2x1st Round Draft Picks

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Troll again.

 

Sorry man, but you're nuts if you think Rudolph lasts to the third or fourth.

 

And since the market sets the price, I'm CERTAIN he's taken in the first.

 

[ctk232]

1 hour ago, cage said:

I absolutely HATE the idea of trading up for a QB.  No problem taking one in the first round when you pick, but trading up is asking for trouble.  QBs are a crapshoot even if you're picking in the top 5, giving away multiple picks to roll the dice is a bad move.

Too bad half the board disagrees with this and thinks we should trade away as many picks as possible and our firstborn child to grab a top QB....as if just drafting one in the top 5 guarantees he's the future solution

[Utah John]

Here's another thought.  Build an O line like Dallas has, and THEN draft your stud QB later.  Taylor is adequate and is not the reason the Bills usually can't play defense.  Keep him around while the immense holes in the lines, LB, and WR  get patched.  Take the QB in 2019 and let him excel behind a strong O line. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Utah John said:

Here's another thought.  Build an O line like Dallas has, and THEN draft your stud QB later.  Taylor is adequate and is not the reason the Bills usually can't play defense.  Keep him around while the immense holes in the lines, LB, and WR  get patched.  Take the QB in 2019 and let him excel behind a strong O line. 

No No No No No No No No No No

 

that's exactly what the Bills have done for their entire existence. Draft EVERYTHING but QB.

 

Time to do things differently.

 

[CEN-CAL17]

Rudolph won’t go in the first....

 

Top 10 are Darnold and Rosen, 10-15 maybe Jackson and Mayfield, Maybe...

 

I think,

 

Jackson, Mayfield and Allen should be there15-20, at least 2 if the 3.

 

2nd Round look for guys like Mason Rudolph, Ryan Finley, Riley Ferguson

 

3rd Round Will Grier

 

5th Tanner Lee, Chase Litton 

 

Right now I guarantee the Bills have their top 2 guys. If 1 falls out of top 10 they may make a move up to grab him. But I see them wanting 2 first rd picks. They may package our 1st and a 2nd and a 2nd next year to move up 8 spots but not both our 1st’s.

 

Edited November 28, 2017 by 1ZAYDAY1

[John from Riverside]

I think the bills are going to overdraft a qb........but I would have no problem with Mason Rudolph with the FIRST of our 2 first round picks

 

We do have other needs

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this?

 

1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S.

 

then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST.

 

                        

 

 

 

 

 

I am not trading up for Rudolph so i would not do it. 

 

Only two QBs i would trade up for in this draft

3 minutes ago, Utah John said:

Here's another thought.  Build an O line like Dallas has, and THEN draft your stud QB later.  Taylor is adequate and is not the reason the Bills usually can't play defense.  Keep him around while the immense holes in the lines, LB, and WR  get patched.  Take the QB in 2019 and let him excel behind a strong O line. 

 

And how are they doing with this elite OL?

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Tatonka68 said:

The Bills 1ST round picks should be around 20th (850 pts) & 22nd (780 pts) for a total of 1630 pts on the draft value chart. 1630 points is equal to the 6th pick in the draft. So could the draft end up like this?

 

1. Cleveland picks Josh Rosen QB, 2. NY Giants Sam Darnold QB, 3. San Francisco picks Saquon Barkley RB, 4. Indianapolis Mike McGlinchey OT, 5. Chicago Derwin James S.

 

then the Bills trade with Tampa for sixth pick and select Mason Rudolph QB Oklahoma ST.

 

                        

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respectfully, and please know I love the Bills, I think it is more likely that both KC and Buffalo are 8-8 by the end of the season, putting us right in there from 14-16th for both picks, I believe based upon last year's finishing records.

 

EDIT:  Man, we should already be playing nice with the likes of San Fran and Chicago...those are the potential trade partners if we want to be high up.

 

...if we want to be high up.

Edited November 28, 2017 by dollars 2 donuts

[Domdab99]

7 minutes ago, ChanOverChin said:

QB Baker Mayfield (Okla.) is the guy the Bills should be targeting. 

I think the Bills will end up with the following 2018 draft picks:

R1 (18 - Chiefs)

R1 (19 - Bills)

R2

R2 (Rams)

R3

R4

R5

R5

R5 (Jax).

I expect obtaining a high quality QB to be the highest priority. 

The Bills could add a vet FA QB, trade for a QB, draft a QB or both acquire a vet QB and draft a QB.

I don't think the Bills will keep T. Taylor at $16M, which what he will be due next year.  That would leave the cupboard pretty bare at QB for 2018.

As a result, I see the Bills acquiring a high profile vet QB (possibly A. Smith, K. Cousins) AND draft a QB in R1 or R2.

Once the QB situation has been addressed I see the Bills wheeling and dealing on draft day just like they did this past year.

 

I like the idea of keeping Tyrod and then using him as trade bait during the draft.

[CuddyDark]

3 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

No No No No No No No No No No

 

that's exactly what the Bills have done for their entire existence. Draft EVERYTHING but QB.

 

Time to do things differently.

 

They haven't drafted a good offensive or defensive like since the early 1990s. They draft RB, WR, CB. It's a joke. They need to draft heavy on the lines.

[MAJBobby]

Cleveland will sell their pick watch

[CuddyDark]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

I am not trading up for Rudolph so i would not do it. 

 

Only two QBs i would trade up for in this draft

 

And how are they doing with this elite OL?

Bills have an elite Oline? Their RG and RT shouldn't even be starters in the NFL. LG is massively overrated.

Edited November 28, 2017 by CuddyDark

[MAJBobby]

Just now, CuddyDark said:

Bills have an elite Oline? Their RG and RT shouldn't even be starters in the NFL. LG is massively overrated.

 

Talking Dallas

[Domdab99]

Dallas does not yet have a franchise QB...Dak had a good rookie year, but he's struggling this year.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Domdab99 said:

Dallas does not yet have a franchise QB...Dak had a good rookie year, but he's struggling this year.

 

But they have an elite OL so he cant be

[Captain Murica]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Didn’t they just pay Kawaan Short like $80M?? I don’t see them tying up $150M In defensive tackles. It was likely one or the other. 

They did, and they will only have 11 million in cap space in 2018 according to spotrac. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

5 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Bills have an elite Oline? Their RG and RT shouldn't even be starters in the NFL. LG is massively overrated.

 

Man, Cuddy, I am being master of the obvious, but did you see Ducasse just get blown-by on that play on Sunday?

 

How are they not working on quicker feet with him 24/7?

 

I know, I know, "he was double teaming with the tackle...yeah, not good enough.

Edited November 28, 2017 by dollars 2 donuts

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Let's put it this way:

 

If this regime decides to follow the CuddyDark method and bypasses QB for favor of OL, they'll be gone at the end of next season. Book it.

 

They're not going to commit that kind of career seppoku.

 

Use FA to handle the lines. Use the draft to secure the future of the franchise.

 

Edited November 28, 2017 by joesixpack

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, cage said:

I absolutely HATE the idea of trading up for a QB.  No problem taking one in the first round when you pick, but trading up is asking for trouble.  QBs are a crapshoot even if you're picking in the top 5, giving away multiple picks to roll the dice is a bad move.

Doesn't work all the time of course as nothing is close to a guarantee.

 

The Eagles did it with Carson Wentz and we all how well he is doing.

 

Don't trade up to just trade up, but also don't settle. If you really want a guy in the top 6, go get him

 

 

[nedboy7]

Not covinced qb is our main problem.  So don’t care whom they draft. The coaching has been bad for 4 weeks. No WR. No depth at many positions. Yeah switch TT and see the same show. 

[BillsFan130]

38 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

None of these QBs are worth trading up for. It's ridiculous. Both fronts need help , or get a stud LB - or if one of the QBs falls to them, fine...but do not give away a 1st round pick for one of these scrubs.

How do you have any idea if those QBs are going to be scrubs? 

 

Are you the next up and coming quarterback whisperer in terms of scouting? Lol

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, nedboy7 said:

Not covinced qb is our main problem.  So don’t care whom they draft. The coaching has been bad for 4 weeks. No WR. No depth at many positions. Yeah switch TT and see the same show. 

 

Man, ned, when you're wrong, you're REALLY wrong. Coaching was just fine this past week. A bit conservative in the second half, but they seemingly addressed the defensive issues.

 

[Captain Murica]

I hated the idea of Lamar Jackson for awhile, but, he seems to be more than another running quarterback. I just don't want to trade up for the guy. 

[Tatonka68]

45 minutes ago, CarolinaBillsFan said:

What if we signed for Bridgewater or Keenum?  They cant keep them all, then we have all of our picks to plug holes.

Enuf of the hand me down QB's and leftovers, can we get OUR guy.

[Yav]

Heck with that go after Cousins and build the line and get some pass rushing help and LB's. 

[Tatonka68]

1 minute ago, Yav said:

Heck with that go after Cousins and build the line and get some pass rushing help and LB's. 

No thanks, enough of the hand me downs. If he was that great the Skins would keep him.

[Yav]

3 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

No thanks, enough of the hand me downs. If he was that great the Skins would keep him.

He is very good, the Skins are just a messed up franchise that commits to crap and can't commit to solid players. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Don’t be surprised to see Josh Allen rocket up draft boards after the Senior Bowl and the combine.  The kid has been playing with a sprained AC joint in his throwing shoulder for much of the season, and has absolutely no offensive line.  His skills will shine through.  I hope he stays under the radar as he has this season, but he likely won’t.

[mannc]

1 hour ago, 2003Contenders said:

For a frame of reference, in 2016 the Eagles moved up from 8 to 2 (to take Wentz) by making the following trade with Cleveland:

 

Philly gave up:

#8 overall [2016]

3rd rounder (#77 overall) [2016]

4th rounder (#100 overall) [2016]

the following year's first round pick [2017]

third round pick in 2018

 

Cleveland gave up:

#2 pick overall

following year's 4th rounder [2017]

 

That is a lot of picks to move up for a single player -- but the Bills do have the ammunition (if either Cleveland or the NY Giants are willing to make the move) to hypothetically acquire Rosen/Darnold.

 

The blow was cushioned for the Eagles because they were able to recoup their 2017 First Rounder by unloading Bradford to the Vikings.

[Tatonka68]

5 minutes ago, Yav said:

He is very good, the Skins are just a messed up franchise that commits to crap and can't commit to solid players. 

Very good is not good enough for me, want holy schidt this guy is awesome. My bar is very high.

[reddogblitz]

33 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

Too bad half the board disagrees with this and thinks we should trade away as many picks as possible and our firstborn child to grab a top QB....as if just drafting one in the top 5 guarantees he's the future solution

 

Draft a QB in the top 5and sit back and watch the Lombardi's roll in 

[Tatonka68]

2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Draft a QB in the top 5and sit back and watch the Lombardi's roll in 

To bad half the board would settle for a hand me down QB and hope the Bills can win 10 games. I would rather win Rings myself.

[thenorthremembers]

Love the logic that the 6'5 230 Quarterback prospect who has been mocked in the top five of the draft since the college football season started is suddenly being thought of as a 4th-5th round prospect despite throwing 26 more touchdowns than interceptions and winning 75% of his games.

 

So sick of the argument around a quarterback being good or not centering around whether he has good wideouts or not.  Deshaun Watson threw to multiple 1st-2nd round talents while at Clemson.   Mason Rudolph will be a 1st round pick, 2nd at worst.   I will go ahead and say I have no idea how good he will be in the NFL, nor do I know how Rosen, Jackson, Mayfield or Darnold will end up but if these guys are making informed decisions and not out smarting themselves Rudolph will go before the likes of Clayton Thorson and Josh Allen.

 

Holy crap.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said:

Love the logic that the 6'5 230 Quarterback prospect who has been mocked in the top five of the draft since the college football season started is suddenly being thought of as a 4th-5th round prospect despite throwing 26 more touchdowns than interceptions and winning 75% of his games.

 

So sick of the argument around a quarterback being good or not centering around whether he has good wideouts or not.  Deshaun Watson threw to multiple 1st-2nd round talents while at Clemson.   Mason Rudolph will be a 1st round pick, 2nd at worst.   I will go ahead and say I have no idea how good he will be in the NFL, nor do I know how Rosen, Jackson, Mayfield or Darnold will end up but if these guys are making informed decisions and not out smarting themselves Rudolph will go before the likes of Clayton Thorson and Josh Allen.

 

Holy crap.

 

Dude people here are seriously clueless.

 

I'd take Rudolph in a Bills jersey 7 days a week and three times on sunday.

 

 

[Bangarang]

12 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Don’t be surprised to see Josh Allen rocket up draft boards after the Senior Bowl and the combine.  The kid has been playing with a sprained AC joint in his throwing shoulder for much of the season, and has absolutely no offensive line.  His skills will shine through.  I hope he stays under the radar as he has this season, but he likely won’t.

 

A guy that doesn’t produce in college with all the “tools” these old guys drool over. I’d rather not. 

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said:

Very good is not good enough for me, want holy schidt this guy is awesome. My bar is very high.

Your bar is high but you’d prefer trading up for Mason Rudolph to signing Kirk Cousins?!? 

35 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

They did, and they will only have 11 million in cap space in 2018 according to spotrac. 

So in other words Lotulelei walks.

[Wily Dog]

Do not forget the trade value of Cordy Glenn. A left tackle is almost as valuable as a QB in some circles . He can have surgery on his problem feet/ankles and he is relatively young for a tackle We have a LT with Dawkins.

[Captain Murica]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Your bar is high but you’d prefer trading up for Mason Rudolph to signing Kirk Cousins?!? 

So in other words Lotulelei walks.

Yup, that is with only 40 players on the active roster. Not a lot of cap room to play with. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Your bar is high but you’d prefer trading up for Mason Rudolph to signing Kirk Cousins?!? 

So in other words Lotulelei walks.

 

And we pick him up.

See how that works?

 

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

And we pick him up.

See how that works?

 

I think it’s a likely scenario. Beane and McDermott have shown an affinity for the guys in Carolina. He’s one that they drafted. We have a massive need at DT. It makes sense to me.