A trade down is now off the table.

[dubs]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

 

I think the whole theme of this FO is: Nothing is off the table. Shocking that’s not obvious to everyone. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Nothing is off the table. Moreover, Beane seems like he is trying to move that pick. Not straight away, but for a player and then swap 1sts with the other team.

 

that said I prefer they just stay at 9 unless they are getting some elite, proven talent like Clowney, Julio etc. in the swap. I just think they have done a nice job with filling holes in a strategic way in FA with solid vets at starter and depth spots and now need to draft some elite young talent as high as possible . Trading down adds quantity but lessens the chance of that. 

 

I am sure Beane would like to make a trade like that, but what makes you think he’s trying to get something done?

[Cripple Creek]

This team has signed 10 FAs. They have 10 draft picks. Do you really believe that they want more picks? More picks equals more roster turnover. Think people.

Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

I am sure Beane would like to make a trade like that, but what makes you think he’s trying to get something done?

Because it fits the narrative. Trading out first for a proven commodity equals a trade up.

[Scorp83]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

There's almost no legitimate reason to NOT trade back in the NFL Draft... it's just too rewarding! The only thing that trumps trading down is your guy being there, the guy you've coveted since day 1, actually being there ?

14 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

The draft is a fluid process and ALL options are on the table.

Exactly! 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Scorp83
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[Just Joshin']

Beanie does not strike me as the type to "take a trade down off the table" until he has to do so.  He will leave all options open.

[The Wiz]

That's where you're wrong kiddo.

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

Whether they trade down or not, I still have a feeling we will trade back up into the bottom of the first or top of the second.  Beane seems to like to use his draft capital to target specific players and move up to get them if he doesn't think they will drop to our pick.

[napmaster]

So if Washington (#15) wants to jump Denver (#10) to get Drew Lock or Daniel Jones, the Bills politely decline because trading down is off the table?

[jwhit34]

The roster is never full - if you can add a better player then you let the worst guy go. Example: if they draft an edge rusher/DE instead of Hughes, Lawson, Murphy and maybe Yarborough, Eddie's gone and draft pick sticks. Positional upgrade.

 

Nothing's off the table. I also like the idea of trading down and getting picks in future drafts. Conventional thought is that a 2020 2nd round pick is worth a 2019 3rd. If #9 rolls around and there's 8 players they really like then trade down as far as 16 and pick up a future asset. Maybe you get a 2020 2nd and a 2019 3rd. Nothing wrong with that. New England has done that for years that's how they always seem to have 10-12 picks (plus they get compensatory picks a lot). 

[Gugny]

I know the draft is still a couple months away, so it's a little silly to try to guess what Beane is thinking.  I think common sense dictates that he'll either stay put at 9, trade up or trade down.  Trading up might get us more picks later in the draft, so I think that's what he'll end up doing.

[BarleyNY]

25 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

This team has signed 10 FAs. They have 10 draft picks. Do you really believe that they want more picks? More picks equals more roster turnover. Think people.

Because it fits the narrative. Trading out first for a proven commodity equals a trade up.

 

Taking a difference maker at 9 fits the narrative too though.  Just was wondering if Yolo knew more than that. 

[Mat68]

I agree, unless they net a premier player I dont see a trade down.  At this time I think the need quality over quantity.

Edited March 15, 2019 by Mat68

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

We don’t need anymore 5th-7th Round Picks, but I guarantee you Beane would think about moving back if netted him a later 1st and an extra 2nd/3rd. 

I disagree.  All this means is that the Bills may sign less UDFA in the days after the draft.  Who would you rather have in camp...

5th and 6th rounders or UDFA’s?

[MrEpsYtown]

I also think they could trade down to trade up like in 2017. (Yeah I know it was Whaley, but it really wasn't). They moved down for Tre White and then got themselves 2 second round picks in Dion and Zay. They did not pick again until the 5th where they had two picks and once in the sixth. So six picks overall. Last year they wound up trading up a couple of times to get Josh and Edmunds. Then they had no second rounder and didn't pick again until the end of the third. They had 8 picks, 1 of whom (Proehl) they had to cut and 1 (Ray Ray) who did absolutely nothing and probably gets cut this year. The there was Neal and Teller, who are both development pieces. And ofcourse 2 UDFAs who made a huge impact in Foster and Wallace. Now the team is so much better, and there is no chance ten draft picks make this team. I think Beane understands that he can package assets to get the picks that he wants. 

 

So I think we could see a big trade down, then a trade up. Ideally, in this draft, you want to get up for 1 of the three elite players, or you want to find a way to pick 3 guys in the top 40 or so. 

Edited March 15, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

I'm not sure why you feel the need to waffle.  We'll be proven right on draft night.

 

I like waffles.

This thread? not so much..

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

 

What kind of dumb statement is this? If what a team offers them to trade down is more valuable than whats available at 9 in their mind they would still do it.

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

I like waffles.

This thread? not so much..

 

Ever check out Funk N Waffles in Syracuse? So good. 

 

https://www.funknwaffles.com/

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...EXACTLY......McBeane now has more options and trading down for an extra 2nd is STILL one of them IMO..............

It's actually a great option if there is a team that wants to move up.  

[Chandler#81]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Ever check out Funk N Waffles in Syracuse? So good. 

 

https://www.funknwaffles.com/

 

That place looks awesome! Is this a franchise? 

I’m really bummed ihop is closing so many places. Every time I go, there’s at least an hour wait. So the demand is still very high.

I don’t get it.

[Billzfan23]

If I were Brandon Beane, I'd be shopping number 9 for a lower first rounder this year and a first rounder next year. (try to get a 2 for 1 somehow) - the opposite of what the Bills did for Sammy Watkins.  That way, let's say the Josh Allen experiment goes awry and the kid goes off the rails in year 2 -  he has 2 first round picks next year (much like last year when he landed Edmunds and Allen).

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...EXACTLY......McBeane now has more options and trading down for an extra 2nd is STILL one of them IMO..............

If it happened it would likely be ammo to trade back into the first.  The OP did mention that.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

Get up for Quinnen if the Jets pass ?

Or if the niners pass

[BillsFanForever19]

If this were the case, you'd never see the Patriots trading down. Which we often do - even after they win a Super Bowl with the roster they have.

 

The best teams often cut good players. Sometimes even draft picks or free agents from that very year. And it's a good thing. It means they had good competition/depth across the board and were able to weed out the very best fits for their team.

 

This is a luxury we're not used to around here. As a matter of fact, we're generally one of the teams going after the good cut players. So the idea of having an abundance of players seems wasteful to some. But if we were to have too many free agents and Draft Picks - that's a very good thing come Training Camp.

 

So, no, it's never off the table. Especially when you consider we may want to pick up picks in later years. Or may need to recoup a pick/picks that may be traded away for a player in the coming weeks.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

With so many FA signings I doubt that trading down in round one is an option (unless it's combined with later trade ups).  

 

However, say hello to trading up if McBeane see a player that they want.

 

They can sit tight and get the 3rd best edge rusher, 2nd-3rd best DT, over draft a TE or they can go get their guy.  They will go get their guy.

 

Are you actually complaining about the quality of talent that will be on the board?  LOL.  

[ddaryl]

anything is possible.  a trade up or down is still in play...

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Imo there are 3 positions where the Bills are focused on drafting high OR making a trade to build their young core. So far they have drafted CB, QB, MLB, LT. They are going to go pass rusher, 3 tech, WR next. From all the rumors I think they do want a #1 WR though I’m far from convinced they will do that at 9 because I just don’t think any of the WRs in this draft are top 10 players overall this year. I think they want an established guy first but could take one in the 2nd if the right one is sitting there. They are also heavy after a pass rusher and 3 tech is a very important part of McD’s Defense. I think at 9 they go BPA on DL. 

 

If a certain elite level player falls due to QBs, unlikely but possible, such as Bosa, Allen or Williams - Beane has the stones to go get him and will swing imo. I agree the only way I see us moving down from #9 is a pick swap for a marquee player or based on other signings/trades that makes BPA at that point sensible to slide down a few slots

[Chandler#81]

12 minutes ago, Billzfan23 said:

If I were Brandon Beane, I'd be shopping number 9 for a lower first rounder this year and a first rounder next year. (try to get a 2 for 1 somehow) - the opposite of what the Bills did for Sammy Watkins.  That way, let's say the Josh Allen experiment goes awry and the kid goes off the rails in year 2 -  he has 2 first round picks next year (much like last year when he landed Edmunds and Allen).

 

Really? Josh endures a sophomore slump and we kick him to the curb? What exactly have you seen from him to even suggest he wouldn’t be worth a 3rd year??

[Gugny]

44 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Ever check out Funk N Waffles in Syracuse? So good. 

 

https://www.funknwaffles.com/

 

38 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

That place looks awesome! Is this a franchise? 

I’m really bummed ihop is closing so many places. Every time I go, there’s at least an hour wait. So the demand is still very high.

I don’t get it.

 

A few years back (5-6), I saw this place on Man Vs. Food.  Our local high school football team was playing in the Dome for the state championship (they won), so we went out to watch the game.  Going to Funk-n-Waffles was on my list of things to do.  We went ... super cool atmosphere .... I was gonna get the waffles they make out of stuffing and serve with turkey and gravy.  When we went down/inside, my son didn't want to eat there.  We went to Chipotle instead.

 

Luckily, his bruises didn't last long.

 

 

 

Edited March 15, 2019 by Gugny

[RyanC883]

I think trading is a possibility.  Say LB White is available.  The Steelers NEED an ILB.  They would likely swap 1st and give us a 2nd or 3rd.  That'd be hard to pass-up, esp. if we think one of the Iowa TE's is available at 20, and get an Edge before the draft. 

 

ON THE OTHER HAND:

 

Say something crazy happens like Bosa, Williams, or Allen is available at say 4.  I could see a trade-up.  The Raiders are crazy?  Perhaps Zay Jones and our 1st to trade up. 

 

Most likely: we stay where we are and choose between White and Oliver.  A great problem to have, IMO!   Then trade back into the first and grab an OT. 

[formerlyofCtown]

21 minutes ago, Billzfan23 said:

If I were Brandon Beane, I'd be shopping number 9 for a lower first rounder this year and a first rounder next year. (try to get a 2 for 1 somehow) - the opposite of what the Bills did for Sammy Watkins.  That way, let's say the Josh Allen experiment goes awry and the kid goes off the rails in year 2 -  he has 2 first round picks next year (much like last year when he landed Edmunds and Allen).

There is no Josh Allen experiment.  Hes a bonified QB.

22 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

If this were the case, you'd never see the Patriots trading down. Which we often do - even after they win a Super Bowl with the roster they have.

 

The best teams often cut good players. Sometimes even draft picks or free agents from that very year. And it's a good thing. It means they had good competition/depth across the board and were able to weed out the very best fits for their team.

 

This is a luxury we're not used to around here. As a matter of fact, we're generally one of the teams going after the good cut players. So the idea of having an abundance of players seems wasteful to some. But if we were to have too many free agents and Draft Picks - that's a very good thing come Training Camp.

 

So, no, it's never off the table. Especially when you consider we may want to pick up picks in later years. Or may need to recoup a pick/picks that may be traded away for a player in the coming weeks.

How often does NE has a top 10 pick

[Albany,n.y.]

The most likely reason there won't be a trade down is because by #9 the guys that the trade up people are speculating the Bills will trade down to a team that wants them will have already been traded up for.  Anyone who really wants their guy at QB and are picking below us will be trying to jump up earlier than 9th.  The main reason: there are at least 5 teams ahead of us set at QB and the QB hungry teams won't be waiting until pick 9 to make their move.  It's too bad the draft isn't in NYC, because I'd love to see the Giants fans reactions when they don't pick a QB at 6.  They'll sit back and wait for their QB at 17-Daniel Jones.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 This year no massive holes. Not unless someone like Bosa falls to sixth or seventh or something wild like that.

 

I'd argue our pass rush has been below average to bad for the last two seasons now. If someone told me the lack of pass rush was a massive hole I wouldn't argue with that. Whether that means going after an elite pass rushing DE or DT, doesn't matter to me but we should be looking for someone that can create that pressure consistently. Like the OP, I feel a trade up is a more likely than a trade back. But you never know. 

[Cripple Creek]

40 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Are you actually complaining about the quality of talent that will be on the board?  LOL.  

Nope, but why take 2nd or 3rd best on your board at a position of you can potentially go get #1? LOL

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Or if the niners pass

Sure, if we can. I don't know whether the Jets would want to let us up there for a fair price.

[Jay_Fixit]

I don’t see how you came to this conclusion.

[MJS]

I hope they trade down to the 15-20 range and draft a TE, then load up on offensive line and defensive line talent in the rest of the draft. Maybe a RB on day 3.

[ndirish1978]

Saying anything is off the table would be a mistake with this GM, he is just as likely to trade down as he is to trade up. 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

Saying anything is off the table would be a mistake with this GM, he is just as likely to trade down as he is to trade up. 

 

from what I get on WGR - everything is on the table. They try to fill most holes to go after true BPA throughout the whole draft. If draft is thin in an area, they go hard after FA to not get stuck

[John from Riverside]

Beane could just as easily do a Tre White thing and try to pick up a first in the next draft as trade up in my opinion

 

There will be players later in the 1st that can help us