Klaista2k Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? -Injury concerns? -Attitude? -Concerns about playing in the cold weather? -Was he just overrated in general? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Probably a little bit of everything and possibly that his ceiling wasn’t all that high in their opinion.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just open up some of the other threads and you'll find some opinions there. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuSeYiN_NYC Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Cuz he looks like a skinnier and uglier version of Eli... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 They didn't pass on Rosen. They liked Allen better. 15 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Maybe (going out on a limb here) our team liked Allen’s physical size, strength, dedication and football IQ more than Nosen. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 because he's physically weak and will be hurt in the nfl. allen was taken because the staff sees someone they can coach up into being a brett favre/cam newton type of player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills4life1924 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Athleticism prob had something to do with it as well. Allen can run/extend plays. Rosen can work the pocket but is lacking athletic measurables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Probably the same reason everyone else was passing on Rosen. I’m hearing the Cardinals were trying to get up to get Allen over Rosen also. Edited April 27, 2018 by CajunBillsBacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I think they just liked Allen's ceiling better than Rosen's floor. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I blame the portable hot tub. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Attitude, lack of mobility, and the concussions probably scared them off. I definitely preferred him, but finding my way to the Allen side today. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Cause he looks like a twig. My god ive never seen smaller shoulders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Entitlement. Nothing wrong with confidence. You have to earn your place and thinking he deserved this or that based on your entitlement your going to rub people the wrong way. You don't want a guy blaming everyone else if the situation isn't ideal. You don't want a guy throwing your organization under the bus if he isn't successful. I'm not saying who he is, but if you asked me why we didn't pick him I would use the word entitlement. This girl should sleep with me because I'm a star. This team should pick me first because I'm the best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just my thoughts but listening/watching some of his interview he comes off as a Tom Brady type person. Not his football but his attitude. He sounds competitive but competitive to the point where he would point a finger at someone. That's not the type of player they want considering they are relieving themselves of "me first" kind of players. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? -Injury concerns? -Attitude? -Concerns about playing in the cold weather? -Was he just overrated in general? Thoughts? Injury concerns/ Durability. Imo Buffalo was high on both of them and at the end of the day value Allen's arm and size for the November December home schedule. Allen is home in Buffalo. Long term Allen has a higher ceiling than Rosen. Allen's floor is higher because its assumed he will be more durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 His teammates didn't like him His college coach said they wouldn't draft him #1 He couldn't bite his tongue for 5 minutes after being drafted. Enough red flags for me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? -Injury concerns? -Attitude? -Concerns about playing in the cold weather? -Was he just overrated in general? Thoughts? I honestly don't know. For whatever reason, they obviously 1) had Allen rated above him on their board, and 2) had Allen rated highly enough to be worth trading to #7 So all we can do now is hope Allen is able to do what he says, and make the Bills "look smart" for believing in him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 TP laid the smack down and wanted a long term project because he may be inaccurate, but at least he was inaccurate playing in snow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Great thrower if everything goes as planned, like blocking, route running, weather. BUT this is Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, CajunBillsBacker said: Probably the same reason everyone else was passing on Rosen. I’m hearing the Cardinals were trying to get up to get Allen over Rosen also. For values of "everyone" equal to 2 teams needing QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) Not just Buffalo.. Every team that drafted a Big 4 QB liked other QB's more than him. Arizona, who drafted him, tried to outbid us for Allen, before settling on Rosen at 10. Personally, I feel he has a lot of Sam Bradford in him. A guy who could be a gifted passer but you better keep him upright because he's not very mobile and is very injury prone. Edited April 27, 2018 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
13player Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I honestly don't know. For whatever reason, they obviously 1) had Allen rated above him on their board, and 2) had Allen rated highly enough to be worth trading to #7 So all we can do now is hope Allen is able to do what he says, and make the Bills "look smart" for believing in him. 4 reasons, 2 concussions 1 bum shoulder 1 arrogant SOB with Ryan Leaf Syndrome Even if Allen's a bust and Rosen is great, he is 1 concussion away from the end of the line! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: Rosen was talked about as probably the best pure pocket quarterback in the draft. He was available for the Bills to grab but they passed. Any options on why exactly we didn't like him? -Injury concerns? -Attitude? -Concerns about playing in the cold weather? -Was he just overrated in general? Thoughts? I think, for anyone who wanted to listen, that Allen fit the things Beane has been saying he was looking for more than Rosen. IMHO, for better or for worse, I think Allen's physical attributes and athleticism reminded him of Cam Newton, and the inaccuracy issues were of less concern. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I didn't catch who was talking on my local sports radio, but he was a guy involved in scouting and drafting at the NFL level. He said that concussions are sometimes an issue that takes a player off the board completely. Maybe it was an issue for some teams in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 And don't forget, Because of "politics" and that he's a "jew". So I've read 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I really don't see how we can have this discussion without taking the gloves off and talking politics, religion, and the fact that California QBs just plain suck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Big C said: I didn't catch who was talking on my local sports radio, but he was a guy involved in scouting and drafting at the NFL level. He said that concussions are sometimes an issue that takes a player off the board completely. Maybe it was an issue for some teams in this case. I would think durability had to be a major issue. It doesn't matter how talented a player is if he cannot stay on the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 he's scrawny and miserable 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Cause he looks like a twig. My god ive never seen smaller shoulders. I was watching the draft and my wife came into the room just before the Bills traded with Tampa. After the pick I told her I was a little bummed they took Allen over Rosen and she looked at Rosen and immediately said, "he looks like he will break." Made my night. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I think McDermott was afraid to have a QB that was going to question the process when things weren't working. 16 minutes ago, PIZ said: They didn't pass on Rosen. They liked Allen better. That's not what Rosen's 30 for 30 will claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Magox said: Just open up some of the other threads and you'll find some opinions there. Whinger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Durability concerns, maybe some character issues as well? I also think that it is possible that the Bills simply liked Josh Allen more? Allen has the best are we have seen in a long time, Allen is big and durable, Allen has some speed, and Allen seems to be a bright kid with good character. Yes, his accuracy and footwork are a concern. But if you are a QB under duress constantly with bad WR's in an offense with less high percentage throws those issues do have a context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Don't know what their reasoning was..but I wouldn't take him because with the current focus on head injuries that guy is one head bouncing off the turf away from never playing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I thought the 2 concussions were the scariest thing on his resume. If anything could lead to an early retirement, it would be too many concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I would guess injury concerns and a smaller upside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasNootz Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Rosen is said to be intelligent, yet Allen had a significantly higher Wonderlic score. Rosen may be much closer to his physical and mental ceiling, while Allen has much more perceived upside. Rosen's size and injury history has to be a concern for long term durability. Sam Bradford is a great comparison Stretching it a bit... if Rosen and Allen are both Pro Bowl players, who do we have the best chance of retaining long term when FA becomes an option, and who is more likely to be a disgruntled employee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1. Allen has the greater upside 2. Rosen’s Injury history 3. The prefer the character/person that Allen is compared to Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 The Bills FO/coaching passed on him because they were afraid of a player questioning their stupid moves and game plans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think, for anyone who wanted to listen, that Allen fit the things Beane has been saying he was looking for more than Rosen. IMHO, for better or for worse, I think Allen's physical attributes and athleticism reminded him of Cam Newton, and the inaccuracy issues were of less concern. This is exactly why. It seems like McDermott and Beane are following the same blueprint they did in Carolina. Allen gives them a strong armed, athletic QB. Cam had accuracy issues in college and they were minimized in the NFL, so they think they can do the same with Allen. Many of us Bills fans wanted Rosen but it’s clear that the Bills didn’t want him. This is why we had to overspend at #7, instead of getting him later. Arizona wanted Allen and our team was not ok with that. I also think the injury concern was a big factor with why he wasn’t drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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