John from Riverside Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 All of the first rounders except for Baltimore are all starting before mid season is even here........... I realize that this will not be fully know for a few years......but does this look like the greatest QB draft ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 No 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Don’t know yet. Mixed bag from Darnold and Allen. Baker Mayfield has played one good game. Rosen played 4 minutes and looked okay. LJ is at best a gadget player at this point. We’ll see. ‘83 was a pretty good class. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Malone Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Well it certainly could turn into something special. I still wonder about Rosen. Idk why really but he is the one a wonder about the most. I just dont see any fire. He has that Jay Cutler type demeanor to me. But he could be great who knows. If it does turned into something truly special the Bill's were part of it again...just like we were in the Kelly draft. Edited September 28, 2018 by Skins Malone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 We will probably have a better idea in about 6 or 7 years. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 If three of the QBs make the HOF, then I'd say it's no better than equal to the best QB draft year ('83). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Elway, Kelly, Marino . . . Will take more than 7 years to say this draft is better. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 This thread stems from the thread asking if this was already the greatest QB class ever. I was not alive in 1983, and I was wondering how some of the quarterbacks looked right out of the gate. I won't count Kelly because of the whole Houston Gamblers thing. But, how did guys like Ken O'Brien or Todd Blackledge look? Did Elway and Marino look like world-beaters from the start? I know Marino sat for a few games, but Elway started immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It’s already week4. I’m not sure we could possibly need any more info to conclude this. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Buftex said: We will probably have a better idea in about 6 or 7 years. Strongly disagree. 3 games is a strong sample size. This is the best qb class ever and I don’t think it’s close. 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Don’t know yet. Mixed bag from Darnold and Allen. Baker Mayfield has played one good game. Rosen played 4 minutes and looked okay. LJ is at best a gadget player at this point. We’ll see. ‘83 was a pretty good class. Rosen looked okay when he had a clean pocket. When he was under pressure, he didn’t look so hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think the evaluation process was so different then. Blackledge especially, I have been a PSU fan since 1981 and I don't remember him being all that good, he was a good QB in college on a stacked team. I think scouts etc back then valued wins and team success in college more then they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) We'll find out in 8 years, but it would be a challenge to be better than 2004 or 1983 Edited September 28, 2018 by SMAKCruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Rosen looked okay when he had a clean pocket. When he was under pressure, he didn’t look so hot. Funny how that works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 It’s crazy to compare a modern day QB to guys of the past. Is everyone this good now a days? No, the rules have been tailored towards making the game easier for QBs and thus more entertaining. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 8 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: This thread stems from the thread asking if this was already the greatest QB class ever. I was not alive in 1983, and I was wondering how some of the quarterbacks looked right out of the gate. I won't count Kelly because of the whole Houston Gamblers thing. But, how did guys like Ken O'Brien or Todd Blackledge look? Did Elway and Marino look like world-beaters from the start? I know Marino sat for a few games, but Elway started immediately. Elway's first few starts were NOT good but then he turned it around. He famously lined up under the guard instead of the center, IIRC. Blackledge was arguably the best coming out based on his college performance (as Mofo brought up). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Funny how that works. Rosen isn’t very mobile and he doesn’t throw well while on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Mixed bag Elway and kelly later had rough nfl starts. Marino was ROY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I’m to old to remember. Over 35 years ago. ? Nothing is grabbing me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Blackledge's career completion percentage was 48.1. I know they let DBs be more aggressive but that's still brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 There was a lot less coverage and media scrutiny to digest and games really were the only litmus test but I feel their was a sense of change in the air which is similar to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Bay Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I remember Elway really stumbling in his first year. But I also remember him throwing INCREDIBLY hard, fast passes. He was known for breaking fingers. Marino went to a Super Bowl in his second year, and everyone thought it would be the first of many. The kid was amazing. Very, very quick release. Eason went in 1985 and got so shell-shocked that he never recovered. Allen reminds me of Elway. I don't know why. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Jesus H Christ. Settle down. We are not even 4 weeks into the season and you want to annoint these rookies as HOF's? Talk to me in about 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Marino was awesome, Kelly was dead to me, that’s all I remember. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Will take years to know and will take a hell of an effort to beat 85, or even the year of Big Ben, Eli and Rivers. I assume everyone here has watched the 30 for 30 show 'Elway to Marino'. If you haven't, do it right now. Fantastic documentary. That entire first round was special. So many great players like Dickerson and Matthews etc. and so many great stories behind the scenes. Fascinating that the Cowboys were desperately trying to get Elway, and for a time Bill Walsh considered trading Montana so he could go after Elway. Even Tony Eason got his team to a Super Bowl despite having a poor career. Ken o Brien was no slouch (25,000 yards over an 11 year career). Edited September 28, 2018 by RobbRiddick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think it is important to note that with the exception of Darnold the other QBs are playing because the starter in front of them has crapped the bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 There is just no possible way to know. Just because all 4 QBs takes in the top 10 will be starting by week 4 doesn’t mean it’s a great QB class. I mean, who knows, they could all flame out in 5 years time... We have a LONg way to go before we can even say that it’s better than many QB draft classes over the years that have produced good starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Josh Allen reminds me of a hybrid John Elway/Ben Roethlisberger kind of QB. You know, like a Ben Elway without John's horse teeth and Roethlisberger's raper face. Edited September 28, 2018 by Peace Frog 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: This thread stems from the thread asking if this was already the greatest QB class ever. I was not alive in 1983, and I was wondering how some of the quarterbacks looked right out of the gate. I won't count Kelly because of the whole Houston Gamblers thing. But, how did guys like Ken O'Brien or Todd Blackledge look? Did Elway and Marino look like world-beaters from the start? I know Marino sat for a few games, but Elway started immediately. Kelly was in the USFL for 3 years and lit it up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Marino WAS awesome, and Kelly was dead to me also. Marino was the cream of that crop. Miami just couldn’t get all of the pieces in place. Too many early round busts.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Kelly was in the USFL for 3 years and lit it up. Right. Kelly was great out of the box, but ... USFL. Marino was one of those guys who obviously "had it" right from his first game. Elway? That was rough. He looked kind of like Josh Allen in his first game ... Todd Blackledge hardly played. When he did the following year, it wasn't good. Tony Eason played a little and was awful, then pretty o.k. the next year. Ditto Ken O'Brien. So what can we tell from this? Well, I guess that the guys who looked ready right away actually were pretty damn good. Other than that, nothing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Blackledge never amounted to much. Kelly was in the USFL and off everyone's radar. Elway had some tough early games. Marino was the one that looked great right from the start. Ultimately, they had 10 super bowl appearances between the big three with only two wins.Those QBs dominated their era. You would have thought there would be more wins in the super bowl, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madbillsfan Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 (edited) Lets pin this for the next 15 years and see. Edited September 28, 2018 by Madbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 No. 1983 waves hello! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 1 minute ago, SF Bills Fan said: Blackledge never amounted to much. Kelly was in the USFL and off everyone's radar. Elway had some tough early games. Marino was the one that looked great right from the start. Ultimately, they had 10 super bowl appearances between the big three with only two wins.Those QBs dominated their era. You would have thought there would be more wins in the super bowl, though. Almost more interesting is how people assessed these guys after their SECOND year in pro ball. (And yes, I am old enough to remember) - Marino and Elway: both recognized as obvious franchise QBs and guys with HOF talent. Elway went 12-2 in his second year as a starter. - Kelly: I think everyone who was paying attention believed he would make it in the NFL. But of course that hadn't happened yet, so he couldn't be ranked up there with Elway and Marino yet. - Eason/O'Brien: I wasn't alone in thinking that the Pats and Jets had found themselves really good QBs. No, I wasn't fooled into thinking they were in the Elway/Marino class. Think Andy Dalton of 1984. - Blackledge: he just always looked like a bust. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 This thread title makes me feel old 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Elway was rough. Marino was a stud.. I was too pissed off at Kelly to watch the usfl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 40 minutes ago, Whites Bay said: I remember Elway really stumbling in his first year. But I also remember him throwing INCREDIBLY hard, fast passes. He was known for breaking fingers. Marino went to a Super Bowl in his second year, and everyone thought it would be the first of many. The kid was amazing. Very, very quick release. Eason went in 1985 and got so shell-shocked that he never recovered. Allen reminds me of Elway. I don't know why. Marino in '84 is the best season by any QB, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 48 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Elway's first few starts were NOT good but then he turned it around. He famously lined up under the guard instead of the center, IIRC. Blackledge was arguably the best coming out based on his college performance (as Mofo brought up). Tyrod also once lined up behind a guard, tho perhaps less famously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Why anyone is so anxious to entertain this question in week 4 of these rookie QB's seasons is beyond me. Mayfield and Rosen haven't even started their respective 1st games. There is no credible way to answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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