Mel Kiper Mocks — 1.0 DT Rashan Gary 2.0 DK Metcalf

[dorquemada]

4 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

How is that infinite number of monkeys coming along with those metrics?

 

Criminally underappreciated post

[Mat68]

The old saying looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.  He has all the athletic ability but was never dominate to warrant a top 10 pick. 

The fact this guy is a top 10 pick and non of the Wrs are rated that high is comically inaccurate imo.  

[BubbaT]

We got us a Williams issue at the top of the draft! Can the Bills take all of them? 

Edited January 18, 2019 by BubbaT

[billspro]

7 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

The old saying looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.  He has all the athletic ability but was never dominate to warrant a top 10 pick. 

The fact this guy is a top 10 pick and non of the Wrs are rated that high is comically inaccurate imo.  

 

This take is inaccurate.

[MJS]

Such a lazy pick. People see the headline of Kyle Williams retiring and think "Oh, DT is a big need for the Bills now". We drafted a darn good DT last year and picked up a DT from Miami in Jordan Phillips (who we will resign), not to mention Star who we signed for big bucks in FA.

 

I would not be happy with an interior lineman. That position SHOULD be set, unless they want to bring in some depth later on or cheaply in FA. If we are going defense round 1 it should be for an edge rusher.

Edited January 18, 2019 by MJS

[hemma]

In 2014 Aaron Donald went at #13, but we needed a receiver.  

We sure showed them, by golly.

[billsfan89]

6 hours ago, Buff76ers said:

Top 5 D and bottom on Offense but Kiper thinks D is where we should spend our 1st pick.  Dude sucks. 

 

The draft is all about value. This draft is loaded with defensive talent, teams are always looking for more pass rushers and there just isn't a Quinton Nelson or a lot of other dynamic offensive players at the top of this draft. I hope a trade down happens but it take two to tango and one might not be available. I think the team will make major acquisitions in free agency on offense so I don't hate taking the top defender on the board if that's by far the best type of player available. 

[Freddie's Dead]

Another WTF pick for the Bills.  Let's hope Kiper finds an OL for the Bills in later mocks.

[Virgil]

3 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I'm not seeing two-down or rotational player.  I think he is a guy that could be a disruptive 3 down player who could play inside or outside (preferably inside)

 

That’s not how McDermott runs his line. No matter who the player is, he rotates then. 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

6 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

I personally suggested to Brandon Beane that on draft day, he should do what he thinks is best for the team.  I can't divulge anymore details.

enjoy those high-level business meetings and please share

[Alphadawg7]

I am not going to say we won't take a DT in the first round, anything can happen especially if we fill a lot of other things in FA and DT is BPA and Beane wants him.  Plus the combine hasn't even happened, so any mocks now are more worthless than even mocks later anyway.

 

However, I get tired of these mocks referring to "Kyle Williams" replacement.  First, we already drafted with a valuable pick his replacement last year.  Harrison Phillips was literally drafted to be an heir to Kyle and they are very similar players.  He is a promising young player who we just spent a 3rd round pick on.  He is going to be given the opportunity to be the Kyle replacement.

 

Additionally Jordan is likely going to be retained as well, who will compete with Harrison to replace Kyle too.  

 

So when I see these mocks calling for a "Kyle Replacement" it just makes feel like they know nothing about Buffalo or their current situation and further devalues their opinion to me.  

[Logic]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

Such a lazy pick. People see the headline of Kyle Williams retiring and think "Oh, DT is a big need for the Bills now". We drafted a darn good DT last year and picked up a DT from Miami in Jordan Phillips (who we will resign), not to mention Star who we signed for big bucks in FA.

 

I would not be happy with an interior lineman. That position SHOULD be set, unless they want to bring in some depth later on or cheaply in FA. If we are going defense round 1 it should be for an edge rusher.

In what world does multiple time Pro Bowler Kyle Williams retire and it DOESN'T become a huge hole on our defense?

Harrison Phillips is a 1T/3T tweener and hasn't proven he can be a full time starter. Jordan Phillips is an unrestricted free agent and, even if re-signed, has not proven he can be an effective full time starter.

3T is absolutely CRUCIAL in McDermott's defense. If you think a DT is a wasted pick, you might not want to watch the first round of this year's draft.

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

In what world does multiple time Pro Bowler Kyle Williams retire and it DOESN'T become a huge hole on our defense?

Harrison Phillips is a 1T/3T tweener and hasn't proven he can be a full time starter. Jordan Phillips is an unrestricted free agent and, even if re-signed, has not proven he can be an effective full time starter.

3T is absolutely CRUCIAL in McDermott's defense. If you think a DT is a wasted pick, you might not want to watch the first round of this year's draft.

 

Thanks for your opinion.

[Logic]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

 

Thanks for your opinion.

No problem. Given that we're on a football discussion message board and are discussing drafting a defensive lineman, I figured giving my opinion on said topic would be reasonable. Thanks for yours!

[Nextmanup]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Defense Schmefence.     

 

Wideout or OL all draft long please 

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we go DT with our first pick, largely b/c that's such a clear mistake.

 

 

 

[Rock'em Sock'em]

If we go DT, would you rather have Gary or the undersized, but play maker, Oliver?

 

[Augie]

49 minutes ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

If we go DT, would you rather have Gary or the undersized, but play maker, Oliver?

 

That depends. How healthy, and maybe more importantly, emotionally stable is Oliver? That year end freak out gave me pause. Have to get to know the guy, that’s where you earn your money. 

Edited January 18, 2019 by Augie

[Mat68]

2 hours ago, billspro said:

 

This take is inaccurate.

Which part? Lack of production, lack of Dominance.  If he wasnt the former #1 recruit in the country would he be a top 10 pick? I think it's easy to watch a game and notice the guy on the line constantly behind the line of scrimmage.  Not as easy seeing a guy running routes and getting seperation on plays away from the ball.  

[billspro]

28 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Which part? Lack of production, lack of Dominance.  If he wasnt the former #1 recruit in the country would he be a top 10 pick? I think it's easy to watch a game and notice the guy on the line constantly behind the line of scrimmage.  Not as easy seeing a guy running routes and getting seperation on plays away from the ball.  

 

In his defence they put him at DE in college. He would not be a good DE prospect in the NFL. He is a freak athlete at his size and has a chance to be an Aaron Donald type disruptor as a 3 tech. He will definitely need a lot of coaching though as he is very raw. I would probably prefer a safer pick, but this coaching staff did a good job with two very raw prospects last year. I am not willing to write him off as a bust, there is some special talent there.

[Chicken Boo]

8 hours ago, njbuff said:

Here we go with the 8,678,654,925 mocks even before the combine.

 

...and free agency.

[ComradeKayAdams]

Gary is the same height as Donald but half a foot taller. He might be a better physical fit at strong-side DE in a 4-3.

[Da webster guy]

9 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

Wouldnt you hate to pass on AJ green for Marcel Dareus?

 

what I’m trying to say is I agree with the sentiment but how do you know who the best player is?

That exactly what I always say in all BPA conversations.   How can you say Harrison Phillips was a better player than Taron, is a great FG kicker better than a great Olineman?   One thing is certain, free agency has a massive impact on who picks who because it changes priorities, and so does pick trading up/down.   

Even if everyone had a crystal ball and could see how each college player would transition to NFL three years from now, it would still be impossible to hit on a mock draft before FA and pick trades.

 

Although I will say a few mocks have us taking Ed Oliver and if you havent seen his highlights.....oh man is he a monster.

 

If we do pick D in the first, remember how the Pats shredded us for 250 yards on the ground, and it was more than just us missing Milano that day.  

[Turk71]

10 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Very likely this could happen. DL rotation. This kid can play anywhere along to dline.

 

6’5” 280 lbs, great athletic ability. Just an underachiever. Most blame is on Michigan style defense and not knowing what to do with the kid.

 

McD is known to tap full potential. If he could get the bulb to go off, maybe this kid be special.

An underachiever who may be special if McD can get 'the bulb to go off', whatever that means, does not sound like a good pick at #9 to me.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

To me Rashan Gary reminds me of Robert Nikemdiche the year he came out with tons of potential and not much productivity. I get that he was underused at Michigan but i find it hard to believe if he was that talented that Jim Harbaugh couldn't find a more prominent role for him. I look at Ed Oliver as Sheldon Rankins and Rashan Gary as Robert Nikemdiche, just my own opinions. 

[Doc Brown]

Kiper's first mock draft last year had us taking a CB (Mike Hughes) and a DT (Maurice Hurst).  Hughes ended up being the 30th pick going to the Vikings and Hurst was a 5th round pick that went to the Steelers.  We should create a 20 page thread about his first mock draft this year though.

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

That exactly what I always say in all BPA conversations.   How can you say Harrison Phillips was a better player than Taron, is a great FG kicker better than a great Olineman?   One thing is certain, free agency has a massive impact on who picks who because it changes priorities, and so does pick trading up/down.   

Even if everyone had a crystal ball and could see how each college player would transition to NFL three years from now, it would still be impossible to hit on a mock draft before FA and pick trades.

 

Although I will say a few mocks have us taking Ed Oliver and if you havent seen his highlights.....oh man is he a monster.

 

If we do pick D in the first, remember how the Pats shredded us for 250 yards on the ground, and it was more than just us missing Milano that day.  

Exactly. Everytime we face a strong offense we get rolled.

[MikeSpeed]

My issue with taking D-line in round one is that our system rotates players. So we are spending a round 1 pick on a part time player.

[ExWNYer]

13 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

Is that high praise for Mel high?

 

Mel and 'high' might belong in the same sentence...Mel and 'praise' do not.

 

(BTW...FIFY) ?

[WideRightRevenge]

I know this is a top heavy defensive player draft and best player available mindsets  ... but our defense was #2 in YPG allowed with for the year.  Now I love Kyle W and he will be missed ... but the needs are on offense .. so if can't trade down .. then overspend the pick on OL player ... where we did good in not allowing yards ..we we're 3rd from the bottom in total yards offensively .... attack the need please in 2019 draft and free agency ... help our QB

[CaptnCoke11]

17 hours ago, njbuff said:

Here we go with the 8,678,654,925 mocks even before the combine.

‘‘Tis the season.  Just deal with it ??

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

‘‘Tis the season.  Just deal with it ??

Its gonna get worse before it gets better lol

[Tatonka68]

Bills strategy is to sign and draft only players whose last name is Williams.

[BuffaloHokie13]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Kiper's first mock draft last year had us taking a CB (Mike Hughes) and a DT (Maurice Hurst).  Hughes ended up being the 30th pick going to the Vikings and Hurst was a 5th round pick that went to the Steelers.  We should create a 20 page thread about his first mock draft this year though.

Hurst was also diagnosed with a heart condition between the first mock and the draft. He couldn't even participate in the combine because of it.

[Rob's House]

I agree with Beane. Draft BPA. The only reason to draft for need is if you don't think you'll be around long enough to see your team develop. Better to have an overabundance of talent in one area than mediocrity across the board.

[SWATeam]

7 hours ago, MichaelAbdallah said:

Gary is the same height as Donald but half a foot taller. He might be a better physical fit at strong-side DE in a 4-3.

How does that work?

[Steve O]

17 hours ago, Woodman19 said:

You always take the best player.  Wouldn't you hate to pass on Warren Sapp because you needed a receiver more?

I'd hate to miss out on Warren Sapp by two picks because you beat MIami in two meaningless games.

[Alphadawg7]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Hurst was also diagnosed with a heart condition between the first mock and the draft. He couldn't even participate in the combine because of it.

 

Isn’t that kind of the point though on why a mock right now is mostly worthless?  

Edited January 18, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Woodman19]

18 minutes ago, Steve O said:

I'd hate to miss out on Warren Sapp by two picks because you beat MIami in two meaningless games.

Still not as bad as missing out on a Hall of Fame player Because you were trying to fill an immediate need.  I wonder how many teams regret drafting Rodgers with hindsight.

[DCOrange]

17 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

I understand that mock drafts, while fun, are largely an exercise in futility but...of all the pundits out there, has Mel Kiper ever picked the Bills 1st Rounder correctly?

 

2018: Josh Rosen (had Allen going 5th where Buffalo tried to trade up for him though). Also said he thought a trade up for a QB was likely, but he just doesn't include trades in his mocks.

 

2017: Haasan Reddick - he thought Buffalo would add speed to the LB core. Once again Buffalo traded the pick, which is something he just doesn't do in his mocks.

 

2016: Corey Coleman - He thought Buffalo needed a pass rusher but that it was too early for any of the remaining guys (he had Shaq going 11th)

 

Beyond that, it looks like the links are all broken now.

[BillsVet]

12 hours ago, Mat68 said:

The old saying looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. 

 

Joel Buchsbaum had some great descriptions of players back in the day.

 

Still, Gary doesn't strike me as a McDermott type player if there are truly questions about motivation.  

 

The other issue is, where does he play in the NFL?  If he's a base end in a 40 front that isn't much value at 9.  Drafting defensive line, it had better be someone who has demonstrated an ability to get to the QB and not someone who essentially sets the edge.