ESPN's "Future Power Rankings"

[BigDingus]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/27124949/nfl-future-power-rankings-projections-all-32-teams-next-three-years

 

They're talking about it on ESPN Radio right now, but because I don't have ESPN+, can't see the entire thing.

All I've pieced together from their discussion & other articles is:

1. Colts

2. Patriots

3. Eagles

8. Rams

9. Browns

10. Chargers

11. Bears

12. Vikings

14. Cowboys

21. Lions

27. Redskins

31. Giants

32... Dolphins lol

 

So if anyone can share what they discuss regarding the Bills, I'd be very interested. They go pretty deep with the breakdowns instead of the typical one-liners used for weekly power rankings, evaluating everything from their drafting to the front office, so I'd definitely like to see how they see the future of the Bills.

[/dev/null]

I can't quite decide which is more irrelevant, ESPN's "Future Power Rankings" or Madden Ratings.  Because honestly, I don't give a damn about either

[Augie]

It seems we are somewhere between the Cheaters and the Dolphins. 

[BigDingus]

3 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

I can't quite decide which is more irrelevant, ESPN's "Future Power Rankings" or Madden Ratings.  Because honestly, I don't give a damn about either

 

That's fine. 

I enjoy reading various writer's opinions on the Bills, regardless of where they work. And if the breakdown is as thorough as it is with the Colts, then I'd definitely like to see what there opinion is of the organization going through the next 3 years.

[Mike in Horseheads]

Saw that a few days ago pure garbage

[Doc Brown]

1. Indianapolis Colts : 87.8

2. New England Patriots : 87.2

3. Philadelphia Eagles : 87.0

4. Kansas City Chiefs : 85.5

5. Seattle Seahawks : 84.9

6. Pittsburgh Steelers : 84.4

7. New Orleans Saints : 84.2

8. Los Angeles Rams : 82.8

9. Cleveland Browns : 81.9

10. Los Angeles Chargers : 80.9

11. Chicago Bears : 80.5

12. Minnesota Vikings : 80.4

13. Green Bay Packers : 79.6

14. Dallas Cowboys : 79.0

15. Atlanta Falcons : 78.4

16. Houston Texans : 77.6

17. Baltimore Ravens : 77.0

18. Carolina Panthers : 76.7

19. Tennessee Titans : 75.3

20. Oakland Raiders : 75.2

21. Detroit Lions : 74.5

22. Denver Broncos : 74.3

23. Buffalo Bills : 73.9

24. San Francisco 49ers : 73.6

25. Jacksonville Jaguars : 72.9

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers : 72.0

27. Washington Redskins : 71.3

28. Cincinnati Bengals : 71.0

29. New York Jets : 70.8

30. Arizona Cardinals : 70.4

31. New York Giants : 69.1

32. Miami Dolphins : 65.4

[MJS]

How far into the future are we talking?

[berg1029]

Quote

23. Buffalo Bills
Overall score: 73.9

Why they're here: Few teams in the NFL have clearly defined their process like the Bills have, with head coach Sean McDermott and GM Brandon Beane in absolute lockstep. There is an emphasis on culture, a desire to build the core of the roster through draft and development to find the degree of toughness needed to play on this team. The plan is clear and the leadership is solid. The roster was augmented via free agency with a flurry of short-term deals, leaving room to build going forward. The progress of quarterback Josh Allen will dictate Buffalo's long-term fate more than anything else, as he needs to make accuracy strides. -- Yates

Biggest worry: Stop me if you have heard this one before: What happens at QB will determine what happens with this team. Two years ago, I didn't believe in Tyrod Taylor and they moved on. Last year, I was skeptical about Allen because of what I saw on tape from him in college. In 2019 and going forward, it's the same. I'm not an Allen believer, and for the sake of Buffalo fans, I hope I am wrong. He is wildly erratic as far as accuracy, is not dependable with his decision-making at this point and doesn't have a very impressive array of perimeter weapons he can get the ball to and allow them to carry the load. When you trade up to draft a franchise QB seventh overall, you expect to get a big return on investment in a short amount of time. The clock is ticking for Allen. -- Riddick

What could change for the better: The young talent on the Bills' defense could elevate this roster above the panel's projection. From linebacker Tremaine Edmunds (21) to nose tackle Ed Oliver (21) to cornerback Tre'Davious White (24), the Bills have some playmakers who could be hitting their peak in three seasons. Their defense alone could lift them into strong playoff contenders. -- Seifert

I'm assuming I'm allowed to just post the snippet about the Bills.  Someone tell me if I need to take this down

Edited July 20, 2019 by berg1029

[H2o]

ESPN is branching out and setting up a hotline

[CSBill]

7 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

1. Indianapolis Colts : 87.8

2. New England Patriots : 87.2

3. Philadelphia Eagles : 87.0

4. Kansas City Chiefs : 85.5

5. Seattle Seahawks : 84.9

6. Pittsburgh Steelers : 84.4

7. New Orleans Saints : 84.2

8. Los Angeles Rams : 82.8

9. Cleveland Browns : 81.9

10. Los Angeles Chargers : 80.9

11. Chicago Bears : 80.5

12. Minnesota Vikings : 80.4

13. Green Bay Packers : 79.6

14. Dallas Cowboys : 79.0

15. Atlanta Falcons : 78.4

16. Houston Texans : 77.6

17. Baltimore Ravens : 77.0

18. Carolina Panthers : 76.7

19. Tennessee Titans : 75.3

20. Oakland Raiders : 75.2

21. Detroit Lions : 74.5

22. Denver Broncos : 74.3

23. Buffalo Bills : 73.9

24. San Francisco 49ers : 73.6

25. Jacksonville Jaguars : 72.9

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers : 72.0

27. Washington Redskins : 71.3

28. Cincinnati Bengals : 71.0

29. New York Jets : 70.8

30. Arizona Cardinals : 70.4

31. New York Giants : 69.1

32. Miami Dolphins : 65.4

 

Probably about right, but I think a case could be made to be as high as 17 or 18, I definitely don't think any lower.

[billsfan5121]

Dumb question because I can’t see any of the descriptions for each team. How in the world is NE #2? Their QB is in his 40s, there’s no replacement in place, their skill positions are questionable. I get they are good today, and will be a playoff team, but what is the future here? Next year? If so, sure NE should be highly regarded because Brady could be back. But if this is projecting 3-5 years, no way should they be that high. 

And here’s the reality. Once Brady retires, they will likely be coming off a winning season (unless the wheels come off while he’s playing). So the first year post Brady won’t have a rookie QB who was highly drafted, unless they trade the farm to move up. So they will likely be bad the first year minimum. Then, they can draft a guy. But then that takes a little time, and may not even work.  So maybe they end up in purgatory. Anyways, I just dont understand how they can be #2. If I was projecting the next 3-5 years, I could probably think of at least 15 teams I think are in better position to be good.

 

 

edit: I see this is for the next 3 years.  I still think NE at 2 is crazy. Would you rather have a 45 year old Brady (or him retired), or a 26-27 year old darnold, Wentz, Watson, mahomes, Allen, etc?

Edited July 20, 2019 by billsfan5121

[SoTier]

As per usual, the Bills true believers think these ratings are "trash" because they don't have the Bills ranked at the top of the heap even though the assessment snippet posted by berg1029 was pretty fair.    ?     There's no guarantee that Allen is going to become a successful NFL QB, although apparently many TSW posters believe differently.

[billsfan5121]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

As per usual, the Bills true believers think these ratings are "trash" because they don't have the Bills ranked at the top of the heap even though the assessment snippet posted by berg1029 was pretty fair.    ?     There's no guarantee that Allen is going to become a successful NFL QB, although apparently many TSW posters believe differently.

I don’t mind the Bills’ ranking. I think NEs is a joke 

[eball]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

As per usual, the Bills true believers think these ratings are "trash" because they don't have the Bills ranked at the top of the heap even though the assessment snippet posted by berg1029 was pretty fair.    ?     There's no guarantee that Allen is going to become a successful NFL QB, although apparently many TSW posters believe differently.

 

I don't think the ratings are "trash" but we have to remember they are just the opinions of three supposed "experts" (Louis Riddick, Kevin Seifert, and Field Yates) and not anything particularly scientific or analytic.  For example, in the Bills' snippet they praise the front office and how the GM and HC are in lock-step with how they want to build the roster and develop culture.  Quote:  "the plan is clear and the leadership is solid."  Then they give coaching a grade of 77.7 (14th) and front office a grade of 73.7 (19th)?  It makes no sense.

 

Is the Bills' roster (non-QB) really 26th in the league?  Have their drafts under the current regime really been 20th in the league?

 

The only Bills-related ranking I agree with is QB (26th) simply because Allen hasn't proven anything yet.

 

It's still the slow time for NFL news and ESPN has to create content.  I don't think these guys put nearly as much effort into truly evaluating each team as we may think they do.  The perennial playoff teams and favorites are always going to receive preferential treatment.  If these articles were being written in the 90s the Bills would have been in the top 3 every year.  To be the man you've got to beat the man.

 

[4merper4mer]

Do they have long cloaks and candles and chanting at the church of Andrew Luck?  What a joke.

[machine gun kelly]

This list is silly.  The Rams make the SB and 10th, the Pats not #1 even as much as I hate them, Saints not #3.  This list like almost every ESPN report is bunk.

 

I understand #23 as we haven’t done anything yet and was 6-10 last year, but this list will change as the season unfolds.

[Bill Murray]

I think the future for our defense is extremely bright, but on offense what do we have?  An uncertain future at all skill positions and a polarizing young QB that you either love or hate.  No one has seen Cody Ford play and it’s hard to know what to think about Dawkins after a surprisingly strong rookie year followed up with limited progress beyond that in year 2.  Robert Foster and Zay showed flashes, but do either of them look like they can be a legitimate week in week out threat if other teams game plan for them as they do for the top ten #1s in the league.  So, I’m a perennial Bills optimist and I believe in Allen, but right here right now this assessment is fair.  

[PromoTheRobot]

20 minutes ago, Bill Murray said:

I think the future for our defense is extremely bright, but on offense what do we have?  An uncertain future at all skill positions and a polarizing young QB that you either love or hate.  No one has seen Cody Ford play and it’s hard to know what to think about Dawkins after a surprisingly strong rookie year followed up with limited progress beyond that in year 2.  Robert Foster and Zay showed flashes, but do either of them look like they can be a legitimate week in week out threat if other teams game plan for them as they do for the top ten #1s in the league.  So, I’m a perennial Bills optimist and I believe in Allen, but right here right now this assessment is fair.  

 

Funny how every team has a bright future except us.

[Gugny]

It's ESPN.  They're going with the law of averages.  Until the Bills have a team that doesn't suck, they will always be in the bottom third of these kinds of lists.

[Victory Formation]

I think if Allen plays competently, like a slightly above average starter, we are golden. We should have the #1 rush offense in the NFL and I think we are going to have a top 10 defense. The question is, can Allen manage the game well and click on some of these play action passes to keep defenses honest? We don't need Allen to be a top 10 QB, hell if he is a top 12-15 QB then we should see the playoffs. We will have a good indication of our future once we start rolling through training camp. Can Allen take a baby step this year? That's the question.

[BillsfaninChicago]

Oh ESPeon you are so silly...

[PIZ]

I like it.  I would much rather have everyone think the Bills suck and have them prove everyone wrong.  They will be the talk of the NFL when they start bashing "playoff contenders".  "Josh Allen, QB of the Buffalo Bills" will start getting Chunky Soup commercials.  We fans know what a crappy team looks like, so I think our enthusiasm about THIS team should mean something.  I'm optimistic that this Bills team could be a playoff contender, and after 1 more solid off-season, they will be annual playoff participants.  It's fun to be the underdog.

 

 

[mjd1001]

Pats and Pitt are too high

Colts I think should be high...but #1 is a bit too high until they prove they belong in the top tier of teams.  If you are going to put the #1...you can justify Cleveland a bit higher too.

I'm not a fan of the Jets, but I think they should be a bit higher. I'd go a bit higher with the  Bills, and 49ers could be higher also.

 

I know New England is justified a lot of coverage based on their success....but it we are to believe some of their reporters, they would have been to 15 Superbowls in a Row, winning most of them, with another 3 or 4 more to come.

Edited July 20, 2019 by mjd1001

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

How do you fairly rank a team with a second year qb who flashed at time but hasn't shown enough consistently to anoint him the franchise QB. So they went low and played it safe. Our defense is legit, but a defense can only carry a team so far in this league where the rules are skewed towards offense. I can't complain about where they ranked it. I still think Riddick is an idiot regardless.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Pats and Pitt are too high

Colts I think should be high...but #1 is a bit too high until they prove they belong in the top tier of teams.  If you are going to put the #1...you can justify Cleveland a bit higher too.

I'm not a fan of the Jets, but I think they should be a bit higher. I'd go a bit higher with the  Bills, and 49ers could be higher also.

 

I know New England is justified a lot of coverage based on their success....but it we are to believe some of their reporters, they would have been to 15 Superbowls in a Row, winning most of them, with another 3 or 4 more to come.

 

...LMAO...gotta love the knotted nylons and hissy fits over this urinalists' prognostications.....Pats?.....isn't this this eighth year their 6 foot hole has been dug and dirt thrown on "their grave"?...um ok.....Browns at #9?.....because of Blowhard Baker's yap, a new HC as well as trying to mesh divas like OBJ ,etc?....under the radar works just fine......who realistically gives a rat's azz where thy say we are anyways?.....16 games ahead.....

[C.Biscuit97]

It’s hilarious how nerds dismiss ESPN.  Louis Riddick and Field Yates are 2 of the smartest, non biased people working in sports journalism. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s hilarious how nerds dismiss ESPN.  Louis Riddick and Field Yates are 2 of the smartest, non biased people working in sports journalism. 

...true....Steven A  parted the Red Sea and NOT Moses....ESPN is gospel...........fickledom....

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...true....Steven A  parted the Red Sea and NOT Moses....ESPN is gospel...........fickledom....

Que pasa?  And Steven A Smith is actually awesome now.  He knows how people view him and he kills it.   

 

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Bill Murray said:

I think the future for our defense is extremely bright, but on offense what do we have?  An uncertain future at all skill positions and a polarizing young QB that you either love or hate.  No one has seen Cody Ford play and it’s hard to know what to think about Dawkins after a surprisingly strong rookie year followed up with limited progress beyond that in year 2.  Robert Foster and Zay showed flashes, but do either of them look like they can be a legitimate week in week out threat if other teams game plan for them as they do for the top ten #1s in the league.  So, I’m a perennial Bills optimist and I believe in Allen, but right here right now this assessment is fair.  

Josh Allen is "polarizing?" Are you high? Can you name one poster on these boards who "hates" Allen? Certainly, you could find Taylor haters, Peterman haters, hell, there were even Kelly haters during his tenure. But, the worst you are going to find about Allen is someone claiming to be "not a fan of the signing," or "unproven," etc. Even SoTier doesn't display hatred of him. And, those people are in the clear minority. I would say that Allen, if anything, has the fanbase united behind him more than any QB I can remember. Do you hate Allen?

[GreggTX]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

1. Indianapolis Colts : 87.8

2. New England Patriots : 87.2

3. Philadelphia Eagles : 87.0

4. Kansas City Chiefs : 85.5

5. Seattle Seahawks : 84.9

6. Pittsburgh Steelers : 84.4

7. New Orleans Saints : 84.2

8. Los Angeles Rams : 82.8

9. Cleveland Browns : 81.9

10. Los Angeles Chargers : 80.9

11. Chicago Bears : 80.5

12. Minnesota Vikings : 80.4

13. Green Bay Packers : 79.6

14. Dallas Cowboys : 79.0

15. Atlanta Falcons : 78.4

16. Houston Texans : 77.6

17. Baltimore Ravens : 77.0

18. Carolina Panthers : 76.7

19. Tennessee Titans : 75.3

20. Oakland Raiders : 75.2

21. Detroit Lions : 74.5

22. Denver Broncos : 74.3

23. Buffalo Bills : 73.9

24. San Francisco 49ers : 73.6

25. Jacksonville Jaguars : 72.9

26. Tampa Bay Buccaneers : 72.0

27. Washington Redskins : 71.3

28. Cincinnati Bengals : 71.0

29. New York Jets : 70.8

30. Arizona Cardinals : 70.4

31. New York Giants : 69.1

32. Miami Dolphins : 65.4

 

How are we ranked higher than Jacksonville and the 49'ers? I'd put us ahead of Oakland, though. For the most part, this is a fair assessment, but it never turns out quite how you expected. Unless something changes drastically, this team has no elite talent yet. Most of the FA's we signed are depth and the ones that are slated to start are average starters or a tad above avg for an NFL starter. I'd say Oliver is the only one likely to become elite. Maybe another rookie will surprise (Singletary?). I feel sorry for those who are expecting 10 wins or more. They will be disappointed yet again.

[CEN-CAL17]

I don’t understand the love for the Browns....

 

Are they Solid on offense? Sure. OBJ may become a cancer, their Oline is decent. 

 

Thing is, they had the 30th ranked defense. I don’t think they got better on that side of the ball at all! Lost a solid DC. 

 

I see them as a 8 win team... Baker is going to shoulder way more responsibility and teams will figure him out. If there’s anyone I see having a slump it’s baker. I just think he’s going to force to much and try to hard and crack under the pressure this year. Yes he’s a stud, yes he will be a top QB in the future. But the Browns Defense is super suspect and it’s all on Baker to make OBJ happy. I see It imploding after 3-4 straight losses.... because of their defense.

[Bill Murray]

1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

Josh Allen is "polarizing?" Are you high? Can you name one poster on these boards who "hates" Allen? Certainly, you could find Taylor haters, Peterman haters, hell, there were even Kelly haters during his tenure. But, the worst you are going to find about Allen is someone claiming to be "not a fan of the signing," or "unproven," etc. Even SoTier doesn't display hatred of him. And, those people are in the clear minority. I would say that Allen, if anything, has the fanbase united behind him more than any QB I can remember. Do you hate Allen?

This is a pretty emotional and overall ridiculous take.  He was the most discussed quarterback in his draft class causing Twitter spats and draftnik face-offs left and right.  This board is filled with national media takes of Allen having horrible accuracy followed by good morning nfl links of deep JA love.  He right now is one of the most polarizing young players in the entire NFL.

 

I personally love Allen, but I’m also a logical person and was highlighting it’s a fair take to say the bills don’t have obvious building blocks on offense.  Name our RB, WR, and TE of the future.  You haven’t seen the RB or TE log a single NFL down and the WRs have shown flashes of potential but not much more.  Facts.  Could this work out? Of course.  Could it not, of course.  If you think anything you have written in your response is even close to remotely true, you either don’t pay attention to football media, or prob need to have a drink and hug your feelings pillow a little tighter.

[Rocky Landing]

2 minutes ago, Bill Murray said:

This is a pretty emotional and overall ridiculous take.  He was the most discussed quarterback in his draft class causing Twitter spats and draftnik face-offs left and right.  This board is filled with national media takes of Allen having horrible accuracy followed by good morning nfl links of deep JA love.  He right now is one of the most polarizing young players in the entire NFL.

 

I personally love Allen, but I’m also a logical person and was highlighting it’s a fair take to say the bills don’t have obvious building blocks on offense.  Name our RB, WR, and TE of the future.  You haven’t seen the RB or TE log a single NFL down and the WRs have shown flashes of potential but not much more.  Facts.  Could this work out? Of course.  Could it not, of course.  If you think anything you have written in your response is even close to remotely true, you either don’t pay attention to football media, or prob need to have a drink and hug your feelings pillow a little tighter.

Thanks for all the straw man arguments, but:

1) I'm not emotional

2) My response to you had nothing to do with the state of our offense.

3) You're still characterizing Allen as "polarizing?"

 

I guess when I hear the term "polarizing," and in the context of this fan forum, and this thread, I'm interpreting that as how it relates to the fanbase. And, in that context, Allen is anything but polarizing.

[mjd1001]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...LMAO...gotta love the knotted nylons and hissy fits over this urinalists' prognostications.....Pats?.....isn't this this eighth year their 6 foot hole has been dug and dirt thrown on "their grave"?...um ok.....Browns at #9?.....because of Blowhard Baker's yap, a new HC as well as trying to mesh divas like OBJ ,etc?....under the radar works just fine......who realistically gives a rat's azz where thy say we are anyways?.....16 games ahead.....

Knotted nylons and hissy fits?  How about the fact that this is a topic and many of us are simply engaging in the discussion?  Your post is a LOT more  more knotted nylons and hissy fits than my original post was that you replied to.

[Johnnycage46]

10 hours ago, SoTier said:

As per usual, the Bills true believers think these ratings are "trash" because they don't have the Bills ranked at the top of the heap even though the assessment snippet posted by berg1029 was pretty fair.    ?     There's no guarantee that Allen is going to become a successful NFL QB, although apparently many TSW posters believe differently.

Just out of curiosity...and I truly mean this...are you a Bills fan?  Or a passer-by fan of another team?  Either way it's totally cool but I honestly haven't been able to get a read on whether you are a Bills  fan or someone who just posts here due to proximity to the team or something (i.e. living in the area maybe).

 

Again, no issues either way but just trying to get a sense for whether you are a Bills fan or a casual passer by.

4 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It’s hilarious how nerds dismiss ESPN.  Louis Riddick and Field Yates are 2 of the smartest, non biased people working in sports journalism. 

Calling people nerds seems a little harsh.  Just because someone doesnt agree with your take doesnt mean they are a nerd (or insert other negative attack).  Please try to be more respectful to other posters.

[NoSaint]

10 hours ago, billsfan5121 said:

Dumb question because I can’t see any of the descriptions for each team. How in the world is NE #2? Their QB is in his 40s, there’s no replacement in place, their skill positions are questionable. I get they are good today, and will be a playoff team, but what is the future here? Next year? If so, sure NE should be highly regarded because Brady could be back. But if this is projecting 3-5 years, no way should they be that high. 

And here’s the reality. Once Brady retires, they will likely be coming off a winning season (unless the wheels come off while he’s playing). So the first year post Brady won’t have a rookie QB who was highly drafted, unless they trade the farm to move up. So they will likely be bad the first year minimum. Then, they can draft a guy. But then that takes a little time, and may not even work.  So maybe they end up in purgatory. Anyways, I just dont understand how they can be #2. If I was projecting the next 3-5 years, I could probably think of at least 15 teams I think are in better position to be good.

 

 

edit: I see this is for the next 3 years.  I still think NE at 2 is crazy. Would you rather have a 45 year old Brady (or him retired), or a 26-27 year old darnold, Wentz, Watson, mahomes, Allen, etc?

 

If they put another ring on, a championship and couple middling seasons would still be far better than average (ie at least 15 teams better). 

 

If just evaluating the 2022 season, I’d agree it’s a long shot for them to be top tier.

4 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Josh Allen is "polarizing?" Are you high? Can you name one poster on these boards who "hates" Allen? Certainly, you could find Taylor haters, Peterman haters, hell, there were even Kelly haters during his tenure. But, the worst you are going to find about Allen is someone claiming to be "not a fan of the signing," or "unproven," etc. Even SoTier doesn't display hatred of him. And, those people are in the clear minority. I would say that Allen, if anything, has the fanbase united behind him more than any QB I can remember. Do you hate Allen?

 

I don’t hate Allen but any questioning of him gets pretty aggressively shouted down. So I tend to stay out of it. 

 

I think hes he’s got all the tools but still a coin flip on whether he’s the guy and don’t have much desire to argue about him being at a crossroad and qb development being rather fickle and unpredictable at this stage (IMO)

 

hes likable, and I wish him well. I don’t think many want to tear the guy down even if they have concerns.

Edited July 20, 2019 by NoSaint

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

Dolphins are too low

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Detroit and Raiders look to be too high.

[Rocket94]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

It's ESPN.  They're going with the law of averages.  Until the Bills have a team that doesn't suck, they will always be in the bottom third of these kinds of lists.

Sorry to say, but you are right. The Bills have to win consistently again to be considered.

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

I don’t hate Allen but any questioning of him gets pretty aggressively shouted down. So I tend to stay out of it. 

 

I think hes he’s got all the tools but still a coin flip on whether he’s the guy and don’t have much desire to argue about him being at a crossroad and qb development being rather fickle and unpredictable at this stage (IMO)

 

hes likable, and I wish him well. I don’t think many want to tear the guy down even if they have concerns.

I think that Allen's faults, and limitations, and the things he needs to improve upon are fairly well established, and agreed upon. There are only a few posters on here who genuinely seem to want him gone, and one in particular who will willfully misrepresent stats, and plays to push that agenda. But, in general, even the people on here who are especially wary of his limitations, and doubt his ability to become a franchise QB, are willing to see him play out, and are hopeful that he succeeds.

 

To call Allen "polarizing" seems crazy to me. Tyrod was polarizing. Peterman, and EJ Manuel were polarizing. There were people who were hard-core fans of those guys, and people who wanted them GONE.