2x1st Round Draft Picks

[Bing Bong]

Get the best receiver in the draft.

[thenorthremembers]

14 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Dude people here are seriously clueless.

 

I'd take Rudolph in a Bills jersey 7 days a week and three times on sunday.

 

 

 

Its mindblowing.  Like I said I have no idea how these guys will end up but at least play with house money when its given to you

 

 

[Tatonka68]

13 hours ago, nucci said:

5 draft picks for a QB....and if it doesn't work out? How much did the Jets give up for Sanchez..

Then you try again, What if it DOES work? We tried it the safe way for 17 years, how did that work out.

13 hours ago, Bills Fan of Maryland said:

Bills have not invested top picks in the OL. They invest mid to late round picks on guys who other teams pass on and then regret their decision.  They drafted EJM and Losman in the first round. I only see one bust at OL in the first round. The rest were solid contributors for many years. A change would be to build a solid OL unless an elite prospect drops to us at QB.  I've watches the "elites" in this draft and come away with doubts. 

 

Buffalo Bills first-round draft picks

Year	Pick	Player name	Position	College	Notes
2016	19	Shaq Lawson	Defensive end	Clemson
2015	—	No pick	—	—	[3]
2014	4	Sammy Watkins	Wide receiver	Clemson
2013	16	EJ Manuel	Quarterback	Florida State
2012	10	Stephon Gilmore	Cornerback	South Carolina
2011	3	Marcell Dareus	Defensive tackle	Alabama
2010	9	C.J. Spiller	Running back	Clemson
2009	11	Aaron Maybin	Defensive end	Penn State
2009	28	Eric Wood	Center	Louisville
2008	11	Leodis McKelvin	Defensive back	Troy
2007	12	Marshawn Lynch	Running back	California
2006	8	Donte Whitner	Safety	Ohio State
2006	26	John McCargo	Defensive tackle	North Carolina State
2005	—	No pick	—	—
2004	13	Lee Evans	Wide receiver	Wisconsin
2004	22	J. P. Losman	Quarterback	Tulane
2003	23	Willis McGahee	Running back	Miami (FL)
2002	4	Mike Williams	Offensive tackle	Texas
2001	21	Nate Clements	Defensive back	Ohio State
2000	26	Erik Flowers	Defensive end	Arizona State
1999	23	Antoine Winfield	Defensive back	Ohio State
1998	—	No pick	—	—
1997	23	Antowain Smith	Running back	Houston
1996	24	Eric Moulds	Wide receiver	Mississippi State
1995	14	Ruben Brown	Guard	Pittsburgh
1994	27	Jeff Burris	Defensive back	Notre Dame
1993	28	Thomas Smith	Defensive back	North Carolina
1992	27	John Fina	Offensive tackle	Arizona
1991	26	Henry Jones	Defensive back	Illinois
1990	16	James Williams	Defensive back	Fresno State
1989	—	No pick	—	—
1988	—	No pick	—	—
1987	8	Shane Conlan	Linebacker	Penn State
1986	16	Ronnie Harmon	Running back	Iowa
1986	20	Will Wolford	Offensive tackle	Vanderbilt
1985	1	Bruce Smith  ^	Defensive end	Virginia Tech
1985	14	Derrick Burroughs	Defensive back	Memphis State
1984	26	Greg Bell	Running back	Notre Dame
1983	12	Tony Hunter	Tight end	Notre Dame
1983	14	Jim Kelly  ^	Quarterback	Miami (FL)
1982	19	Perry Tuttle	Wide receiver	Clemson
1981	28	Booker Moore	Running back	Penn State
1980	16	Jim Ritcher	Center	North Carolina State
1979	1	Tom Cousineau	Linebacker	Ohio State
1979	5	Jerry Butler	Wide receiver	Clemson
1978	5	Terry Miller	Running back	Oklahoma State
1977	12	Phil Dokes	Defensive tackle	Oklahoma State
1976	18	Mario Clark	Defensive back	Oregon
1975	19	Tom Ruud	Linebacker	Nebraska
1974	18	Reuben Gant	Tight end	Oklahoma State
1973	7	Paul Seymour	Tight end	Michigan
1973	26	Joe DeLamielleure  ^	Guard	Michigan State
1972	1	Walt Patulski	Defensive end	Notre Dame
1971	4	J. D. Hill	Wide receiver	Arizona State
1970	5	Al Cowlings	Defensive tackle	Southern California
1969	1	O.J. Simpson  ^	Running back	USC
1968	9	Haven Moses	Wide receiver	San Diego State
1967	22	John Pitts	Safety	Arizona State
1966	8	Mike Dennis	Running back	Ole Miss

 

 

 

 

Without a franchise QB the Bills will be in the same mess as the last 17 years. OL are unless they have a QB to block for, and Tyrod is NOT it.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Tatonka68

[Chicken Boo]

17 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there.  Worried about Josh Allen.  Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really?

 

In my opinion, the 2 worst 1st round prospects in the draft.  

 

Jackson is a 1-read QB and Mayfield might as well be Manziel part deux.

 

After passing on a guy like Watson, I can guarantee you McBeane isn't interested in Lamar or Baker.

[ROONDOGG55]

17 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I like Mayfield and Jackson as qbs that might be there.  Worried about Josh Allen.  Looks like Tarzan, accuracy of Jane, but who knows, really?

I think Josh Allen would be a great candidate to sit behind an Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, or Alex Smith. We should be able to get him later in the first round too Go get Vita Vea with the other first round pick.

[BillsFan2313]

16 hours ago, bigK14094 said:

Whaley's ghost is in the building.................its saying  "remember Sammy Watkins..." NO MORE TRADE UPS!!!

 

Right? 

I mean in year two of Goff and Wentz, LA and Philly really regret their decisions to trade up. 

[papazoid]

sign Cousins and keep all your picks....bills have way to many needs

[Theshallowcross]

Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. 

 

Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him. 

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, ROONDOGG55 said:

I think Josh Allen would be a great candidate to sit behind an Eli Manning, Sam Bradford, or Alex Smith. We should be able to get him later in the first round too Go get Vita Vea with the other first round pick.

I don' t claim to be a qb expert.  I liked Watson and Mahomes in the last draft.  Folks that seem more astute than I such as GunnerBill are not high on Allen.  Not sure if inaccuracy is curable or not, but it's one of the important traits you want.  Whoever is drafted (and I am assuming we will draft a qb high) bringing in a vet like you suggest is a good idea.  (I also surmise Tyrod is unlikely to be back.)

1 hour ago, papazoid said:

sign Cousins and keep all your picks....bills have way to many needs

Certainly prefereable to the idea of "building around Tyrod."

Edited November 29, 2017 by Dr. Who

[ROONDOGG55]

23 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I don' t claim to be a qb expert.  I liked Watson and Mahomes in the last draft.  Folks that seem more astute than I such as GunnerBill are not high on Allen.  Not sure if inaccuracy is curable or not, but it's one of the important traits you want.  Whoever is drafted (and I am assuming we will draft a qb high) bringing in a vet like you suggest is a good idea.  (I also surmise Tyrod is unlikely to be back.)

I am definitely not a QB expert either, but I think the guy has all the tools to play well. I think Aaron Rogers had accuracy issues coming out of college, but he seemed to fix his throwing motion which I assume corrected his accuracy issues. Me personally, I believe accuracy issues can always be corrected if the player has the ability to unlearn bad habits. Some guys just can't seem to let go. Brady had to go through a similar adjustment, and made it his everyday process. I remember commentators and analysts comparing his throwing motion from the beginning of his career to his 5th and 6th season as a starter. You will notice a drastic change in his yearly statistics between those times as well. Either way I believe any guy with skills can be successful with the right mindset. Hopefully if and when we pick our guy he has that drive and the ability to make the necessary changes in his game to succeed.

[ndirish1978]

I'm actually pretty surprised by most of the posts in this thread. All year all I read on this board is how we HAVE to get a franchise QB and we're crazy not to try and get a franchise QB and why haven't we tried to get a franchise QB ... and now most of you are saying you don't want to trade picks?

[The Jokeman]

20 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I like the Rams' move a lot better as a model for what we could potentially do.

 

Rams gave up:
#15 Overall

2nd Round (43)

2nd Round (45)

3rd Round (76)

Next Year's 1st

Next Year's 3rd

 

Titans gave up:

#1 Overall

4th Round (113)

6th Round (177)

 

If we did the same that would leave us with:

1st overall Selection

KC's 1st Rounder

2 4ths

2 5ths

1 6th

what about Carolina's 7th we got in the Seymour trade?

Edited November 29, 2017 by The Jokeman
Correction: The 7th we got for Seymour was in 2019

[Sweats]

To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs.

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, Theshallowcross said:

Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. 

 

Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him. 

Tyrod would only be ok as a bridge to a better QB. If you can get a QB you get him. They already passed on drafting Watson. The difference between HOU offense's numbers with and without Watson is remarkable. Can't keep passing on Quarterbacks. Certainly not because they have Tyrod Taylor. 

4 minutes ago, Sweats said:

To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs.

Probably can't address everything in this offseason. If they  can get a QB, they have to take one. 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Boatdrinks

[teef]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Tyrod would only be ok as a bridge to a better QB. If you can get a QB you get him. They already passed on drafting Watson. The difference between HOU offense's numbers with and without Watson is remarkable. Can't keep passing on Quarterbacks. Certainly not because they have Tyrod Taylor. 

this is the main point.  i like taylor as a qb, but he's certainly not a guy you build a team around.  

[McBean]

22 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said:

I agree. We need to fill the holes on the O and D lines. We can't give away top picks with so many needs.

 

The ol "let's build at other places" argument.

 

We've tried building around the QB position for years.

 

How has that worked for us?

[Tatonka68]

15 minutes ago, Sweats said:

To make any QB play in the draft, were going to have to give up anywhere from 3 to 5 picks...........weve got a lot of holes to fill on our whole roster, so that leaves us nothing for filling our needs.

So what that is what 2019 draft is about. Multiple drafts needed to build a playoff team.

4 hours ago, Theshallowcross said:

Too many times too many people get enamored with Big 12 QBs. Between putting up huge numbers in an offense designed to put up huge numbers in college (Air Raid) and QBs not taking snaps from under center, it's no surprise that Big 12 QBs fizzle out consistently. 

 

Here is a novel idea, keep Tyrod and use those 5 premium picks to build around him. 

Build around Mr. 56 yard check down Charile, who cannot even throw for 100 yards against the Saints. NO WAY!

[Southern Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, McBean said:

 

The ol "let's build at other places" argument.

 

We've tried building around the QB position for years.

 

How has that worked for us?

Ok?, how has drafting a QB high with no offensive line worked out for top picks like David Carr, Joey Harrington or Rick Mirer? They were all "can't miss" guys.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Southern Bills Fan

[Theshallowcross]

54 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

So what that is what 2019 draft is about. Multiple drafts needed to build a playoff team.

Build around Mr. 56 yard check down Charile, who cannot even throw for 100 yards against the Saints. NO WAY!

 

Good thing you're not in charge of these things considering you're unaware of how actual NFL offense and the structure of an offense work. 

 

Edited November 29, 2017 by Theshallowcross

[Shaw66]

On 11/28/2017 at 3:01 PM, Dr. Who said:

Yikes.  That's a heavy price for a team with lots of holes to fill.  You're not trading into Cleveland or the Giants' spot, so you're likely looking at the third best qb on the board.

This is really the point.   Unless Geno goes on a five-game winning streak, the Browns and Giants are both taking QBs.   I'll trade up for the best QB in the draft, but not the third best.   If he falls to me, fine.   

 

And I doubt that the Bills and Chiefs picks alone will get you up to 5.  

2 hours ago, teef said:

this is the main point.  i like taylor as a qb, but he's certainly not a guy you build a team around.  

However, I keep Taylor until I have someone better.   

 

That's why benching him was so costly.  It almost certainly means that he's gone after next season (because Taylor isn't going to stick with these coaches) and that, in turn, forces the Bills to find a QB in this off-season.   That's why they may feel compelled to trade up, and trading up probably means using both first round picks and maybe a second or next year's first.     

 

If they hadn't burned bridges with Taylor, they would be much more comfortable taking a good QB when it was their turn and used other picks to fill holes.   

[Buffalo03]

How does that draft chart work if we were to throw in a 2019 first rounder? Just curious

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, Buffalo03 said:

How does that draft chart work if you were to throw in a 2019 first rounder as well? I can definitely see us trading up with San Francisco if we give them both firsts and throw in our first in 2019

Generally speaking a pick next year is worth 1 less round than this year, and the middle of the round. So a 2019 1st would be valued around pick 48 in the 2018 draft.

[CommonCents]

I'm not a Mayfield guy but if he is there at either first round pick they need to run up to the podium. I think the Giants/Browns will take the top two QBs, doubt Mayfield makes it down into the middle of the first round.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Rudolph. Size, strength, accuracy.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Rudolph is a JAG.  Colt Brennan mixed with Colt McCoy mixed with Sean Mannion.

Edited November 29, 2017 by Coach Tuesday

[Canadian Bills Fan]

Josh Rosen please

 

 

 

CBF

[BigBuff423]

I certainly hope the Bills Draft a QB, but before we can adequately discuss trading up, the season really does need to end to determine Draft position AND FA period needs to have had at least a couple weeks to filter through what the Bills have addressed without giving up Draft capital.

 

Also, I'm hoping if they were to go "all in" on a QB and trade up, might as well go the full distance to get a guy that is better than Rudolph, otherwise wait for a guy like Josh Allen or Ryan Finley. 

[Dkollidas]

I think the guy they want in a perfect scenario is Darnold. Can they move up to get him? I’m not sure, but if they do, a lot of the issues we talk about won’t be as big of issues within a year or so. 

 

Also, possibly dealing Tyrod and Glenn could help recoup some of the picks they lose in a potential trade up? (Not picks of the same quality, but at least to bring in quantity). 

[papazoid]

On ‎11‎/‎28‎/‎2017 at 2:37 PM, Tatonka68 said:

The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this?

 

1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S.

 

then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST.

 

                        

 

 

 

 

 

 

most of the time I don't like trading up, let the draft come to you or trade down....spread the risk of injury and salary cap over more players

 

i'd pick Baker Mayfield with one of our late 1st....he's the next drew brees.

 

Rudolph will be a 2nd round pick

 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

On 11/28/2017 at 8:11 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve seen him about 4 or 5 times this year and he does nothing for me. QBs are all over he place though in terms of opinions. I’ve seen Lamar Jackson as high as 1 and others that hate him. I like him quite a bit as a prospect. I want one of the 2 California kids, Mayfield or Jackson. 

 

I had Rudolph as high as my QB2 at one point. I think as the season has gone one his issues have risen to the surface a little bit. I think he struggles with pressure.... and I mean of both kinds. Doesn't like rushers in his face tends to sail balls high in that scenario that will be picked off by ball hawking NFL safeties. But he also doesn't like mental pressure. I thought for much of Beldam he outplayed Baker Mayfield.... but when the game was on the line in the 4th Quarter one guy raised his level and the other dropped his. One of the things that won me round to Dak Prescott and one of the reasons I was so high on Deshaun Watson was they played their best in the biggest moments  

 

That said I am still higher than plenty of people in this thread on Rudolph. He is my QB4 and has an end of the 1st / top of the 2nd grade on my board. Think he would benefit not being rushed to start and also think he is a realistic target for Buffalo. I would not be on board with Jackson in the 1st. Still too much projection and guess work there and if we draft Josh Allen in the first I will find the nearest wall and bang my head against it repeatedly for the rest of Draft weekend. The people seeing Carson Wentz there should be seeing JP Losman. 

Edited November 30, 2017 by GunnerBill

[Buffalo Barbarian]

On 11/28/2017 at 2:37 PM, Tatonka68 said:

The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this?

 

1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S.

 

then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST.

 

                        

 

 

 

 

Almost.

 

Baker Mayfield

[Dkollidas]

2018 1st 18th 900

2018 1st 21st 800

2018 2nd 28th 300

2019 3rd 18th 180

2019 4th 18th 66pts

OT Cordy Glenn 200pts (End of 3rd Round Pick)

2446pts. according to Draft chart.

 

Glenn is a guess in his value, I figure he’s younger and has missed as many games as Duane Brown, so should have similar value, and this is low-balling that.

 

could this get us close to #2? Jump the Giants and take whomever of Darnold/Rosen is left?

 

In this case we could also trade Tyrod for whatever pick(s) we could get. Maybe a 3rd??? 

 

 

[CuddyDark]

On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 4:08 PM, joesixpack said:

Rudolph. Size, strength, accuracy.

 

Never plays under center. Has slow eyes like EJ. Is not the kind of QB they want for this offense.

[Kmart128]

Taking a 2nd to 3rd round QB 6th overall is dumb.

 

And Darnold should stay another year

[benderbender]

Darnold is in a hell of a situation. If he comes out, he risks being taken by Cleveland or the Giants. A huge gamble

Edited December 2, 2017 by benderbender

[Logic]

I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there.

Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years.

During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital.

QB or bust 2018!

[CuddyDark]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there.

Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years.

During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital.

QB or bust 2018!

If he's there, you are correct and I agree. If we take a QB because he's a QB I disagree.

[Dkollidas]

14 minutes ago, Logic said:

I am all for drafting a QB at all costs (including an epic trade-up) IF the Bills believe there's a franchise guy sitting there.

Why? Well, I don't disagree for a moment that the Bills have many needs, but it's really simple in the end: The NFL is a quarterback's league. You either have one -- and your team is a perennial contender for 10+ years -- or you don't, and you hope to get in on a Wild Card every couple of years.

During the drought, the Bills have -- at time -- had good defenses, good running games, good skill players, good linemen....the one constant is no franchise QB. This has to end at all costs. If the team AROUND said QB isn't ideal in year 1, it's okay. We've got to get the guy in the building, and we aren't likely to have a better opportunity to do so than next year, given all of our draft capital.

QB or bust 2018!

 

I agree. And I think Beane and McDermott agree. It’s why they accumulated so much Draft capital. They know it’s a quarterback league. They had Cam Newton in a division with guys like Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Jameis Winston. 

 

San Francisco is in prime position to move down as well. 

[KD in CA]

Problem will be finding a trade partner.  Giants will not trade down no matter what the offer.  And I’d be surprised if Cleveland made the same mistake yet again.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

Problem will be finding a trade partner.  Giants will not trade down no matter what the offer.  And I’d be surprised if Cleveland made the same mistake yet again.

The wild card with the Giants is that we don't know what the coaching situation will be there next year and whether or not said coach (I'm guessing it won't be McAdoo) will want to do with Eli Manning.

That said, it's probably safe to assume the Giants and Browns both draft QBs. It's in the best interests of Bills fans to hope the 49ers get a top 3 pick, because they seem like prime partners to trade down, given their acquisition of Jimmy G.