Punching Bag Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 8:16 PM, gr8billsfan said: im surprised anyone on the starting OL earned their job. Aside from Groy and Dawkins, everyone else must go. ESPECIALLY DucASSe Most professionals appear to believe opposite but they did so last year as well. On 9/10/2018 at 9:22 PM, greeneblitz said: McDermott will never let his adopted son go! He let handpicked coaches go who replacing coaches who were doing a good job so he will. Your theory is nonsense. On 9/10/2018 at 9:21 PM, Commonsense said: He wasted snaps day after day on AJM, who isn’t even on the team anymore and Nate P. who is totally inept. They haven’t prioritized Allen’s development. It is a shame, the only solution they attempted on the offensive line was Bodine. Another mistake which could have been eliminated by Beane and his scouts simply looking at his former teams message boards. When fans are desperate to get a guy out of town does he ever go onto have success at his next stop? Posters on message boards rarely show common sense. Fans are desperate to get rid of Vladimir Ducasse and professionals rate him the best guard we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 hours ago, Augie said: It’s a difficult situation because it’s more than a little awkward to say “Yeah, we know we have to go to Allen, but we’re not doing it until we think he can survive physically and mentally, so we’re just going to throw Peterman out here for a few more games. Let him take the beating while we move up in the next draft.” But that may just be what’s going to happen. Now, how do you explain that....without explaining that? Right, the coach speak is hard on that. You can blow off the media but how do you explain that to the team? You cant say that without killing the Olines confidence. He's gotta roll with nate for a few more weeks depending on how ready Allen looks in practice 17 hours ago, Mat68 said: I dont understand why Mcdermott wouldn't do with Allen what he did with Edmunds. Similar age both freaky athletes both a little raw. Edmunds from first day at mini camp was groomed by McDermott to be the guy, how to lead. While at the same time Allen was regulate to third and getting the least amount of first team reps. Now 4 months later after 2 quarters of the first game Allen who was prepared to play the least by the coaching staff is the obvious player that needs to play. Same blunder Obrien made, Lovie Smith and Jon Fox got fired for it. It's a pretty big indictment of his evaluation and expectation of the position. What QB went through that Obrien decision you mentioned? Agree on tc and ps. All those wasted reps on AJ. You can defend the NP reps..kind of.... still tho Smh. We kinda look like clowns for the way we handled FA and the draft as far as the OLine and WRs go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 1 minute ago, FearLess Price said: Right, the coach speak is hard on that. You can blow off the media but how do you explain that to the team? You cant say that without killing the Olines confidence. He's gotta roll with nate for a few more weeks depending on how ready Allen looks in practice What QB went through that Obrien decision you mentioned? Agree on tc and ps. All those wasted reps on AJ. You can defend the NP reps..kind of.... still tho Smh. We kinda look like clowns for the way we handled FA and the draft as far as the OLine and WRs go. Last year Obrien did the identical move with Deshaun Watson. Kept saying how he wasnt ready than after a first half similar to Baltimore Watson was brought in and they never looked back. Really only difference for Allen's performance was that Benjamin dropped the Td that Hopkins caught for Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 12, 2018 Share Posted September 12, 2018 22 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: At this point you have to wonder does Peterman know how to throw a man open, does he process things slowly & because of that is that why he’s not an NFL caliber QB? Either way his lack of velocity, questionable durability, nerves, and unathleticism attribute to what we’ve seen so far on Sunday’s. I’m not sure how someone with so few ideal skills can get many more starts. That's why Peterman's collasall struggles are odd since throwing the man open was supposed to be one of his few strengths? Allen starting this soon behind a terrible OL will have one of 2 outcomes. 1 David Carr- he gets the snot knocked out of him and never establishes confidence. 2 Troy Aikman- he gets beat up his rookie year and goes on to have an amazing career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realtruelove Posted September 14, 2018 Author Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/11/2018 at 8:43 PM, longtimebillsfan said: I hope you are right. Peterman's shot was his last. That's why they started him. They KNOW Allen is the #1. They were evaluating Peterman to see if he has any value at all. It's only a matter of time before he's replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 8:03 PM, Augie said: He let him get shot by the firing squad. He’s the sacrificial lamb until we can block a little, maybe get open once in a while, and hopefully learn to catch. It is NOT about the next game, or even this year. #SaveAllen On 9/11/2018 at 12:35 PM, gobillsatthebeach said: I just don't understand why they traded McCarron when the QB's consist of a rookie and and 2nd year QB with 2 starts that resulted in 5 pics in the first half and zero complete games behind a reshuffled, vastly downgraded O-line. They could afford his cap - they signed him. He would be no worse than Peterman and another player to take snaps to provide time for Allen's development. It’s wasn’t about the cap space more of a roaster spot , hes still cashing checks singed by Pegula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The NFL is a tough place. All Peterman was doing was trying to win. It didn't work out for him and that is to bad. It would of been nice if he could have gotten some success but clearly that isn't happening. Look at the bright side Nate Peterman in a way will always be legend, unless somebody else decides to make a worse debut into the NFL. I legitimately feel bad for Nate but it's Allen time and all I can do is hope for the best with the next experiment at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 44 minutes ago, Lfod said: The NFL is a tough place. All Peterman was doing was trying to win. It didn't work out for him and that is to bad. It would of been nice if he could have gotten some success but clearly that isn't happening. Look at the bright side Nate Peterman in a way will always be legend, unless somebody else decides to make a worse debut into the NFL. I legitimately feel bad for Nate but it's Allen time and all I can do is hope for the best with the next experiment at QB. You're right about that. Nate's name will be referenced around here long after most of the other names of his teammates are forgotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) On 9/11/2018 at 9:38 PM, twoandfourteen said: I can't figure out why the kid looks functional-to-decent in the preseason and then looks like a guy who won a "QB FOR THE DAY" fan contest in the regular season. I get it -- it's the preseason, blah, blah, blah... but still, he was able to execute the basic fundamentals of throwing and completing a pass to a receiver. So did EJ and JP. How is this something people can't figure out? Just saying I get it, preseason blah blah blah does nothing to dismiss the point of how the preseason is a useless barometer. You're showing you don't get it. Edited September 14, 2018 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/10/2018 at 7:05 PM, realtruelove said: Because he "earned it" My guess is McBeane already had Josh's backup on his radar and this game 1 audition was Peterman's last chance to prove he could play under "live" fire. They intended for Allen to start very early in the season when they traded McCarron. Watch them sign Paxton Lynch. McBeane didn't give anyone a real shot. The coaching staff doesn't actually know what they're doing. They're reacting and panicking, going day by day. McDermott says he's starting Allen because it's "what's best for the franchise" it's obvious he doesn't actually know what that is! Just a few days ago Peterman was what was best for the franchise as the starter...A week ago, McCarron being traded was what was best for the franchise. Last year benching Tyrod was what was best for the franchise. When it comes to QB's, he's just guessing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 3:16 PM, LABILLBACKER said: That's why Peterman's collasall struggles are odd since throwing the man open was supposed to be one of his few strengths? Allen starting this soon behind a terrible OL will have one of 2 outcomes. 1 David Carr- he gets the snot knocked out of him and never establishes confidence. 2 Troy Aikman- he gets beat up his rookie year and goes on to have an amazing career. I think there is a big middle ground in terms of career that exists between David Carr, and Troy Aikman. It is hardly a one or the other outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 Strengths Smooth, quick set-up in pocket. Grips the ball with big, 10-inch hands. Poised in pocket and takes the hit to deliver a completion. Will set-up, slide and then re-set before making his throw. Can cut it loose from off-balance angles from bootleg or play-action if he sees a winning option break open early. Full field reader. Works all the way through his progressions. Shoots glances at safeties to keep them in check. Strong natural accuracy. Able to throw receivers open and lead them away from danger. Can pinpoint passes to moving targets in his intermediate work. Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Great vision. Sees passing windows before they develop. Throws with outstanding timing and anticipation. Can put the ball on receivers' hands as soon as they come out of a break if coverage dictates it. Utilizes accuracy and anticipation to challenge windows on all three levels. Won at Clemson hanging five touchdown passes on their talented stop unit. Good escapability and can extend drives with his legs. Excellent deep ball accuracy completing 46.2 percent of his deep throws. Weaknesses Inconsistent delivery base causes some throws to sail. Has instances where he short strides and is forced to muscle it to his target. Will float some throws on seams and dig routes. Will have to be mindful to drive the ball on pro level to avoid the ballhawks who are lurking at safety. Has to prove he has enough arm to challenge the same tight windows he did in college. Ball handling a little sluggish in wide receiver screens, hitches and most RPOs (run, pass option). Wants to play hero-ball at times. Needs to learn when to air-mail throw and move to next play rather than trying to get too cute with sideline throws. Can improve overall touch. Draft Projection Round 3-4 Sources Tell Us "I like him. He made me a believer when I watched him against Clemson. I do want to see him throw live and get a feel for how the ball comes out. I never saw him in person and you can't get a feel for that stuff on tape." - NFC Director of Personnel NFL Comparison Kirk Cousins Bottom Line Peterman's experience in a pro-style passing attack gives him a head start headed into the league. His physical attributes are just average, but his accuracy, composure and anticipation are what sets him apart from some of the more physically gifted quarterbacks in this year's draft. Peterman's tape is sure to catch the eye of at least a few teams in need of a quarterback and he should come off the board by day two with a chance to become a solid starting quarterback in the future. Edited September 14, 2018 by TwistofFate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Kirk Cousins should sue for defamation. 3 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 His play didn’t translate into the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. No. People not to stop making excuses for a terrible Quarterback. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: His play didn’t translate into the NFL. He's had a tough start to his career. It's not over. Especially considering both starts were on the road vs good defense and the Bills offense lacked weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 We have seen his college scouting report many times, but who cares at this juncture. The Josh Allen Era begins! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. The same monsoon in which Flacco went 25/34 for 236 yards and 3 TD? Must've had the wind at his back all game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 36 minutes ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. Even when playing against the very best defences a quarterback can still show competence and traits. Peterman is not an NFL qb period..he lacks the physical ability and the mental composure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Well, hopefully the XFL took notice and he'll get a chance there. Seems like a nice guy, but I'm not sure he's even a viable back-up at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 47 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: He's had a tough start to his career. It's not over. Especially considering both starts were on the road vs good defense and the Bills offense lacked weapons. It's over. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The only time Peterman looked like a competitive player was the blizzard game against the Colts. Now, why is that? Well first off no one would confuse the Colts defense with the 85 Bears. Second and more important, with all the snow on the ground it slowed the defenders down which in turn slowed the whole pace of play down. I like Peterman as a person. I think the game just moves way too fast at the NFL level for him to process. No shame in that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. Maybe we can drop the Ravens from the best D list, after last night's game?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: No. People not to stop making excuses for a terrible Quarterback. I hope we can do the same for Allen if/when the time comes. That will be the real test for the fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 3 hours ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. No slack needs to be given. Hes been the worst QB Ive seen on the Bills in over 35yrs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The reason why Peterman won the job was because he looked good in the preseason & by the looks of the Bills secondary last week it's no wonder he looked good that should say something ! All that said they still should have kept AJ just incase something like this happened & they didn't want to throw Josh in right away it would have given him at least 2 weeks to see how things go in game speed ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 He was not ready to play in the NFL. His coaches may have ruined his career by playing him too early. He needs to increase his arm strength before he’s ready for more than anything other than a #3 QB role. I like McDermott but his Peterman decisions will haunt him for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Peterman NFL Scouting Report Strengths: Is scared of his own shadow when playing. Has no confidence at all. Panics like Beeker from the muppets at the slightest sight of pressure, but also holds the ball too long and gets sacked. Throws a weak, inconsistent, slow, almost sad looking ball. Throws interceptions every five or six throws. Is awful. Makes teammates much worse than they would otherwise be, even on really crap teams. Makes fans sad about things even outside of football. Has a stupid pouty face. Is literally the worst statistical QB in the modern era of the NFL. Reversing his completions and interceptions in his first start would actually improve his numbers. Threw an incomplete pass in his third start that actually improved his QB Rating. The most unnatural jankass QB alive. Is to NFL offensive success what Hitler was to European peace in the mid 20th century. Weaknesses: The above listed strengths actually overstate Peterman's value as a quarterback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Seriously, just bring a vet in and cut him. He should NEVER see the field again. Great guy, crappy QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 hours ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. It rained yes, but it was not a monsoon. There were several times where the rain let up completely. Also, if the Ravens are one of the best I assume they must have played the best QB in the world last night. Peterman is just bad. 13 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: He was not ready to play in the NFL. His coaches may have ruined his career by playing him too early. He needs to increase his arm strength before he’s ready for more than anything other than a #3 QB role. I like McDermott but his Peterman decisions will haunt him for awhile. No. You don't ruin QB's they either have it or they don't. Peterman doesnt have it, he overthrew a wide open crossing route last Sunday. It was nowhere near the WR and was intercepted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I’d rather have a team of EJs than a team with one Peterman on the bench. Stick a fork in him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Seriously, just bring a vet in and cut him. He should NEVER see the field again. Great guy, crappy QB! He was so bad, that the coach has to keep him for awhile just to save face. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 23 minutes ago, Gigs said: I’d rather have a team of EJs than a team with one Peterman on the bench. Stick a fork in him I had somebody telling me yesterday that EJ manuel wasn't a bad QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 4 hours ago, TwistofFate said: To keep things in perspective, Petermans 4 games in the NFL have been played against the best defenses in the league, (Ravens, Chargers, Jaguars) the other was in Blizzard, (Colts) with the latest in a monsoon. People need to give the kid some slack. The only reason Allen is the starter this week is because if it's going to look as bad as it was last week, it might as well be chalked up to learning experience for your rookie franchise Qb. Every defense is good. People are expected to make plays no matter the conditions, defense ect. Nate didnt just fail. He was all time bad. Twice. To the untrained eye he didnt look like he belonged on the field. I have absolutely nothing against NP. By all accounts hes a great dude. Hes not a NFL QB. Doesnt make him a bad person, just a very common tale of late drafted NFL QBs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 The list of "cons" seems fairly accurate to me. The list of "pros" is wildly off-base, at least if used as a description to describe his games with Buffalo. I doubt he's morphed into a different person; I question the validity of this report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Even if Nate gets a chance w/ another club, ,,and goes 11-12, 120 yds and 2 TDs in every pre-season game he plays in,.. his credibility is shot. He's the punchline to every joke about bad quarterback play.. for example , "Well, (any QB) was bad, but he didn't pull a Peterman!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Maybe the optics wouldn't be good if the Bills started Peterman in Week 1 and released him in Week 2. But couldn't he clear waivers and be placed on the practice squad? It would seem like Allen would benefit much more from a Chad Henne, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, etc. veteran backup, much like the Darnold-McCown situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: The list of "cons" seems fairly accurate to me. The list of "pros" is wildly off-base, at least if used as a description to describe his games with Buffalo. I doubt he's morphed into a different person; I question the validity of this report. Not that he morphed into a different person, it's just that the speed of the NFL game he can't handle. I think all "pros" on Peterman's scouting report were accurate...until he stepped on an NFL field. He was a 3rd-5th round prospect last year. He wouldn't have been a prospect at all if he was that bad of a college player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Quarterbacks don't improve at quarterbacking from "learning on the sidelines behind a veteran QB." That's just crap fans talk about. They learn by doing. As an side, I agree Peterman should be let go. This organization should be done with him permanently at this point. And don't hold your breath waiting for someone to pick him up off waivers. No one will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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