Is Kelvin Benjamin's career over?

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Steve Billieve said:

Which is why we got him for a third.  Things could have gone differently, they didn't. 

There was a point in KBs career he probably could have brought in two firsts or at least a 1st and 2nd.

 

No there wasn't. The last point at which KB was worth a 1st round pick was the moment the Panthers spent one on him. Wide receivers depreciate in value unless they are special. Sammy Watkins is a better player and when he was traded 3 or 4 months before Benjamin he fetched a 2nd and a defensive back (and we sent a 6th I think the other way). 

[Steve Billieve]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No there wasn't. The last point at which KB was worth a 1st round pick was the moment the Panthers spent one on him. Wide receivers depreciate in value unless they are special. Sammy Watkins is a better player and when he was traded 3 or 4 months before Benjamin he fetched a 2nd and a defensive back (and we sent a 6th I think the other way). 

I believe you but I thought he performed better than expected after year 1, if someone wanted to trade for him at that point I would think it would cost more than a first.

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Unfortunately another Beane "gem" in the pro personnel department.

 

Hopefully this UFA class breaks the curse of Beane's awful pro personnel results............just ONE reliable every down player from the pro side would be a first in his short tenure.

[dollars 2 donuts]

In 2009 on team that was almost as bad, for 2 million dollars the Bills got a 35-36 year old T.O. to catch 55 balls for 829 yards and 5 tds.

 

I bring it up because it is still just so amazing how bad Benjamin was, in his youth with a contract on the line.

 

If the ball was on fire you'd think he'd catch it.  You'd think he'd run every route as if his life depending on it.

 

...it just never seemed that way.

[Foxx]

i hope he signs with the Patriots.

[Just Joshin']

1 hour ago, Thunderstruck said:

Should make the move to TE, honestly

He isn't going to cut it at WR anymore

Why do you think a failed WR can convert t o TE?  His size?

 

If you play with no heart or passion as a WR, why will he be better as a TE where you need to get dirty blocking?

[bobs0108]

I’ll admit I was super excited when we “stole” him for a 3rd from the Panthers. He was one of the teams needs at the time and had shown he could be a number one with potential. As the say hindsight is 20/20 and he failed here in Buffalo. I don’t wish him ill will and hope he can turn his career around as long as it’s not with the Pats. I highly doubt he will though. 

[dpberr]

It's only his fault if it is the end of the road.

 

All he had to do was exert maximum effort for one season to get a new contract and couldn't find the motivation to do that.  He may have hated Buffalo but all he had to do was give it his all while he was here and then he'd likely be able to pick where he'd want to play.  

 

I don't know if he's dim, lazy, surrounded by poor advisors, or all three.  

[ndirish1978]

2 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

Should make the move to TE, honestly

He isn't going to cut it at WR anymore

 

He's not a hard enough worker and takes plays off. You're not going to get him to block with any sort of effort.

[cd1]

Kelvin might not even be in shape to work out for a team...

 

 

He never seems to motivated.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Unfortunately another Beane "gem" in the pro personnel department.

 

Hopefully this UFA class breaks the curse of Beane's awful pro personnel results............just ONE reliable every down player from the pro side would be a first in his short tenure.

Top 5 GM. 

[The Bills Blog]

38 minutes ago, cd1 said:

Kelvin might not even be in shape to work out for a team...

 

 

He never seems to motivated.

Wow, that's unbelievable.

[row_33]

3 hours ago, cage said:

 

that's just based on size... TEs have to work pretty hard in the blocking game.  I don't think he has the desire in him to make that change.

 

not a shred of dispute there

 

you never know though, he might like a few more paychecks before having to get a real job in sales

 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

stick a fork in him

[BringBackOrton]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Perhaps, but last year’s tape is just not kind to him. Never saw a receiver stop running so many routes over the course of a season. That is just unacceptable on every level. 

Agents should teach their players the difference between business decisions and playing yourself.

 

Zach Brown is a notable recent example of a guy who cost himself about $10M in GTD money with a Pro Bowl season by having some horrible tape.

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Unfortunately another Beane "gem" in the pro personnel department.

 

Hopefully this UFA class breaks the curse of Beane's awful pro personnel results............just ONE reliable every down player from the pro side would be a first in his short tenure.

He's the anti-Whaley. We need to combine them.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

Kelvin might not even be in shape to work out for a team...

 

 

He never seems to motivated.

Jazz:  “I’m starved!  When do we eat here?”

KB:  “We eat here later.  You eat here never.”

Jazz:  “Looks like you eat here often.”

[Toesy]

That is a wild picture-I would never guess WR just looking at him-maybe DE.

[Real McClappy]

One of the Worst players to ever wear a Bills uniform.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

It appears we may have seen the last of the Kelvinator. He remains unsigned, and it's hard to envision a team finding a role for a slow, lazy ex-star with suddenly brick-like hands.

 

At one point, he was referred to as the top WR in this free agency class.

 

It's one of the more sudden non-injury-related falls from grace I've seen for a first-round pick in recent years, especially one who was a borderline household name at one point.

 

I'm not sure he was a star.  He was certainly a good player from whom it was believed a next step was possible.

 

I think he probably doesn't want to take a pay cut from his $9M option year.  He could kind of argue Buffalo was a fluke due to the strange QB situation but when he moved to KC with Mahomes targeting him and pulled the same TD-went-through-his-hands crap, he didn't make a persuasive case for his value as a >$9M man.

 

He'll probably sign somewhere, but not until teams see what they get in the draft and his agent sees that he needs to adjust his salary expectations.

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

Should make the move to TE, honestly

He isn't going to cut it at WR anymore

 

I think TEs need to do stuff KB has not shown desire or aptitude to do - like, oh, you know, block.

 

25 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

One of the Worst players to ever wear a Bills uniform.

 

New around here?

Not hardly.  And I'm not happy to say that.

[Real McClappy]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

New around here?

Not hardly.  And I'm not happy to say that.

Very far from it.

 

It's one thing to being a bad player (Rudy) and working your ass off and not cutting it. It's a whole different matter when you actually do have some skills and have zero heart and are a lazy POS like KB was here. KB was a absolute joke for the Buffalo Bills. One of the worst players we have ever traded for.  I'm just glad Beane seen it and cut ways knowing it was a blow against him, that showed me a lot about Beane actually. Makes me personally like him more for cutting bait. 

 

This one really deserves it's own poll. Granted V.Davis will be on this list as well, at least his tenure was short and sweet and he stated he physically just didn't have it anymore and walked away.

Edited April 10, 2019 by Real McCoy

[HOUSE]

A WR that can't catch might have trouble finding  work. Kind of like a singer that can't sing

 

 

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Edited April 11, 2019 by HOUSE

[ColoradoBills]

yes

[Augie]

5 hours ago, cd1 said:

Kelvin might not even be in shape to work out for a team...

 

 

He never seems to motivated.

It looks like he was highly motivated......... in the buffet line! 

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, The Bills Blog said:

It appears we may have seen the last of the Kelvinator. He remains unsigned, and it's hard to envision a team finding a role for a slow, lazy ex-star with suddenly brick-like hands.

 

At one point, he was referred to as the top WR in this free agency class.

 

It's one of the more sudden non-injury-related falls from grace I've seen for a first-round pick in recent years, especially one who was a borderline household name at one point.

 

He was the 5th WR in his draft class, hasn’t had 1000 yards since his rookie year and baaaarely did that. In his last 3 years he had 1000 yards total combined and 3 teams.

 

when was he a star of near household name recognition? He’s always been on the outside looking in when it comes to the top talent and a country mile from elite even at his peak.

7 hours ago, Steve Billieve said:

 

I'm sure if I look back you'll be on record with that opinion at the time.

 

Im pretty sure like 6 posters see nfc south football with any regularity and we were all nervous but hopeful 

[The Bills Blog]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

He was the 5th WR in his draft class, hasn’t had 1000 yards since his rookie year and baaaarely did that. In his last 3 years he had 1000 yards total combined and 3 teams.

 

when was he a star of near household name recognition? He’s always been on the outside looking in when it comes to the top talent and a country mile from elite even at his peak.

Just from personal experience, after he started so well in Carolina, he had very good name recognition among casual fans and I think most people saw him as a young star, rising above others in his class (including Watkins). I know a lot of fans were saying we should've traded down and gotten Benjamin instead of trading up for Sammy.

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

Just from personal experience, after he started so well in Carolina, he had very good name recognition among casual fans and I think most people saw him as a young star, rising above others in his class (including Watkins). I know a lot of fans were saying we should've traded down and gotten Benjamin instead of trading up for Sammy.

 

I think you are overestimating his impact in the league because our fan base was overinvested in the results of WRs in that draft class. I also suspect that you are using casual fans online that are actually among the most invested fans even at the more casual tier of online posters. 

 

I think that the “watch most but not all games” type of casual fan of the browns, chargers or cardinals barely if at all had him on their radar. 

Edited April 11, 2019 by NoSaint

[Irv]

Benji should be power slammed through a burning table for lack of effort.  Sucks.  

[RocCityRoller]

8 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

No.

 

He'll catch on somewhere, but the hope of ever seeing a big money contract is history. He'll be relegated to 1 year "prove it" deals until his career ends.

We already saw he doesn't catch anything, so did KC

[RocCityRoller]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Feel free. I never liked Benjamin, even in college.  He looked like a fat woman.  

 

like Whoopie Goldberg's uglier fatter cousin

[Augie]

Does the annual hot dog eating contest pay anything? He might have a second career there to supplement his retirement. 

[GreggTX]

He's not finished if this experience lights a fire under hit butt.

[billsfan89]

Unless he suddenly becomes motivated and gets in shape he is done. Yes some team might give him a camp invite but he won't ever be an effective player unless he changes his approach and attitude.

[Stank_Nasty]

The poor guy is never going to be able to hold a job without Zay following him out of the huddle and physically putting him where he needs to lineup. 

 

 

.... what a bum. 

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

The poor guy is never going to be able to hold a job without Zay following him out of the huddle and physically putting him where he needs to lineup. 

 

 

.... what a bum. 

... and handing him a donut. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

10 hours ago, Thunderstruck said:

Should make the move to TE, honestly

He isn't going to cut it at WR anymore

If he does go TE you can call him Croom Jr.

[CIrvine]

He will probably be on the NFL network next season as a Draft Expert.

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Unfortunately another Beane "gem" in the pro personnel department.

 

Hopefully this UFA class breaks the curse of Beane's awful pro personnel results............just ONE reliable every down player from the pro side would be a first in his short tenure.

 

 

You can keep saying it. It seems obvious you feel compelled to do so, even if it means hijacking a thread as you attempted to do here.

 

Doesn't make it true, though. In fact, it's not. Beane's results are mixed, and really pretty decent for how little money he was able to spend.

 

They signed Jordan Phillips, he's worked out well. They signed Derek Anderson, he worked out well and cheap. Yarbrough, he's worked out well and cheap. They re-signed Kyle Williams, he worked out well.

 

They signed Lotulelei, he's been expensive and worked out well. He hasn't lived up to some expectations ... there's been outrage, screams from thousands of would-be GMs living in thousands of mom's basements all over America, but he's done what McD wanted, and been part of a cheap #1 ranked defense. Bodine was cheap and without him Groy would have made the O-line look considerably worse than they finally did. Bush was super-cheap and solid. Isaiah McKenzie was a terrific pickup for $555 K for the year.

 

He traded for EJ Gaines who's far outperformed his salary. He traded for Jordan Matthews who unluckily got injured but has been on rosters since and performed decently. Philly took him right back when they had the chance. He's been signed by SF for next year for a bit more than the Bills paid for him for his injured year.

 

Yes, there have been some bad ones too. No question, Benjamin didn't work out in any sense. But plenty of deals that are solid for the money or even just plain solid. So your contention here is just nonsense. He's had mixed prop personnel results, but plenty of decent moves. The problem is that he had very little money to spend and picking up a lot of vet min guys is not going to produce a ton of excellent starters. That's what most of Beane's moves have been up till this offseason, due to cap problems. For how much they paid, there were plenty of guys who were solid pickups.

 

 

 

 

Guess I'll copy this so I don't have to look it up yet again next time. It's clear you're going to keep re-cycling this nonsense no matter how many times it doesn't fly. And no matter how many threads you have to attempt to hijack.

Edited April 11, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

13 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

I think his knee issues are impacting his game much more than being lazy. Watch how he breaks out of curl routes, he has to take 4 or 5 real tentative steps consistently to turn around with a super wide base. Looks like a washed beer league player, and no way that's an effort thing, not entirely at least, he has no explosion in his legs left.

 

It's actually really sad and unfortunate, and hopefully he can keep out of the same mind traps that ended up overtaking Hardy.

 

 

It seems that way to me, though there also seems to be a lack of effort. 

 

But he definitely isn't running routes the way he did early in his career. It's a shame.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Didn't love the game.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...apparently he doesn't think "it's over"......read a classic post somewhere that said, "he is a knife, fork and spoon away from a decent NFL career"......

 

"It's just a bad season," Benjamin said. "It is what it is. Just football, man. You have good seasons, you have bad seasons. I've had successful seasons in this league. I'll have plenty more. For some reason, it's just not the year."