Josh Allen injury: “Week-to-Week” with elbow sprain; Returned to practice 11/2

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Thanks, bandit.

 

No problemo--it's worth noting that the sample size is very small though.  Only 10 QBs from 1994-2010

[zow2]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Per the study I posted, which looked at QBs with UCL injuries: Grade 1 could be a week or two; Grade 2 could be anywhere from 3-6 weeks; Grade 3 usually 8-10 weeks

 

So where does Tommy John surgery fit in to this? That’s what they’re talking about on WGR.  If Dr. Andrews advises that he needs it we won’t see Josh until the summer of 2020!!  Jeez 

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

 

So where does Tommy John surgery fit in to this? That’s what they’re talking about on WGR.  If Dr. Andrews advises that he needs it we won’t see Josh until the summer of 2020!!  Jeez 

It doesn't right now. Consider the source.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

No problemo--it's worth noting that the sample size is very small though.  Only 10 QBs from 1994-2010

 

...AND as fate would have it, Bflo increases the sample size...SMH.............

[Tyrod's friend]

10 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

So where does Tommy John surgery fit in to this? That’s what they’re talking about on WGR.  If Dr. Andrews advises that he needs it we won’t see Josh until the summer of 2020!!  Jeez 

Most famous TJ name this year? Jake deGrom (best pitcher in baseball). It's tough, but it's not the end of the world. 

[thebandit27]

9 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

So where does Tommy John surgery fit in to this? That’s what they’re talking about on WGR.  If Dr. Andrews advises that he needs it we won’t see Josh until the summer of 2020!!  Jeez 

 

Only 1 of the 10 QBs in the study needed surgery--it's very, very rare for a QB.

 

"Nine of the ten UCL injuries in Dodson’s series [28] were managed non-operatively, including three athletes who had complete tears. "

[Fan in Chicago]

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...AND as fate would have it, Bflo increases the sample size...SMH.............

That hit should have been called . Wasn't fate as much as a cheap shot on Allen

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

That hit should have been called . Wasn't fate as much as a cheap shot on Allen

 

 

...thought I read Riveron was in the Ladies Room at the time.................

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Only 1 of the 10 QBs in the study needed surgery--it's very, very rare for a QB.

 

"Nine of the ten UCL injuries in Dodson’s series [28] were managed non-operatively, including three athletes who had complete tears. "

The thing I go back to is that Allen is that rare guy whose rep is built mostly on having arguably the strongest arm in recent NFL history. Allen with a moderately weakened arm isn't a guy you draft in the first round at all. So he might be different than, say, a Philip Rivers type whose skillset isn't based on a rocket delivery ability. Just thinking out loud here. Hopefully Allen can avoid any surgery, but he's a bit of an outlier in the arm-strength-as-an-asset category.  He may have the strongest NFL arm I've ever seen, although I know Elway had a huge arm. Jeff George and Favre too. (So did Brandon Weeden, but let's not mention him!)

 

EDIT: This is just insane -- .http://www.stack.com/a/josh-allen-threw-a-66-14-mph-pass-at-the-senior-bowl-no-qb-at-the-nfl-combine-has-ever-exceeded-60

 

Also, check this out. https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/ . Allen hit 62 at the combine. Fastest ever.

Edited October 16, 2018 by dave mcbride

[Mike in Horseheads]

This morning the board had him going away to the farm upstate where he'd be happier

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

You (and your 80 total posts) will simply commit to the hysteria of the CAPS key.

BTW, nobody cares what you think.......

 

Well, there is that......

 

I used to review work product from all across the country, but I got a lot of that “all caps crap” in Mississippi and Alabama. They responded “I work for speed”. I suggested trying to communicate like an adult. I guess life is different in those parts. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[Steptide]

Wgr made a half hearted joke this morning saying something along the lines of "what if this injury causes him to lose his arm strength" and then countered it with "what if it makes him more accurate". Interesting to think about. Probably won't make any difference 

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen. I cursed for hours when they drafted Allen. They passed on Mahomes, Watson, and Rosen for Allen. Stupid. 

We should've sweetened the pot over what the Jets offered to have a shot at Darnold ( who will end up being the best of this class) or Rosen ( who will end up being the 2nd best). I don't even want to think about Mahomes. Makes me cry.

[Teddy KGB]

This sucks      Allen was fun to watch 

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

This sucks      Allen was fun to watch 

We will see him again vs Jags after the bye week (my prediction)

[Bangarang]

Please don’t start Peterman. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Please don’t start Peterman. 

 

Where is your sense of adventure???   ?

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Our Offense will be significantly better now if Anderson plays. We still may have a look at a season here. Absolutely can win this week with DA and should have at least a chance on the Monday night game. We would have been humiliated if Allen played in that game.

[row_33]

3 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Where is your sense of adventure???   ?

 

Enjoy the ride

 

[MAJBobby]

Well football over for me this season until after the Bye and Allen comes back. 

 

Actually might watch one game to see if Daboll’s 1941 Offense looks any different 

Edited October 16, 2018 by MAJBobby

[jkirchofer]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

Enjoy the ride

 

Exactly....we may have the pleasure of seeing the worst stretch of performances by an offense in NFL history.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Where is your sense of adventure???   ?

My local liquor store loves when Peterman plays 

[wppete]

I just hope Josh Allen comes back 100% healthy and his harm is strong and is not affected. Even if he misses the whole season. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Shut him down until next year and name Anderson the starter the rest of the way. Play it out and see what we have going forward. At least you can evaluate the OC and WRs with Anderson.

[Beast]

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Our Offense will be significantly better now if Anderson plays. We still may have a look at a season here. Absolutely can win this week with DA and should have at least a chance on the Monday night game. We would have been humiliated if Allen played in that game.

 

You forgot what Anderson looks like, huh?

 

 

[nucci]

On 10/15/2018 at 5:14 PM, ctk232 said:

While it's easy for us to sit here and say "culley isn't the guy to coach Allen" (I've said this for one), and "Peterman should've been cut." What else should they have done?

 

Going into the season they thought they could sit Allen a year and focus on internally developing him. We were all fooled by the preseason and thought we'd actually be okay with Peterman. AJM turned out to not be the QB we were expecting and threw the first wrench in our QB depth chart. But we all expected Peterman to have progressed to manage the team for this year at least, and combining that with minimal cap led us into the season with two qb's on the roster, fairly average across the league. Peterman flops and forces McBeane's collective hand to start Allen. Allen performs as expected and now we're all crying out as though this would've ended up differently had Culley not been the coach, or we had more talented players, or cut Peterman and picked up another guy.

 

With what cap would we have been able to cut Peterman and bring on a solid back up QB? Who's even available that could fit that role AND be better than Peterman? No way we trade and waste capital for the rebuild that we are currently in. While they aren't entirely off the hook, I'm not exactly sure what else could have been done. Where it becomes a fireable offense is how they address this with all of the weapons we have in the offseason. Not many excuses can be made after that. Idc if you're the literal QB guru, no coach could make Allen serviceable in this amount of time, and he needs the year to develop at least. But to expect anything other than what we are seeing is a bit ridiculous.

They went in to the season with Allen and Peterman. 2 QBs with little to no experience...this is all on them. All the excuses are crap...no cap money...no one available...

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Shut him down until next year and name Anderson the starter the rest of the way. Play it out and see what we have going forward. At least you can evaluate the OC and WRs with Anderson.

Watch our WRs look competent allofasudden.

 

I mean...Zay Jones caught a TD as soon as Peterman came in...

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Watch our WRs look competent allofasudden.

 

I mean...Zay Jones caught a TD as soon as Peterman came in...

I fully expect them to. Allen has been terrible.

[ShakAttack]

Letting him sit out for a while is the good news in this to me.

 

But the fact that it's an injury that relates to throwing, and now we have to all sit and wait to see if his arm strength is affected, that is what really sucks... especially because he is Josh Allen and without the arm strength, he may not even have been a draft pick period, let alone a first rounder

[transplantbillsfan]

Yolo, I really appreciate the work you do here, but I think it would be helpful to update your 1st post with links so that poor posters who come here for both news and chatter don't have to look through the most recent 8 hours of conversation where people are saying Allen is likely to have Tommy John's surgery and will miss all of 2019, too.

 

Like the link at the bottom of the OP  specifying Dr. James Andrews assessment via Tom Pelissero that it's not a full tear and that Allen won't need Tommy John's surgery would be awesome.

 

 

As for this situation, we can only deal with it and look on the bright side. First of all, the timing of getting DA seems fortuitous. Obviously we would have kept McCarron if we could see the future. We didn't, but I think 2 weeks of prep for Anderson is the better alternative than watching the worst QB in history trotted out there for the 1st half again before all hell breaks loose and he's inevitably benched. I still think we can and maybe even should win against Indy with DA.

 

(MNF against the Patriots is a different story--such a shame our 1st MNF game in nearly a decade in Buffalo will have either Anderson or Peterman under center)

 

Second of all, I think Bangarang said this earlier in the thread, but if Anderson can resemble remote competency at QB, I now think it's best for Allen to sit for the next month or so. I disagree with anyone saying Allen is already a bust and we shouldn't have drafted him because he can and has made all the throws and is also a fiery leader, but other than the Minnesota game, where he was really good (I scratch my head as to why those generally quick timing patterns with the occasional downfield shot that dominated the Vikings game haven't been replicated by Daboll since), Allen has been frustratingly inconsistent with his accuracy. Yes, I know that was the report on him coming out of college, but his accuracy during preseason and even to start the season was pretty good. The last few games he's missed wildly on too many layups.

 

I think he needs to sit because he might be a little overwhelmed at the moment. He's never going to admit that, but I think watching a professional who's started 47 games in the NFL over a 12 year career could be the best thing for him.

 

In fact, I think in retrospect Anderson over McCarron (5 NFL starts) would have been best from the beginning. Hell, maybe the Anderson to Benjamin familiarity actually propels our supposed #1 WR to show up for a game... or at least catch passes from his QB before it  

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

19 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

You forgot what Anderson looks like, huh?

 

 

No. I just watched a guy who is clearly not ready, look like a deer in the headlights and throw for 82 and 84 yards in back to back games. Probably leading the most putrid offense in the modern era. I’d like to have fun watching the Bills again. Anderson can play in the league. The other 2 guys haven’t shown that they can yet.

Edited October 16, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[TFBillsfan]

If the reports are accurate, it would make sense to bring him back after the bye week or wait another week and face the Dolphins. The next 5 games are going to be even worse. Not sure how McDermott and Beane keep the team tight as right now they odds are they may go winless while Allen sits. At this point it’s all about the future so no rush to throw him back into the dumpster fire on offense!

12 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yolo, I really appreciate the work you do here, but I think it would be helpful to update your 1st post with links so that poor posters who come here for both news and chatter don't have to look through the most recent 8 hours of conversation where people are saying Allen is likely to have Tommy John's surgery and will miss all of 2019, too.

 

Like the link at the bottom of the OP  specifying Dr. James Andrews assessment via Tom Pelissero that it's not a full tear and that Allen won't need Tommy John's surgery would be awesome.

 

 

As for this situation, we can only deal with it and look on the bright side. First of all, the timing of getting DA seems fortuitous. Obviously we would have kept McCarron if we could see the future. We didn't, but I think 2 weeks of prep for Anderson is the better alternative than watching the worst QB in history trotted out there for the 1st half again before all hell breaks loose and he's inevitably benched. I still think we can and maybe even should win against Indy with DA.

 

(MNF against the Patriots is a different story--such a shame our 1st MNF game in nearly a decade in Buffalo will have either Anderson or Peterman under center)

 

Second of all, I think Bangarang said this earlier in the thread, but if Anderson can resemble remote competency at QB, I now think it's best for Allen to sit for the next month or so. I disagree with anyone saying Allen is already a bust and we shouldn't have drafted him because he can and has made all the throws and is also a fiery leader, but other than the Minnesota game, where he was really good (I scratch my head as to why those generally quick timing patterns with the occasional downfield shot that dominated the Vikings game haven't been replicated by Daboll since), Allen has been frustratingly inconsistent with his accuracy. Yes, I know that was the report on him coming out of college, but his accuracy during preseason and even to start the season was pretty good. The last few games he's missed wildly on too many layups.

 

I think he needs to sit because he might be a little overwhelmed at the moment. He's never going to admit that, but I think watching a professional who's started 47 games in the NFL over a 12 year career could be the best thing for him.

 

In fact, I think in retrospect Anderson over McCarron (5 NFL starts) would have been best from the beginning. Hell, maybe the Anderson to Benjamin familiarity actually propels our supposed #1 WR to show up for a game... or at least catch passes from his QB before it  

If Peterman EVER starts another game for the Bills, McDermott and Beane should be fired immediately! The kid wouldn’t even make it on a team’s PS, let alone be a backup!

Edited October 16, 2018 by TFBillsfan

[aceman_16]

On 10/14/2018 at 3:28 PM, PayDaBill$ said:

Looks like we got the worst (less ready/raw) qb in the 18 draft. Giants are gonna end up with the best back Barkley and Justin Herbert, Oregon in ‘19.

?

Wow... nice "hot" take.  Why do these folks come out of the woodwork and have initial posts like this? It is desirable to at least have some foundational posts that demonstrate some sense  of football understanding before debunking it.

[ShakAttack]

This KIND OF reminds me of when Marrone had a great defense and was like you can’t seriously make me start EJ one more time so he finally got benched for Orton and it felt like any vet qb option was a massive upgrade over EJ.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Yes, and given what I know about ucl tears in baseball, surgery is a strong likelihood. Tanaka is the real outlier for partial tears; most get the surgery. And even he sat for 3 months while getting platelet therapy. 

As I understand it, sprains are usually actually partial tears and they don't "heal." I bet he gets the surgery. My son (pitcher) had a sprain and couldn't throw a baseball at all for 5 months last winter. 

 

when I was watching him on Sunday, i saw him focusing on his forearm and he seemed to be shaking it to find feeling. Plus his first throw after the hit was wild. Numbness in the forearm and wildness are the clear signs of ucl issues.

 

 

I suppose to the rational among us it goes without saying but TJ surgery for Allen would be a really bad look for McBeane.    Pegs hates the perception of being a dumpster fire and he doesn't have to look very hard to see the choices that haven't panned out.

[thebandit27]

Sounds like a grade 2 sprain then

 

3-6 weeks if that's the case 

[aristocrat]

So is there a tear or not?

[The Bills Blog]

20 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yolo, I really appreciate the work you do here, but I think it would be helpful to update your 1st post with links so that poor posters who come here for both news and chatter don't have to look through the most recent 8 hours of conversation where people are saying Allen is likely to have Tommy John's surgery and will miss all of 2019, too.

 

Like the link at the bottom of the OP  specifying Dr. James Andrews assessment via Tom Pelissero that it's not a full tear and that Allen won't need Tommy John's surgery would be awesome.

 

 

As for this situation, we can only deal with it and look on the bright side. First of all, the timing of getting DA seems fortuitous. Obviously we would have kept McCarron if we could see the future. We didn't, but I think 2 weeks of prep for Anderson is the better alternative than watching the worst QB in history trotted out there for the 1st half again before all hell breaks loose and he's inevitably benched. I still think we can and maybe even should win against Indy with DA.

 

(MNF against the Patriots is a different story--such a shame our 1st MNF game in nearly a decade in Buffalo will have either Anderson or Peterman under center)

 

Second of all, I think Bangarang said this earlier in the thread, but if Anderson can resemble remote competency at QB, I now think it's best for Allen to sit for the next month or so. I disagree with anyone saying Allen is already a bust and we shouldn't have drafted him because he can and has made all the throws and is also a fiery leader, but other than the Minnesota game, where he was really good (I scratch my head as to why those generally quick timing patterns with the occasional downfield shot that dominated the Vikings game haven't been replicated by Daboll since), Allen has been frustratingly inconsistent with his accuracy. Yes, I know that was the report on him coming out of college, but his accuracy during preseason and even to start the season was pretty good. The last few games he's missed wildly on too many layups.

 

I think he needs to sit because he might be a little overwhelmed at the moment. He's never going to admit that, but I think watching a professional who's started 47 games in the NFL over a 12 year career could be the best thing for him.

 

In fact, I think in retrospect Anderson over McCarron (5 NFL starts) would have been best from the beginning. Hell, maybe the Anderson to Benjamin familiarity actually propels our supposed #1 WR to show up for a game... or at least catch passes from his QB before it  

This is the major weakness of this board. It's awful.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yolo, I really appreciate the work you do here, but I think it would be helpful to update your 1st post with links so that poor posters who come here for both news and chatter don't have to look through the most recent 8 hours of conversation where people are saying Allen is likely to have Tommy John's surgery and will miss all of 2019, too.

 

Like the link at the bottom of the OP  specifying Dr. James Andrews assessment via Tom Pelissero that it's not a full tear and that Allen won't need Tommy John's surgery would be awesome.

Lol.  

 

People have to to sort through dozens of copy paste twitter posts form half a dozen “experts” all saying the same thing  by a grumpy poster and you have to ask Yolo to accommodate you?

 

Have you asked the same of him?