Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I know we're still riding the pre-season optimism wave, but simple question: Do you think any Bills earn AP All-Pro honors this year, and if so, who? I think Tremaine Edmunds has a very good chance to be that player. He's looked much better against the run in limited preseason action, and I think most would agree that was where he needed to improve the most from last season. His size and speed make him a very disruptive player defending the pass, as we witnessed last season. If he continues to make plays defending the pass and shows considerable improvement against the run, he's got a very good chance. He's our "Luke Keuchly" in the defense, and a bigger version. Kuechly earned his first All-Pro in his second season (he has 5 in 7 seasons), and I think our defense is very well rounded out for them to have a great season. If Edmunds doesn't earn All-Pro, my second guess would be Micah Hyde. PFF had him graded as the #1 safety in the league in 2017. Last season was slightly down for him, and the defense as a whole was the most inconsistent in the league as well, yet he was still graded the #1 safety over the last 2 seasons (iirc). If the D-line is better and can create consistent pressure, the DBs should flourish, and Hyde is a very smart and instinctual safety that will feed off of that pressure. Those are the two with the best chance IMO, but maybe you have others in mind. Maybe you think a player surprises and earns All-Pro. If so, tell us why you think so. *Now, if there's one player that I hope wins it over all others, its obviously Josh Allen, but my preseason optimism does not overshadow logic. While I like what he brings to the team and his potential, I just don't see that big of a jump from him just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The way Dawkins is playing, I think he has a very good chance. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 When was the last time we had an All Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, mattynh said: When was the last time we had an All Pro? Hyde was voted 2nd team in 17. Other than that if I’m not mistaken darues and Williams were 1st teamers in 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 My guess would be Edmunds as well. Long shot? Poyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Element115 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Probably no one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just cause it’s Buffalo I’ll say no. NFL doesn’t seem to think we exist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 If we only have one, I would like it to be Josh Allen. ? (yeah, yeah, I don't believe it will happen either) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'd be pretty shocked if any of these guys make All-Pro this year. If I had to pick somebody, I guess I'd go with White, but I don't actually believe that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Edmunds is a good bet because if the simple stuff does click his game translates well to garnering national attention - he will make major splash plays in the passing game. Tre White has a chance as well but I think he needs to get his hands on more balls. If he can his INT number up a bit then he will be in with a shout. Edited August 28, 2019 by GunnerBill 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Just cause it’s Buffalo I’ll say no. NFL doesn’t seem to think we exist. Winning would go a long way to affecting change in this area. Who is really to blame here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Just cause it’s Buffalo I’ll say no. NFL doesn’t seem to think we exist. There was a time when Buffalo landed several players: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_All-Pro_Team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Unfortunately, the team as a whole needs to be a force and put Ws on the schedule and go deep into the playoffs for individual awards. It's hard to look at our team who has been a laughing stock and a doormat to the Pats for these past 2 decades. If our Bills can consistently win and are able to put us back on the map, then we'll start receiving plenty of recognition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Tre White would be my first guess, followed by Edmunds. Dark horse....Jerry Hughes. With Oliver at the 3 tech lined up next to Hughes...it should give Hughes more one on one match ups. Oliver should also help prevent the QB into stepping up in the pocket. I think Hughes could slide into a 2nd team All Pro if he gets to 11-12 sacks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I can think of a few guys who might make the list: 1. Matt Milano -I think Milano has the best chance, imo, as he is probably the most instinctive player on the front 7 and he's always around the ball making plays. 2. Tremaine Edmunds - If he is really getting the game mentally then it is going to be fun to watch him play this year. The athletic ability was already there. 3. Levi Wallace - If he puts together an entire season like he did in the handful of starts he did last year then I think he gains some notoriety. 4. Micah Hyde - If he's back there ball hawking and flying around like a couple of years ago then there aren't many better. 5. Josh Allen - If Allen throws for 3500-4000 yards and 25-30 TD's and rushes for another 600 yards with 7-10 TD's then he will be in the convo. 6. Mitch Morse - If the guy can stay healthy through the year and the team is successful I believe he gets recognition as the key OL addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Nope. The Bills have a lot of good players, but no one who is elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, mattynh said: When was the last time we had an All Pro? this doesn't count if they were the 6th choice for Pro Bowl and the first to accept the invite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 If the team makes the playoffs, there should be at least an All Pro or two. It they don't, it's easy for people to overlook All Pro caliber performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Only three or four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Hyde or Edmunds would be the most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Mario Williams. The guy who didn't live up to his contract.? He was invisible! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 34 minutes ago, H2o said: I can think of a few guys who might make the list: 1. Matt Milano -I think Milano has the best chance, imo, as he is probably the most instinctive player on the front 7 and he's always around the ball making plays. 2. Tremaine Edmunds - If he is really getting the game mentally then it is going to be fun to watch him play this year. The athletic ability was already there. 3. Levi Wallace - If he puts together an entire season like he did in the handful of starts he did last year then I think he gains some notoriety. 4. Micah Hyde - If he's back there ball hawking and flying around like a couple of years ago then there aren't many better. 5. Josh Allen - If Allen throws for 3500-4000 yards and 25-30 TD's and rushes for another 600 yards with 7-10 TD's then he will be in the convo. 6. Mitch Morse - If the guy can stay healthy through the year and the team is successful I believe he gets recognition as the key OL addition. If Morse didn't make it on that Chiefs offense last year, no way he could make it on the Bills. Edmunds is the most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 While I do see Edmunds making a big leap this year, I can't see him being the best MLB in the league quite yet. That means he's got to jump over Keuchly (who could miss time with concussions again very easily) and Wagner who is just an absolute stud still. I don't think he can make that big of a leap yet, but Pro-bowl? Sure. I like the Hyde option, also I think Tre White has a shot. He is damn good. In fact, I would say he has the best shot on the team of making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If Morse didn't make it on that Chiefs offense last year, no way he could make it on the Bills. Edmunds is the most likely. The Chiefs have a lot more "perceived" talent on that team and he only played in 11 games last year. If he comes here and right's the ship with this OL, being the state it was in last year, I believe he does get that recognition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, H2o said: The Chiefs have a lot more "perceived" talent on that team and he only played in 11 games last year. If he comes here and right's the ship with this OL, being the state it was in last year, I believe he does get that recognition. I don't think there's any chance that he's the one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Just cause it’s Buffalo I’ll say no. NFL doesn’t seem to think we exist. Stop. Guess why we haven’t had all pros? Because our team hasn’t been good. White and Hyde have the best shots, but I think cb is too deep. 16 minutes ago, H2o said: The Chiefs have a lot more "perceived" talent on that team and he only played in 11 games last year. If he comes here and right's the ship with this OL, being the state it was in last year, I believe he does get that recognition. You think the Chiefs talent is just perceived? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, H2o said: I can think of a few guys who might make the list: 1. Matt Milano -I think Milano has the best chance, imo, as he is probably the most instinctive player on the front 7 and he's always around the ball making plays. 2. Tremaine Edmunds - If he is really getting the game mentally then it is going to be fun to watch him play this year. The athletic ability was already there. 3. Levi Wallace - If he puts together an entire season like he did in the handful of starts he did last year then I think he gains some notoriety. 4. Micah Hyde - If he's back there ball hawking and flying around like a couple of years ago then there aren't many better. 5. Josh Allen - If Allen throws for 3500-4000 yards and 25-30 TD's and rushes for another 600 yards with 7-10 TD's then he will be in the convo. 6. Mitch Morse - If the guy can stay healthy through the year and the team is successful I believe he gets recognition as the key OL addition. Good list, but Tre White has to be on there, too. I may swap him for Matt. He's looked a little slow in preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) Bills players with any realistic shot at All Pro this year: Hyde Poyer Edmunds White Milano Hughes Morse Dark Horse: Nsekhe Let's also note that it'd take a better than all-pro level season for any Bills player to get that recognition due to media. If we win 10-11 games, we should have at least 1. Edited August 28, 2019 by 947 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Edmunds is a good bet because if the simple stuff does click his game translates well to garnering national attention - he will make major splash plays in the passing game. Tre White has a chance as well but I think he needs to get his hands on more balls. If he can his INT number up a bit then he will be in with a shout. I thought about White. He's obviously a good player, certainly pro bowl worthy, but I think team will try to avoid throwing his wat as much as they can, so his numbers may not jump out IMO. Granted AP doesn't vote on popularity, so shutting guys down and opposing passer rating when throwing his way should factor in. Tough call regarding White IMO, but not because I don't think he's worthy. Our defense is very "bend, dont break", so how that correlates could go either way. They limit big play opportunities in the passing game, and give away the short stuff and swarm to the ball. Maybe that helps his chances, maybe it hurts his chances. Your point about Edmunds is a big reason why I think he'll garner more consideration. He's a big dude, who just sticks out in general, and if he becomes less of a liability against the run, and continues to make game changing plays with passes defensed and INTs, he'll be a solid bet. But as someone else mentioned, a winning team is a major factor for any voter/votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Tre White would be my first guess, followed by Edmunds. Dark horse....Jerry Hughes. With Oliver at the 3 tech lined up next to Hughes...it should give Hughes more one on one match ups. Oliver should also help prevent the QB into stepping up in the pocket. I think Hughes could slide into a 2nd team All Pro if he gets to 11-12 sacks. Hughes didn't even cross my mind for some reason (started thread pre-coffee), and I'm a big fan of his game. His sack numbers last year likely would have been higher with a more effective line next to him. If Oliver can refine his game sooner than later, and Murphy is as advertised (by Bills staff), Hughes should feast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Stop. Guess why we haven’t had all pros? Because our team hasn’t been good. White and Hyde have the best shots, but I think cb is too deep. You think the Chiefs talent is just perceived? I mean when your team is good, and putting up these huge numbers, the skill players on the front lines of that will get more of the recognition. It's hard not to give all of the accolades to Mahomes, Kelce, and Hill. In that perception the job being done by some others might get overlooked a bit. Maybe I chose the wrong word to convey my thought, but that was the intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Stop. Guess why we haven’t had all pros? Because our team hasn’t been good. White and Hyde have the best shots, but I think cb is too deep. You think the Chiefs talent is just perceived? Pretty much this. Hyde has a shot. White has a shot but in a more crowded field. That’s pretty much it. If Edmunds does take a big step forward, then he’ll be looked at more closely and have a chance in future seasons. Seems like players need to get on the radar first by proving themselves and then they can be chosen if they have a stellar season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Milano , White & Edmunds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, row_33 said: this doesn't count if they were the 6th choice for Pro Bowl and the first to accept the invite? nah, All Pro is real, pro bowl participation is not, I take issue with that also. Voted in, fine you are a pro bowler. 5 guys ahead bow out and you participate, I dont think you get credit as a pro bowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Maybe I ‘m right, maybe I’m not but Beasley could be that guy this year. He’s definitely going to be targeted as much as anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) I think white has a real shot if the defense can take another step and the team starts winning some games..... he started to pick up steam with the media this last year. i'm gonna just leave this here because I don't feel like starting up a thread for it. White just made ESPN's top 100 players list heading into the season. came in at 97(9th among corners). https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26881107/2019-nflrank-predicting-nfl-best-100-players-season 97. Tre'Davious White CB | Bills Age: 24 2018 rank: 100 Simply put, White is usually too quick to separate from. He's not the biggest or most physical corner, but he closes quickly and has good enough hands to send an opposing offense back to its sideline. Coupled with one of the league's best safety duos behind him, White is a tough corner to test. -- Marcel Louis-Jacques Signature stat: According to NFL Next Gen Stats, White was the nearest defender on 64 targets last season, 25 more than any other Bills player. His completion percentage against was 59.4%, which was lower than league average of 61%. Edited August 28, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: If Morse didn't make it on that Chiefs offense last year, no way he could make it on the Bills. Edmunds is the most likely. I agree. No way Morse makes it if centering for that Chiefs team didn't get him in. Edmunds is by far the most likely because his playing style makes him so if the fundamentals on the basic plays are much improved. Tre White second because he is the only elite / near elite talent on this team. Hyde as a long shot because he has been a 2nd team all-pro before he does have a nose for the ball and he is widely respected around the league. Beyond those 3 I'd be stunned if any Bills made it in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Beasley....90 catches...1000 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Allen, Beasley, Brown, Edmunds, white, Wallace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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