objective system would drag him to poor. I did not study the actual reasoning. It must also ignore situational analysis. Singletary's best performance came in critical moments. I will say in the first half, on several plays I thought Singletary looked lost on the field. But his whole body of work for the game deserved a game ball, not a "poor" rating. So it does ignore situational analysis as far as I know. Singletary had 6 receiving plays against 4 rushing plays. So a poor receiving grade will drag the overall down. There are lots of reasons why PFF grades should always be taken with a pinch of salt but when you dig beyond the headline grade there is often some decent analysis there. I say again, it is only a tool, it is never the be all and end all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) PFF pays me $5 bucks per team, better than cutting lawns Edited September 10, 2019 by HOUSE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Lmao: Zay and his 2 rec on 5 targets for 18 yards is good... But Singletary, whose 98 yards on 7 touches in the second half that was a key piece of winning the game is poor??? That alone is worth deleting this thread entirely. Not to mention all the other absurd ones too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: His run grade was in the great category. It was his receiving grade that dragged him down. This still makes no sense. Zay caught just 2 of 5 targets for 18 yards, including losing 2 yards on one reception. He got a good grade. Singletary catches 5 of his 6 targets for 28 yards to go with 70 yards on 4 carries and he gets a poor grade somehow over his receiving? Not to mention was critical to winning the game... This thread is worthless. Should just delete it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: This still makes no sense. Zay caught just 2 of 5 targets for 18 yards, including losing 2 yards on one reception. He got a good grade. Singletary catches 5 of his 6 targets for 28 yards to go with 70 yards on 4 carries and he gets a poor grade somehow over his receiving? Not to mention was critical to winning the game... This thread is worthless. Should just delete it. The things people feel a need to defend is baffling! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: 4 carries for 70 yards is poor? wow yep. Should have fought harder to get that touchdown on the first scoring drive where Allen (also “poor”) had to take it in the next play!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: This still makes no sense. Zay caught just 2 of 5 targets for 18 yards, including losing 2 yards on one reception. He got a good grade. Singletary catches 5 of his 6 targets for 28 yards to go with 70 yards on 4 carries and he gets a poor grade somehow over his receiving? Not to mention was critical to winning the game... This thread is worthless. Should just delete it. It is not worthless and there is nuance. Zay did not get a good receiving grade. His run blocking dragged his grade up (he got an elite run blocking grade from 13 run block snaps). Singletary caught 5 of his 6 targets but didn't break many tackle on those plays, bobbled two of the ones he caught and dropped a ball. Again, you have to dig deeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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