Nester Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No I would not take a poison pill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: I guess that stuff doesn’t bother me at all. This isn’t competition to them; it is their career. I know in my career my entire focus is on my earnings. If there is an issue I take it to management. I’m going through it right now. We are in an earn out period right now and the window is 3 years. In a lot of ways it’s not terribly different than a RB. There is a period (the next 2 years and 2 months) where we can earn exponentially more than at any other time. You bet, that in this period, I’m making sure that I maximize every single dime. Zeke has 1 big contract left. He needs to protect himself and get what he can while he can. I want more money but I do the job I agreed to do for the money I agreed to do it for. Thats how my parents raised me. A lot of professional athletes have very poor character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: No way in HE@@. The only backs in the league MAYBE worth that investment are Gurley and Barkely. And I'm not personally giving up a first for either. Zeke is relatively young, but he's already got some tread on the tires. As good as he is, I want a game breaker for that type of investment. The position just isn't as valuable as it once was and the best years you're likely to get are the first 5. No chance. Zeke is in discussion with them. So I disagree there. I also think that if healthy he would he would make us a super bowl contender immediately and that’s relatively priceless but man rb is high risk and after hold out it’s likely a coin flip that he misses time with a hamstring this year and probably another coin flip he misses time the year after with risk of injury and suspension rolled together. So it’s a big gamble. 12 minutes ago, H2o said: Pssshhh, I'd give up a first for Barkley in a heartbeat. Gurley though? Hell no. He's Terrell Davis all over again. I'd give up a first for Zeke if I thought he was the missing piece to a championship. Sadly, he is not though. Then you have to give him 45 mill guaranteed at least. I could see him going to Houston, Tampa, GB, or Seattle though. With a top defense, and an immediately top running game - you must not like McD or Allen if you don’t see it being a major opportunity at being top 2-3 in the afc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 20 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I want more money but I do the job I agreed to do for the money I agreed to do it for. Thats how my parents raised me. A lot of professional athletes have very poor character. Your career also can last 40+ years. Their career is about 20% of that. Apples and oranges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Unless he is willing to sign a contract with language getting back signing bonus if he gets suspended not even a chance. I do not think you can even write that into a contract but I expect him to be suspended again soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, Augie said: Sometimes the talent isn’t worth the trouble or the cap space. If he were an adult, then probably at the right price. But he seems to struggle with adulthood. You are absolutely right. This guy and his agent are out in left field. He has two years left on his agreement and he is butting heads with the owner of the team. It's not like he is negotiating with a GM in fear for his job. Zeke would do well to recall the Jerry Jones /DeMarco Murray saga. Jerry let a league rushing champ walk away without batting an eye. In this case he has Zeke under contract for two years plus the franchise tag. That sounds like a lot of leverage to me. It also doesn't hurt Jerry that the rookie Pollard has looked pretty good in preseason. You can tell that Jerry is feeling it when talking about the new contract they signed with Smith. His quote about there being less of the pie today than there was yesterday was a priceless shot at Zeke. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No no no, no no no no no. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, NoSaint said: With a top defense, and an immediately top running game - you must not like McD or Allen if you don’t see it being a major opportunity at being top 2-3 in the afc The exact opposite. I like both. I just don't think Elliott puts us over the top. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be one of the posters who's head would explode if we did make such a trade though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Putin said: Drugs are bad Ask Zeke what he was on in Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No one in their right mind would EVER trade a 1st round pick for a RB. End thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XABI64 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 RB is the LAST position we need to be investing money in our oline is still a massive question mark, we have no legit TE on this team and the WR depth behind Brown and Beasley is not NFL quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, H2o said: The exact opposite. I like both. I just don't think Elliott puts us over the top. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be one of the posters who's head would explode if we did make such a trade though. I guess I struggle to see how you can think we have a great defense, you like the qb, like the coach and don’t think a top 3 back in their prime isn’t the kind of piece that makes you an immediate contender. this isn’t to call you out individually - I think I just confused this off-season by the very common gap between “I like our defense, qb and coach” and immediately following with thinking we aren’t a contender. it feels like either ptsd or not actually liking those pieces much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, njbuff said: No one in their right mind would EVER trade a 1st round pick for a RB. End thread. I would fully agree on this. Trade a first and drop a ton of money on a fat contract. No thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No. Under no circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Shady + Zay + a 2nd round pick... YES It would immediately put us in the AFC championship conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, inaugural balls said: I'm sure you meant unproven OL, right? not really, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No They need next year's pciks for pass rushers. The only player even close to a #1 is Clowney and I don't think he is worth it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billshank Redemption Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 fk no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Good question. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 54 minutes ago, klos63 said: not really, but whatever. well ok - but you really, really don't know now do you? So there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I don't even want Elliott on my fantasy team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Not a chance in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 In today's NFL I don't think you give up high picks AND pay outrageous salaries. Just can't fundamentally do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, njbuff said: In today's NFL I don't think you give up high picks AND pay outrageous salaries. Just can't fundamentally do that. Depends on the position. A DE like Mack is worth it. An all world LT or C maybe as well. Great QB's don't get traded but if you want one and need one badly enough you have to pay dearly. Best bet is to pay your own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I'm kind of sick of all the divas in the NFL. No doubt he is great, but I just wouldn't want to deal with it. He would not be good for the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said: No way in HE@@. The only backs in the league MAYBE worth that investment are Gurley and Barkely. And I'm not personally giving up a first for either. Zeke is relatively young, but he's already got some tread on the tires. As good as he is, I want a game breaker for that type of investment. The position just isn't as valuable as it once was and the best years you're likely to get are the first 5. No chance. McCaffrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm kind of sick of all the divas in the NFL. No doubt he is great, but I just wouldn't want to deal with it. He would not be good for the locker room. Can you define Diva? Have you ever asked for a raise when you felt you deserve it? Do you have a career that will last only a handful of years? If you signed a contract with an employer and they tear it up with three years left on the deal because they don't want to pay you any longer, would you think that is fair? Why would he be bad for the locker room? He seems like a horrible person to women but have not heard her is a bad teammate. I agree I would not want him on my team nor pay a RB prime money. But some team will. That is how the market works. He's top 3 RB in the NFL and wants to be paid like that. Dallas has every right to make him honor his contract and franchise tag him if they wish. He has every right to try and get the largest amount of guaranteed money he can. Dallas has every right to cut him and not honor the contract. That is how the NFL works. Players must get their guaranteed money. 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: McCaffrey Have to agree with you on this kid. He is so much better than I ever thought he would be. Gurley is a broken down mess that I would not give more than a 5th round pick to take on his nightmare contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Have to agree with you on this kid. He is so much better than I ever thought he would be. Gurley is a broken down mess that I would not give more than a 5th round pick to take on his nightmare contract. Agree. Love Gurley but the only RBs I’d consider a first for are Barkley and McCaffrey. And I still wouldn’t do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 This ain't fantasy football... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No, we spent a third on Singletary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: I wouldn’t..but it seems things are getting pretty toxic between Zeke and Jerry in Dallas just curious if you’d be willing to trade a 1 for him and then give him a contract extension Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Your career also can last 40+ years. Their career is about 20% of that. Apples and oranges Yup and they will make more in a single year than most will make in their life time. You strengthened my argument good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Not a chance. I dont think this guy will be available for a full season because he will be suspended yearly for numerous games. He’s a time bomb and eventually, when his star power is fading will get into some serious trouble. Not worth the headache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, NoSaint said: I guess I struggle to see how you can think we have a great defense, you like the qb, like the coach and don’t think a top 3 back in their prime isn’t the kind of piece that makes you an immediate contender. this isn’t to call you out individually - I think I just confused this off-season by the very common gap between “I like our defense, qb and coach” and immediately following with thinking we aren’t a contender. it feels like either ptsd or not actually liking those pieces much I just don't feel that throwing Zeke into the mix now would work out as well. If this had been before TC when he had time to get in here and gel with everyone then I would feel different. I'm not against the idea because you can obviously get a top 3 RB for the next 4 or 5 years. We have the money, we have a good team minus a few pieces elsewhere, and we are on the rise in the AFC. The biggest question I have would be if he fits with this team? Would he fit with the rest of the guys, would he mesh with the staff, and would he be all in on the culture we are building here? I have said I believe this team is special. I think we are going to the playoffs and not just getting to the first round this time. I just don't know if Elliott is someone who would be a piece that puts us over the top. I do see what it is you are saying and understand where you are coming from though. I also think that Jerry isn't going to budge on his stance until he sees regular season games without Zeke. If the Pollard kid is showing well, I think he might listen to offers. If the offense is struggling then I think he pays the man. Either way I don't believe this is something that will happen until a few weeks into the regular season, a trade to any team that is. Edited August 22, 2019 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Yup and they will make more in a single year than most will make in their life time. You strengthened my argument good job. I really never understand why fans side with billionaires over millionaires? Why does how much they make change their right to maximize their value? What is the number when you are no longer allowed to ask for a raise? What’s the number when someone has “enough?” The median salary for an NFL player is $860k. Keep in mind you need to pay Uncle Sam & your agent. So if you say 40% of that is gone and the average career is 3 years, It comes to about $1.5M after taxes. That’s not life changing (especially for someone that’s about 26 or 27). Now obviously, guys in position to hold out are going to earn more. They are less easily replaced. Why should they not capitalize while their earning window is open? Why is it okay for someone in every other profession to get market value? We live in a capitalistic society. Also, you never see players hold out in any other sport. There’s really no such thing because their money is guaranteed (just like yours). I’m not suggesting that works in the NFL but holding out is all that they have vs. a unilateral contract. An owner can decide at ANY point and for ANY reason that the “contract” you agreed to is no longer valid. Now again, if people don’t think a 1st is worth it that’s perfectly reasonable. I just will never understand anyone begrudging someone for maximizing their worth. We all do it. Edited August 22, 2019 by Kirby Jackson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I’m not sure I would take Zeke for free at this point, given his contract demands. He basically has the value of a free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I really never understand why fans side with billionaires over millionaires? Why does how much they make change their right to maximize their value? What is the number when you are no longer allowed to ask for a raise? What’s the number when someone has “enough?” The median salary for an NFL player is $860k. Keep in mind you need to pay Uncle Sam & your agent. So if you say 40% of that is gone and the average career is 3 years, It comes to about $1.5M after taxes. That’s not life changing (especially for someone that’s about 26 or 27). Now obviously, guys in position to hold out are going to earn more. They are less easily replaced. Why should they not capitalize while their earning window is open? Why is it okay for someone in every other profession to get market value? We live in a capitalistic society. Also, you never see players hold out in any other sport. There’s really no such thing because their money is guaranteed (just like yours). I’m not suggesting that works in the NFL but holding out is all that they have vs. a unilateral contract. An owner can decide at ANY point and for ANY reason that the “contract” you agreed to is no longer valid. Now again, if people don’t think a 1st is worth it that’s perfectly reasonable. I just will never understand anyone begrudging someone for maximizing their worth. We all do it. The money has nothing to do with it. The contract says the team can cut you, it does not say the player can hold out. The fact that Im getting an argument supports the last part of my original statement. If the other players want more money then they need to have an individual salary cap in the next collective bargaining agreement so that one particular group doesn't eat up such a large portion of the CAP. Then the money can be spread around better. Also if these players truly were the justice warriors they claim to be they would allocate more money for the retirees. I side with what I believe is right and thats the best I can do in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 IMO first round pick ( for a running back) is out of the question, How about trade McCoy for Zeke straight up AND of course we’d have to make Zeke the highest paid running back in league ? And I still think McBean wouldn’t do it , Don’t get me wrong I think he’s a great player BUT his character ( IMO ) is a huge question mark , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 No way. There are too many great receivers coming out in the 2020 draft. Trading a #1 should be 100% off the table imo. We have to give Allen more and better tools at WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Lol! That’s a no for me dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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