dezertbill Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It's been McD's motto since he arrived. Now entering his 3rd year, it seems all the players have bought into his "culture" philosophy. McD has his trusted leaders that run the locker room, and they are very familiar with his message. It's been engrained in their brains and the team has pretty much filtered out any player who doesn't subscribe to it. Is McD's "culture" strong enough where....if we signed a player like Kareem Hunt or AB, that the locker room would be strong enough to handle the drama and outside noise to a point where it wouldn't affect the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Kim says not on my watch 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ForMacAdoo Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, dezertbill said: It's been McD's motto since he arrived. Now entering his 3rd year, it seems all the players have bought into his "culture" philosophy. McD has his trusted leaders that run the locker room, and they are very familiar with his message. It's been engrained in their brains and the team has pretty much filtered out any player who doesn't subscribe to it. Is McD's "culture" strong enough where....if we signed a player like Kareem Hunt or AB, that the locker room would be strong enough to handle the drama and outside noise to a point where it wouldn't affect the team? Kareem already signed with the Browns so he's off the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto Bills Fan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not yet. We need to win something first. I would be shocked (not yet sure if in a good or bad way) if we were even sniffing around AB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) IMO, not yet. I don't think anything about the culture will start to feel permanent until they start winning and can therefore be sure that McBeane will be around for awhile. I think they'll be here for quite a while, myself, but right now that's only a guess. They'll have to have an idea that that culture and those leaders are not going away in a couple of years, and that their approach brings success. Once they see that, the culture will start to seem permanent. Edited February 13, 2019 by Thurman#1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not yet, but if Allen continues to improve and establishes himself as a franchise QB, then players will come to play in Buffalo no matter how much it snows or as Jordan Matthews states there is nothing to do but make babies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 The process does not include drama queens and trouble makers. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Not yet going to take some time and winning for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JMF2006 said: The process does not include drama queens and trouble makers. Agreed. We not only haven’t seen it yet, we’ve let a couple go. We draft 4 year starters and team captains from college as a rule. There may come a time where one key acquisition puts us in SB conversation, but we’ll have enough process guys by then to keep it under control, imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 AB would never get picked up by us even if we had the money, etc. He’s said so many negative things over social media about players, coaches, strategy. If I remember he had taped some discussions in the locker room. He’s not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I think it depends on the player and their respective value proposition. Antonio Brown and his act would be too distracting and diminish McDermott's stature if he pulled the late arrivals and skipped camp dorm for Air BnB. I would welcome the prospect of 5 years of Leveon Bell in his prime or the last few productive years of Desean Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I think "not ever." McD preaches his culture and "the team game" philosophy. "Me first" guys are out the door. I don't see this FO bringing them back in. Judging by the drafts, FA signings and cuts, having 11 guys playing together is infinitely more important than having 1 guy playing for himself, no matter how good he is. We want stars, not prima donnas and you can't be both here. They want 52 Kyle Williams if they can get them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 McD and beane are trying to build what the Carolina panthers were when they went to the superbowl a few years back. None of those guys (that I can remember) were me first, diva type guys. I'd say newton was closest to it, but he never had off field issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: AB would never get picked up by us even if we had the money, etc. He’s said so many negative things over social media about players, coaches, strategy. If I remember he had taped some discussions in the locker room. He’s not worth it. The guy slept with one of our best player's wives. I cannot even fathom how AB to the Bills could possibly be on the table for anyone on this message board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I just want to win a superbowl. I don't need to try to be the Patriots where everyone falls in line. Give me a championship and I don't care how it needs to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I think the real question posed by the OP is whether the Bills now have a "self-policing" culture -- because that's what is really required. The Pats*** have it. I used to think the Steelers did, but not any more. It's a rare beast. The Ravens, I think, have it. Perhaps the Seahawks. And my answer would be no, the Bills don't have this culture in place -- yet. I think they have to experience winning and Allen has to become the true leader of the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Really good question OP. I believe that as the roster is now, no they are not ready. Take away Zo, House Money and we might be one of 5 youngest rosters in the league. Allen and Tremaine must emerge as the core leaders on team first. Zo will be gone next year and Shady so will be a need for leaders. AB will likley only fit in on team in the hunt, with a coach that knows him and with a veteran QB who can get him the ball. Tampa with Arians and Winston may be the fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 It depends on how the player is polarizing. This team could probably absorb a Richard Sherman type that talks a lot, but works his tail off and sets an example with his “work ethic”. I’d say “hard no” on keeping guys with massive off field problems (Everson Griffen or Hunt) out of trouble though. IIRC McDermott said every team can handle a couple big egos. I think a few guys like that are needed as confidence can be infectious. However, I don’t think Josh Allen has enough clout and presence to deal with a Primadonna receiver yet. In a way it comes down to established vet presence.... I guess I’d say our defense is likely capable of taking on a massive personality, but our offense isn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Steptide said: McD and beane are trying to build what the Carolina panthers were when they went to the superbowl a few years back. None of those guys (that I can remember) were me first, diva type guys. I'd say newton was closest to it, but he never had off field issues. Newton is amazingly stable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I dont think that's an issue on whether they are good/strong enough to sign someone polarizing. It's not the type of player this coaching staff/front office want to have on their team. They do not believe that talent will out weigh the distraction/potential issues of polarizing players. It's not that they can/cant handle it, they just dont want to have to handle it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 No. Too many variables and they haven’t won enough to have set an example for the “new” guys on how it is done. And with Kyle gone veteran leadership took a step back. 2 hours ago, BillsRdue said: I think "not ever." McD preaches his culture and "the team game" philosophy. "Me first" guys are out the door. I don't see this FO bringing them back in. Judging by the drafts, FA signings and cuts, having 11 guys playing together is infinitely more important than having 1 guy playing for himself, no matter how good he is. We want stars, not prima donnas and you can't be both here. They want 52 Kyle Williams if they can get them. As the great philosopher Jagger says, “you can’t always get what you want” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I do not think Kim is down with that. Her team, her call and I am Ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The guy slept with one of our best player's wives. I cannot even fathom how AB to the Bills could possibly be on the table for anyone on this message board. This is the EXACT answer when it comes to AB. Hunt would have been a different story and apparently the Bills were lurking on that. The Bills will certainly take on the right player (even with some issues). It just won’t be AB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The guy slept with one of our best player's wives. I cannot even fathom how AB to the Bills could possibly be on the table for anyone on this message board. 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is the EXACT answer when it comes to AB. Hunt would have been a different story and apparently the Bills were lurking on that. The Bills will certainly take on the right player (even with some issues). It just won’t be AB. Whoa, what did I miss? Whose wife? And I agree, the Bills will pursue the "right" guy even with issues -- Beane said they can't all be choir boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, eball said: Whoa, what did I miss? Whose wife? And I agree, the Bills will pursue the "right" guy even with issues -- Beane said they can't all be choir boys. Poyer’s wife cheated on him with AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Poyer’s wife cheated on him with AB. Wow. For some reason I had assumed Poyer cheated on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I think we'd be able to handle "polarizing" on the D side more than the O-side, given the veteran leadership in that room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, eball said: Wow. For some reason I had assumed Poyer cheated on her. From what is seems like, they both went wild for a while. Cheating on each other, were talking divorce, but have since made up, or something. I don't really follow any off the field stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The guy slept with one of our best player's wives. I cannot even fathom how AB to the Bills could possibly be on the table for anyone on this message board. First, Poyer was engaged to another woman when he cheated on her with his current wife. Second, Poyer's wife wasn't his wife (for another day) when AB slept with her. Third, Poyer just cheated on his wife with some local college student in Buffalo. Fourth, all the players in the locker room know all this stuff and could care less about Poyer's home drama. Edited February 13, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: First, Poyer was engaged to another woman when he cheated on her with his current wife. Second, Poyer's wife wasn't his wife (for another day) when AB slept with her. Third, Poyer just cheated on his wife with some local college student in Buffalo. Fourth, all the players in the locker room know all this stuff and could care less about Poyer's home drama. In the NHL the team will put a huge beating on the offending teammate. The Leafs have at least 3 incidents of this that are well known, the last one was hurt so bad he quit in the last month of a playoff season suddenly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Poyer’s wife cheated on him with AB. Now that's polarizing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, JMF2006 said: The process does not include drama queens and trouble makers. This. The Bill's unload polarizing stars. They don't sign them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: First, Poyer was engaged to another woman when he cheated on her with his current wife. Second, Poyer's wife wasn't his wife (for another day) when AB slept with her. Third, Poyer just cheated on his wife with some local college student in Buffalo. Fourth, all the players in the locker room know all this stuff and could care less about Poyer's home drama. All true. But I will bet you anything Poyer would care about AB being in the locker room. I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you saying Poyer wouldn't care? Or that it wouldn't affect the locker room? This is a wild take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, papazoid said: Kim says not on my watch Kim and Terry probably stay the hell out of it unlike Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Captain Murica said: Jordan Matthews states there is nothing to do but make babies. and what is wrong with the "process" of making babies? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 39 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: This. What exactly are you getting at here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: First, Poyer was engaged to another woman when he cheated on her with his current wife. Second, Poyer's wife wasn't his wife (for another day) when AB slept with her. Third, Poyer just cheated on his wife with some local college student in Buffalo. Fourth, all the players in the locker room know all this stuff and could care less about Poyer's home drama. Howwww is this something that people follow ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Well first it's outrageous to think Poyer is our "best player". He's far from it. Secondly WEO summed it up perfectly. That ***** shouldn't hamper them from making a trade. 1. I did say not he was our best player. I said he was one of our best players, which he is. 2. I gave you an out and you still took what I consider to possibly be one of the dumbest takes I have ever seen on this or any other message board. In what world do you think introducing a guy that is absolutely hated (you would literally be a fool to think he is not hated) by one of your team leaders would not negatively, and in a major way, affect the team chemistry? Edited February 13, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Were not getting within 100 miles of those type of players. Stay the course McB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, papazoid said: Kim says not on my watch She at least gets some props for canning Brandon!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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