4merper4mer Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. 2 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3rd stringers made them trade away 2 first round picks?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) I highly doubt it. Mac got a big contract which I don’t believe the Bills have cap space jmo Mack is now the highest-paid defensive player in NFL history. The deal, which averages $23.5 million per season, includes $90 million in guaranteed money and $60 million at signing, the source said. The Bears gave up first-round picks in 2019 and 2020, a third-round pick in 2020 and a sixth-round pick in 2019 Edited September 2, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. ...probably.....pretty easy to see getting torched by AJ would raise cause for concern and eventual panic mode.....two 1sts and $150 mil sure trumped McBeane's offer of Bob Foster and a conditional 6th.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. I think you can really trace this all back to TPEGS hiring GMTM and the subsequent trade for neck tatoo.Terry learned you never trade a 1st rounder, let alone 2..for any one person. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said: I think you can really trace this all back to TPEGS hiring GMTM and the subsequent trade for neck tatoo.Terry learned you never trade a 1st rounder, let alone 2..for any one person. The situations are different with NHL and NFL trades. The Bills trades may not be perfect but I don't remember Kelvin Benjamin getting drunk and running over a Tim Horton's. I can't blame Beane for this and I'm not even saying the Bills should have offered as much as the Bears, especially considering the contract. But if the Bears thought about having a defense where they could be beaten by McCarron and where Foster could actually make a catch? That is not good. In the long run it might have helped us or hurt us. We'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 What’s wrong in the world today? How does this happen? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. Bro my god, you cannot be f’real, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 When the bills pluck a pass rusher out of this next years draft and we have that player in a rookie deal we will feel a lot better about not getting mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. Frickin' McCarron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 The 4th preseason game consists of guys who will either be cut, traded, or barely make the team. The Bears didn't go for Mack because of that game. Here's why the Bears wanted an elite pass rusher: 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: When the bills pluck a pass rusher out of this next years draft and we have that player in a rookie deal we will feel a lot better about not getting mack YOU in particular will feel a lot better.............for a good couple years at least......... even if that pass rusher turns out to be a complete bust. It's a nice looking draft for pass rushers John but ones like Mack are rare.........he's well above the level of a Mario Williams or Aaron Schobel so it's been forever since they had a front 7 player that good despite a couple decades worth of high picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigs Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: When the bills pluck a pass rusher out of this next years draft and we have that player in a rookie deal we will feel a lot better about not getting mack Lmao no. Unless that player is as good or better than Mack, that’s a foolish thing to say. That’s like having a shot at Bruce Smith and passing on him because you think there’s a decent enough pass rusher next year, who doesn’t exist. Mack is legit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. If anything that slaying by mcCarron should have yielded a player for player swap for Mack. No clue why he settled for a fifth ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Gigs said: Lmao no. Unless that player is as good or better than Mack, that’s a foolish thing to say. That’s like having a shot at Bruce Smith and passing on him because you think there’s a decent enough pass rusher next year, who doesn’t exist. Mack is legit devels advocate here...boy got his butt completely shut down by the Bills last year... I mean shut out!!! against our weak ass offense and that freaking idoit coordinator. And he be turning 28...and he just got paid $90M guaranteed. Let's judge this deal in two years..I for one am happy the Bills stayed far far away 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: devels advocate here...boy got his butt completely shut down by the Bills last year... I mean shut out!!! against our weak ass offense and that freaking idoit coordinator. And he be turning 28...and he just got paid $90M guaranteed. Let's judge this deal in two years..I for one am happy the Bills stayed far far away This. Pretty much this right here 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Yes. Yes he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. Why would anyone invest that much money into a guy 27 , who is undersized and coming off a off year? They gave up (2) #1 picks and then signed him sick level money, he may have 2-3 good seasons left in him. We are not talking about Bruce Smith or Reggie White here Just makes Beane look like a fool only getting a second rounder for Sammy who was only 23 when traded. Should have been min 1st rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I personally would have made a move for him. It was never going to happen though. Beane values draft picks and cap space more than talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. It was like the ghost of Doug Whaley without the wasted extra 1st rounder, or was it two wasted 1sts, I always get that confused... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I voted “?“. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Andrew Luck MVP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Just now, Niagara Dude said: Why would anyone invest that much money into a guy 27 , who is undersized and coming off a off year? They gave up (2) #1 picks and then signed him sick level money, he may have 2-3 good seasons left in him. We are not talking about Bruce Smith or Reggie White here Just makes Beane look like a fool only getting a second rounder for Sammy who was only 23 when traded. Should have been min 1st rounder Watkins has done nothing in his career to justify a first round pick. Should tell you something when a team trades a 2nd round pick and doesn't re-sign the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) Mack was over priced . See ya Edited September 2, 2018 by THE SLAMMER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. I think this is almost what happened. I think after the game the Bears were so impressed with AJM that they offered a package of 2 first rounders, a 3rd and the rights to the ghost of Urlacher (who is still alive). However, Beane saw the chance to mess with EJ Manual one more time, told McD "hold my beer" and moved McCarron to the Raiders. Once the Raiders got AJM, Mack became expendable. No,need for a pass rush when you have "Mr. Comeback". So, not wanting to come away empty handed, the Bears offered pretty much the same package for Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) I don't think so i believe that how McCarron being traded to the Raiders came by Bean talking trade with them for Mack & McCarron being part of that trade but Bean wasn't going to go with 2 first rounders so when that deal fell apart the Raiders decided to come back to Bean & take McCarron in a separate deal giving the Bills a 3rd round pick ... Edited September 2, 2018 by T master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 I dont think so. I think the two first rounders and the 23.5 mil cost us Mack. I wanted Mack too, but that’s just too much when we need wide receivers and an entire oline. We dont even know what’s going to happen to Benjamin. We might need a #1, and #2 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. I think the dismal performance of the last two games cost us Mack. Beane realized that he can't trade away an armada of pics, the first of which may be a top-5, for one player when he has so many needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 50 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: I personally would have made a move for him. It was never going to happen though. Beane values draft picks and cap space more than talent. Reports are that OAK strongly preferred sending Mack out of the AFC. Jets were very interested too. The deal would have had to be much sweeter than CHI offer to trade Mack in conference . This team isn’t just a player away, they’re in year 2 of a total teardown / rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Epstein's Mother said: Frickin' McCarron. Any relation to friggin Lonnie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 (edited) We could have had Mack over Sammy ? Edited September 2, 2018 by BillsRdue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 To give up those pics and pay that contract is insane. No player on earth is worth that and I’d be pissed if the Bills did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 1)I think Beane was reluctant to give up 2 First Round picks and a player. 2) The news that Mack wanted more than Donald probably made him shudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. I agree. -and I’m contemplating suicide.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 2, 2018 Author Share Posted September 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: 1)I think Beane was reluctant to give up 2 First Round picks and a player. 2) The news that Mack wanted more than Donald probably made him shudder. On point 2 I agree but on point 1 McCarron may have raised the price of poker. Maybe he could have been had for a 1 and a 2 until the Bears got nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. Crack is whack. Just say NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 Buffalo’s known drinking issues are clearly visible here! REALLY, a team as devoid of talent, especially at the skilled position should give away multiple first round picks (and this year it’ll be top 5) to trade for Mack, then hand him a $130 million contract. All this with a $46 million in dead cap space . Nothing spells success in today’s NFL like Buffalo’s passing game! and from this you decided that AJ MaCarons 4th quarter comeback in a meaningless preseason game was the reason this didn’t happen! Rehab! Check yourself into rehab! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted September 2, 2018 Share Posted September 2, 2018 3 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: AJ's spectacular comeback vs the Da Bears may have convinced them that Mack was a necessity and caused them to up their offer, leapfrogging the Bills. McDermot should have put in Logan Thomas for Q4. that is exactly how it happened! and i was so upset i damn near ate an entire box of crayonz! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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