Greg Gabriel Blasts Ed Oliver and Believes He Has “Bust Potential”

[K-9]

17 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Well anyone who thought the Bills should of picked Hockenson with the issues on the D-Line and Oline doesn’t know the Bills very well. Not to mention the fact that TE’s in the first are a luxury pick. I like what the Bills did and think the Bills addressed the biggest needs with the right picks. 

 

Anyone who thinks we should have picked Hockenson is an ignoramus because Hockenson wasn’t there for us to take.

[Rocket94]

Sorry...I just don't see Oliver as a bust. He is too dedicated, athletic and explosive. As we know. He was smothered a NT at Houston. Besides, I like his attitude...kind of a loose and fancy free guy...spatially free! unhindered!

Edited May 3, 2019 by Rocket94

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, YodaMan79 said:

After the draft, what's the point of tearing these kids down?  You can disagree with the value, position or spots they were picked, but go after the GM.  My only caveat would be is if they are so low on character and have a track record of being a trash human being (think Mr. Crab legs, Hill, Mixon ect..)  These kids have plenty of time as a pro to get criticized or called out moving forward.  Once they start collecting a check they're fair game.  

The “I told you so” factor.  

 

People that get paid to do this need to show others that they deserve to get paid

[rodneykm]

18 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Because you go back and you look at the tape and the tape isn’t very good. 

 

18 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

He also says he was wrong on Josh Allen last year but it was because he was only going on what he saw on tape and didn’t know the type of person/leader Allen is.

 

Meh, his point of view is as worthless as most peoples. We'll see how it goes this year on the field. 

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

I can understand EO trying to preserve himself considering he was playing out of position and getting beaten up at NT.  

Yeah except that the tape does not match that narrative (and I am not saying you are creating it....just a narrative like that in general)

 

At 280 pounds (or maybe even less) Ed Oliver graded out as a ELITE run defender in college......let that sink in for a second.....that means guys 30 pound heavier then him were not pushing him around at NOSE TACKLE.....that means taking on 2 guys at a time.

 

As a 3 tech?   Ed Oliver is going to feast.......and despite the heafty contract for Star he is going to do for Ed Oliver what he did for K. Short.

[The Senator]

 

Two questions:

 

1) Who the **** is Greg Gabriel?

 

2) Why the **** should I care what he thinks?

.

[Gugny]

7 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

Two questions:

 

1) Who the **** is Greg Gabriel?

 

2) Why the **** should I care what he thinks?

.

 

Some weekly online publication hack.  He also has the NY Giants as one of the top 3 drafters.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Oliver was playing out of position, on an average team, and not for the coach that recruited him. He would have been out a year earlier if he allowed to be. He was being wasted and had nothing to do but go back. 

 

I NEVER think that protecting your draft status is a bad thing. Bosa did it too and he was on a competitive team. If you have a Jaylon Smith type of injury you earning potential plummets. Smith was a consensus top 3 pick and has made $6.5M total including this year. Joey Bosa went 3rd in that draft and has made $25.9M total including this year. NOT protecting his draft status has already cost Jaylon Smith between $19m-$20m. I’m sorry but I don’t see that as a red flag at all. To me, it’s like Final Jeopardy. If you already have a runaway victory there’s no reason to bet an amount to where you could possibly lose!! You’ve already clinched. 

 

Why couldn't he not play , like Bosa ?

 

 

[BuffaloBill]

21 hours ago, jeremy2020 said:

He also says the Giants did a great job in the draft

 

 

This says a lot

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I see, so to summarize this ‘prospect talent evaluator’

 

josh bad 

peterman good

oliver bad. 

 

I think this is just an ‘understanding adjectives’ problem. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[HOUSE]

The guy is a rug pee'er

 

[Forward Progress]

I really want to hear what Jalen Ramsey has to say about this year's draft picks.  He provides great insights on young talent in the most eloquent way.

[Doc]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Yeah except that the tape does not match that narrative (and I am not saying you are creating it....just a narrative like that in general)

 

At 280 pounds (or maybe even less) Ed Oliver graded out as a ELITE run defender in college......let that sink in for a second.....that means guys 30 pound heavier then him were not pushing him around at NOSE TACKLE.....that means taking on 2 guys at a time.

 

As a 3 tech?   Ed Oliver is going to feast.......and despite the heafty contract for Star he is going to do for Ed Oliver what he did for K. Short.

 

Yeah, I was just saying that if he was trying to preserve himself and "disappeared," it's understandable.  And even the best NT's who weight upwards of 70# than EO would struggle against double- and especially triple-teams.

[HOUSE]

Even if he believes his own *****. Claims of being a draft bust is just plain stupid.

Ed Oliver was rated as one of the safest players in the NFL Draft.  We need to find out what his true motive was for being Dumb.

#1 He signed with another agent?

#2 Trolling the network?

#3 Heavy drinking

#4 Lupus

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

25 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

The guy is a rug pee'er

 

 

Ever thus to deadbeats Lebowski

[Dante]

23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

My boss is a lions fan (and a Michigan fan too wtf did I do to deserve this btw) and was bitching yesterday about the Hock pick. I know she didn’t pay attention to the draft process and insisted this was one of the bigger names and assured he was a different type of TE then Ebron. I lied though saying I would have taken him at 8 ahead of Oliver, I would not have. 

Poor Stafford should be pissed. The punishment that guy takes because his oline is so bad is cruel. Good thing he makes so much money.

[LSHMEAB]

When he refers to the coaching staff "issue" and then says "turns him off from football," I get the sense that his entire lazy take is based on a JACKET.

[John from Riverside]

13 hours ago, NJKBillsfan said:

To be completely honest I was concerned about the pick after watching his highlights.

There just didn't seem to be that many big plays on tape.

 

Add that to the fact that he's undersized and I agree with Gabriel about the bust potential. 

I am seriously starting to wonder based on your recent posts if you are trolling this site......seriously

 

- He is a 280 pound DT playing the nose in his college career

- Despite that and taking on double teams the majority of the time STILL makes plays

- He grades out as a elite run defender despite his size

- Greg Gabriel is wrong.....A LOT

- There are also some pundits that believe this was actually the MOST TALENTED player in this draft......over Q. Williams....over Bosa......gotten at the 9th pick

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 hours ago, K-9 said:

Anyone who thinks we should have picked Hockenson is an ignoramus because Hockenson wasn’t there for us to take.

True, the interview was conducted before the actual draft.

[XABI64]

nonsense

 

the guy obviously has all the talent. he was being played in a position that is for 300+lb DT's. He also isn't lazy. from the second he stepped off the plane he looked like he was ready to get to work and improve 

 

not like Marcell who screamed lazy from his first season with us 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 5/2/2019 at 6:55 PM, PIZ said:

In his draft mag last year (which I bought) he had QB Josh Allen as a 3rd round pick.

 

Ask for your money back.

10 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Gabriel is a schmuck. There's a reason he no longer has a job in a front office.

Next year’s GM in Arizona...?

[Stallions]

On 5/2/2019 at 5:42 PM, Just Joshin' said:

The verdict is in so cut Oliver, fire Beane.

Let's do it - LOL!!

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Why couldn't he not play , like Bosa ?

 

 

He could have decided that, but didn’t. Granted his knee injury wasn’t technically season ending. He came back and played hurt vs Memphis but could have gone the Bosa route. 

[Punching Bag]

20 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

Two questions:

 

1) Who the **** is Greg Gabriel?

 

2) Why the **** should I care what he thinks?

.

 

Well he does have a lot more experience than anyone criticizing him on this board including me.

 

2010 Story from when he was canned along with most of Bears' front office.

http://www.espn.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=5140606

Gabriel was set to enter his ninth season with the Bears. A 28-year veteran in pro personnel, Gabriel worked 16 seasons in the New York Giants scouting department, one with national scouting, and two more years part-time with the Buffalo Bills.

With Gabriel leading the college scouting, the Bears hit on several players, including Pro Bowlers Lance Briggs, Tommie Harris, Devin Hester, Johnny Knox and Nathan Vasher. During Gabriel's first seven drafts with Chicago, the Bears selected 16 players who started at least one game for the Bears in 2008.

[Kirby Jackson]

20 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Why couldn't he not play , like Bosa ?

 

 

Bosa didn’t play after the injury. He declared at that point instead of coming back.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Ask for your money back.

Next year’s GM in Arizona...?

 

...LMAO!..maybe he hires Grigson as Assistant GM......would make the clown show even better........

[White Linen]

"I don't like him - he's a middle of the first round kind of guy."

 

Um, you don't like a guy that's the 15th to 25th best college player in the country?  If you don't like a guy, he shouldn't be on your board.

[frostbitmic]

Of course he can bust, so can Kyler Murray, Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams etc ...

 

I'm betting he won't though.

[Putin]

On 5/2/2019 at 4:45 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Well anyone who thought the Bills should of picked Hockenson with the issues on the D-Line and Oline doesn’t know the Bills very well. Not to mention the fact that TE’s in the first are a luxury pick. I like what the Bills did and think the Bills addressed the biggest needs with the right picks. 

 

I don’t think Honck would have been a luxury pick , our offense was one of the worst , our WR/TE group was joke , we had a top 5 defense, I thought getting our OL/WR /TE fixed was our NUMBER 1 priority , I hope Knox will be a great TE for us , but IMO getting more ( quality weapons ) to help Allen  is a need NOT luxury ( I don’t care what round ) 

go ahead fire away !!!!!

Edited May 7, 2019 by Putin

[atlbillsfan1975]

35 minutes ago, Putin said:

I don’t think Honck would have been a luxury pick , our offense was one of the worst , our WR/TE group was joke , we had a top 5 defense, I thought getting our OL/WR /TE fixed was our NUMBER 1 priority , I hope Knox will be a great TE for us , but IMO getting more ( quality weapons ) to help Allen  is a need NOT luxury ( I don’t care what round ) 

go ahead fire away !!!!!

I’m not going to fire away. You are welcome to your opinion. I am glad Beane saw it the way I did. I also enjoyed watching the draft piece that showed how happy Beane was that Detroit didn’t take Oliver.  Unless you have Tom Brady you win with good line play on both sides of the ball. Oliver was the right pick and is an instant plug and play guy. Let’s see how different Hockensons and Knox’s numbers are in two years from now. 

[Turk71]

On 5/3/2019 at 4:32 PM, XABI64 said:

nonsense

 

the guy obviously has all the talent. he was being played in a position that is for 300+lb DT's. He also isn't lazy. from the second he stepped off the plane he looked like he was ready to get to work and improve 

 

not like Marcell who screamed lazy from his first season with us 

Seeing the difference on draft night between him and Q Williams was a striking contrast to me. Williams looked like an overgrown youngster with a lot of baby fat still on him, Oliver looked like a grown man that moved like a cat. 

  

Edited May 7, 2019 by Turk71

[Putin]

19 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I’m not going to fire away. You are welcome to your opinion. I am glad Beane saw it the way I did. I also enjoyed watching the draft piece that showed how happy Beane was that Detroit didn’t take Oliver.  Unless you have Tom Brady you win with good line play on both sides of the ball. Oliver was the right pick and is an instant plug and play guy. Let’s see how different Hockensons and Knox’s numbers are in two years from now. 

I’m not against the pick of Oliver , all I’m saying we have had number 1 / 2 / 3 defense in the past and it didn’t get us anywhere not even a WC or beating the pats** , I just want to see our offense/ passing game improve to at lest the middle of the pack , cuz if not I don’t care if we have a number 1 defense we are not making the playoffs if we can’t move the chains and score points , 

 

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Putin said:

I’m not against the pick of Oliver , all I’m saying we have had number 1 / 2 / 3 defense in the past and it didn’t get us anywhere not even a WC or beating the pats** , I just want to see our offense/ passing game improve to at lest the middle of the pack , cuz if not I don’t care if we have a number 1 defense we are not making the playoffs if we can’t move the chains and score points , 

 

Significant improvement of the o-line (including hopefully coaching upgrade), Allen getting first team reps and an off-season where he knows where to concentrate his efforts, adding Brown and Beasley, maybe some actual holes for the rb to run through, TEs with working knees -- enough there to make middle of the pack a plausible goal.

[Putin]

Just now, Dr. Who said:

Significant improvement of the o-line (including hopefully coaching upgrade), Allen getting first team reps and an off-season where he knows where to concentrate his efforts, adding Brown and Beasley, maybe some actual holes for the rb to run through, TEs with working knees -- enough there to make middle of the pack a plausible goal.

That’s what I’m hoping for as well , I really believe we have something special in J A and I hope he gets all the help he needs to succeed , I know there’s still plenty of time before week one so I hope we won’t stop upgrading our offense until then , 

[Doc Brown]

I don't know how bright the guy is....

 

 

[Putin]

On 5/5/2019 at 8:47 AM, frostbitmic said:

Of course he can bust, so can Kyler Murray, Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams etc ...

 

I'm betting he won't though.

I wouldn’t bet on Kyler Murray, but Nick Bosa and Quinnen Williams are pretty sure bets , I would expect one of those two to win DROY !

I hope Oliver = A Donald but that’s a riskier bet ( IMO ) 

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