Sammy watch

[SaviorPeterman]

At least we fleeced the Rams in this trade, too bad it will be a late 2nd round pick though because the Rams look like a playoff team.

[Scott7975]

At least we fleeced the Rams in this trade, too bad it will be a late 2nd round pick though because the Rams look like a playoff team.

Our wins mean nothing because they are all diminished. Rams beat Cowboys, Colts, 49ers, and Jags so they look like a playoff team. Awesome logic.

Edited October 16, 2017 by Scott7975

[mrags]

 

I'm keeping a list so I can send them stats at the end of the year.

 

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badol

scottylaw

 

Because being right is just plain better than being wrong.

isnt it amazing how some people just don't get it. They just keep going down with the ship. The most hilarious thing is they still defend and try and justify their opinions as being correct.

[Doc]

They can easily pick up a conditional 3rd.

 

Look at our WRs, now.

 

We basically got Gaines and moved our 3rd to the 2d.

Doubtful at best.

[offyourocker]

Maybe we can get Sammy back for a fourth. Tyrod likes him

[mrags]

Maybe we can get Sammy back for a fourth. Tyrod likes him

theres people here that would give up 2x2nds for him I'd imagine

[BeginnersMind]

Watkins probably is a good WR. Will occasionally have a very good game. But hes not a top WR. Wish him well.

 

Missing Robert Woods. He was reliable and consistent.

[Green Lightning]

You guys know literally nothing about football.

 

Sammy had another outstanding game. By playing the perfect decoy, it resulted in woods having 70 yards and Kupp another 35 yards. So that is technically over 100 yards attributable to Sammy. Those decoy yards are equivalent to real receiving yards, per the NFL Hall

Of Fame Commitee.

 

I hope some NFL team pays this selfless, game-changing player big dollars in the offseason.

Solid arguments. He needs to get paid NBA-like money.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

They can easily pick up a conditional 3rd.

 

Look at our WRs, now.

 

We basically got Gaines and moved our 3rd to the 2d.

So a 2019 3rd round comp pick... pick 100 of the draft basically...

 

Or pick a 2018 2nd round pick... a full year earlier and likely pick say 50....

 

Thats a fair amount of value. Plus we got a corner and dont have to worry about comp picks and a net loss etc in free agency.

Edited October 16, 2017 by dneveu

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Update: Zay Jones has produced as much as Sammy Watkins in October, 3 Sundays in. And Zay was on a bye one of those weeks...

 

Maybe he decoys just as well?

Edited October 16, 2017 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Captain_Quint]

[Heitz]

Watkins probably is a good WR. Will occasionally have a very good game. But hes not a top WR. Wish him well.

 

Missing Robert Woods. He was reliable and consistent.

 

We should have traded Sammy two years ago and kept Woods

[26CornerBlitz]

 

We should have traded Sammy two years ago and kept Woods

 

The FN crazy guy who people claimed always falls down.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

 

 

I've had knuckleheads try to take premature victory laps so many times on TSW...........you should know this and be wary.

 

There was a long list of idiots telling me I was wrong about Mike Williams because Bryant McKinnie had a rough rookie year........

 

Jason Peters was a bum per people like you.........this very site was loaded with such posts for almost two years until they started realizing he was on his way to the HOF.....

 

Same with Lynch........they traded him and he didn't do much in his first season........next season the beast quake hit and the "oh f*ck" moment descended upon them.....

 

That's just a few........the list of accurate takes is very long.

 

Never thought Jason Peters was a bum. Thought he was an idiot and an ingrate. Not a bum.

[klos63]

So a 2019 3rd round comp pick... pick 100 of the draft basically...

 

Or pick a 2018 2nd round pick... a full year earlier and likely pick say 50....

 

Thats a fair amount of value. Plus we got a corner and dont have to worry about comp picks and a net loss etc in free agency.

Before we get too excited about Gaines- he missed all of 2015, wasn't effective last season recovering, already pretty banged up this season... and he's a free agent after this season. Do you give someone that misses so much time a long term deal?

[26CornerBlitz]

TRANSCRIPT: Sean McVay Conference Call

http://www.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/TRANSCRIPT-Sean-McVay-Conference-Call/5e63f250-f3d6-439e-9e8d-442ffc5bad29

 

(On the connection between QB Jared Goff and WR Sammy Watkins)

“I think the pass game involves so much. There’s a couple opportunities that we had – it’s the same thing we’ve talked about with the run game, it takes all 11, well so does the pass. It isn’t exclusive to just the quarterback and receiver. You’ve got to protect, everybody’s got to distribute the field accordingly. There’s some opportunities that we’ve had to get the ball in Sammy’s hands and unfortunately these last couple weeks we haven’t capitalized on it. But, when we only have 11 completions, that’s never going to be good enough to be able to try to play at the level offensively that we want. But again, we’ve kind of adjusted based on the way that the game flowed – didn’t throw it as many times as you’ve seen, but we’re interested in trying to win games. There were some opportunities that, when you go back and you look at it, if everybody’s executing, everybody’s on the screws, we get some plays to him that maybe change the discussion that we’re having. But that’s why football is the greatest team sport there is, because there’s some plays that the receiver and quarterback are always responsible for making, but it isn’t exclusive to just those guys when it comes to the pass game.”

[BADOLBILZ]

 

Never thought Jason Peters was a bum. Thought he was an idiot and an ingrate. Not a bum.

 

 

I know, I know.......he was an ingrate cuz he disrespected your boy Russ Brandon........who handled the situation brilliantly and had no other choice.

[Fan in Chicago]

 

 

I know, I know.......he was an ingrate cuz he disrespected your boy Russ Brandon........who handled the situation brilliantly and had no other choice.

But If memory serves me correctly, the Bills did pay him once but he kept pouting and even dogged it in some games. That he was a phenomenal talent was without any doubt but IMHO the FO probably wondered how long he will be happy for after a second raise. That is why he was not retained. Not many players make a switch to a different position very well (Kordell Stewart as an example) but Peters made a massive switch and quite successfully. I wish the Bills and his agent had figured out a way to keep him here. We spent years attempting to find a competent LT, let alone a very good one.

[LABILLBACKER]

With the mediocre start for Watkins, it's highly unlikely that he commands that big contract. It's just frustrating because if he had stayed with the Bills I think TT would've made his presence count. Who knows where he'll land next year?

[BeginnersMind]

With the mediocre start for Watkins, it's highly unlikely that he commands that big contract. It's just frustrating because if he had stayed with the Bills I think TT would've made his presence count. Who knows where he'll land next year?

 

He may not be a superstar but he would be getting more catches here. I still trust McD to create the culture and my guess is they didn't see Sammy as part of that. Got something for nothing in that respect.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Watkins probably signs a 1 year deal somewhere next season. Maybe Chicago.

[thebandit27]

There are a few lessons to be learned with this situation:

 

1) don't expect a player to have an immediate impact being dropped into a new system with a new QB with whom he has zero rapport

2) don't expect a QB to be anywhere near as productive/effective when you take away the only WR with whom he's ever had a strong level of trust

3) seldom does a player leaving a situation where he's been productive result in him becoming more productive; the grass is almost never greener

 

All that said, the book is not quite written on the trade yet. I like the way that Gaines has played, but ironically, his availability has been much worse than Watkins over the duration of their careers (and that's continued this year). Watkins, on the other hand, has been about the same as he was here: outstanding when targeted, but targeted far too little for the overall impact to be great.

[Magox]

There are a few lessons to be learned with this situation:

 

1) don't expect a player to have an immediate impact being dropped into a new system with a new QB with whom he has zero rapport

2) don't expect a QB to be anywhere near as productive/effective when you take away the only WR with whom he's ever had a strong level of trust

3) seldom does a player leaving a situation where he's been productive result in him becoming more productive; the grass is almost never greener

 

All that said, the book is not quite written on the trade yet. I like the way that Gaines has played, but ironically, his availability has been much worse than Watkins over the duration of their careers (and that's continued this year). Watkins, on the other hand, has been about the same as he was here: outstanding when targeted, but targeted far too little for the overall impact to be great.

 

 

When are the excuses for Sammy's lack of production ever going to end?

 

And to say that he was productive here, is really putting it kindly. Even when he was playing his production was erratic. Some games really good, some games a non factor.

 

His production at some point is going to have to speak for itself.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

There are a few lessons to be learned with this situation:

 

1) don't expect a player to have an immediate impact being dropped into a new system with a new QB with whom he has zero rapport

2) don't expect a QB to be anywhere near as productive/effective when you take away the only WR with whom he's ever had a strong level of trust

3) seldom does a player leaving a situation where he's been productive result in him becoming more productive; the grass is almost never greener

 

All that said, the book is not quite written on the trade yet. I like the way that Gaines has played, but ironically, his availability has been much worse than Watkins over the duration of their careers (and that's continued this year). Watkins, on the other hand, has been about the same as he was here: outstanding when targeted, but targeted far too little for the overall impact to be great.

Ironically enough, it is pretty obvious that Sammy would have had his greatest production and of been of the most help STAYING RIGHT IN BUFFALO!!!!

 

Anytime he was targeted 10-12x a game he has been dominant.

Edited October 18, 2017 by horned dogs

[Bills Pimpin']

With the mediocre start for Watkins, it's highly unlikely that he commands that big contract. It's just frustrating because if he had stayed with the Bills I think TT would've made his presence count. Who knows where he'll land next year?

My guess is Carolina.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don't understand why Sammy isn't getting #1 targets in LA. He is still attracting teams #1 CB, Seahawks and Jags will give many WRs problems, but I've watched him run routes on film in Buffalo. He is nearly impossible to cover by anyone.

 

So like Sammy said, something is going on.

[thebandit27]

 

 

When are the excuses for Sammy's lack of production ever going to end?

 

And to say that he was productive here, is really putting it kindly. Even when he was playing his production was erratic. Some games really good, some games a non factor.

 

His production at some point is going to have to speak for itself.

 

I make no excuses. All I've ever said about Sammy is that his per-target production was outstanding when he was here, but that he didn't get enough targets. Why that was the case was always a matter of opinion.

 

 

Ironically enough, it is pretty obvious that Sammy would have had his greatest production and of been of the most help STAYING RIGHT IN BUFFALO!!!!

 

Anytime he was targeted 10-12x a game he has been dominant.

 

Only 10 times in 43 career games.

 

 

My guess is Carolina.

 

As I said two weeks ago, I think the best situation would be to take an Alshon Jeffery-type deal in a place that throws the ball like crazy and has a solid QB. Maybe a team like Pittsburgh or LAC would make sense.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

I make no excuses. All I've ever said about Sammy is that his per-target production was outstanding when he was here, but that he didn't get enough targets. Why that was the case was always a matter of opinion.

 

 

 

Only 10 times in 43 career games.

 

 

 

As I said two weeks ago, I think the best situation would be to take an Alshon Jeffery-type deal in a place that throws the ball like crazy and has a solid QB. Maybe a team like Pittsburgh or LAC would make sense.

Arizona would be a great match for him also. Down field throwing team. Arizona set to lose a few wrs next offseason.

[cd1]

There are a few lessons to be learned with this situation:

 

1) don't expect a player to have an immediate impact being dropped into a new system with a new QB with whom he has zero rapport

2) don't expect a QB to be anywhere near as productive/effective when you take away the only WR with whom he's ever had a strong level of trust

3) seldom does a player leaving a situation where he's been productive result in him becoming more productive; the grass is almost never greener

 

All that said, the book is not quite written on the trade yet. I like the way that Gaines has played, but ironically, his availability has been much worse than Watkins over the duration of their careers (and that's continued this year). Watkins, on the other hand, has been about the same as he was here: outstanding when targeted, but targeted far too little for the overall impact to be great.

YET - Robert Woods ...

[Magox]

Rams are doing well record wise. But they are potentially going to be facing a difficult decision over the next few months.

 

As of right now Sammy as on pace for 40 receptions and just under 600 yards, 5-6 TD's for the year. I don't believe he will continue at that pace, it's almost unfathomable that it got to this point. If he ends the season with a very hot streak with lots of explosive plays, receptions and yards then I still believe they will give him a really good contract. Probably not the $16M+ a year that he and his agent I believe envisioned he'd be receiving but probably something north of $13M+ a year.

 

But if he improves slightly from where he is, then I think the Rams will offer him a contract of around $10-$11M a year loaded with incentives and if he doesn't accept, they let him walk.

[thebandit27]

YET - Robert Woods ...

 

Who had an entire offseason to develop a rapport with the QB as the team's expected No. 1 target in the passing game. If you don't feel that that's a different situation than coming into a new offense after training camp, well, I guess we're going to disagree on that point.

 

Rams are doing well record wise. But they are potentially going to be facing a difficult decision over the next few months.

 

As of right now Sammy as on pace for 40 receptions and just under 600 yards, 5-6 TD's for the year. I don't believe he will continue at that pace, it's almost unfathomable that it got to this point. If he ends the season with a very hot streak with lots of explosive plays, receptions and yards then I still believe they will give him a really good contract. Probably not the $16M+ a year that he and his agent I believe envisioned he'd be receiving but probably something north of $13M+ a year.

 

But if he improves slightly from where he is, then I think the Rams will offer him a contract of around $10-$11M a year loaded with incentives and if he doesn't accept, they let him walk.

 

Basically, yeah. IF the Rams find a way to incorporate him into their passing game in a big way prior to the end of the season, then it would be in his best interest to take a Jeffery-type deal with them.

[CommonCents]

Rams are doing well record wise. But they are potentially going to be facing a difficult decision over the next few months.

 

As of right now Sammy as on pace for 40 receptions and just under 600 yards, 5-6 TD's for the year. I don't believe he will continue at that pace, it's almost unfathomable that it got to this point. If he ends the season with a very hot streak with lots of explosive plays, receptions and yards then I still believe they will give him a really good contract. Probably not the $16M+ a year that he and his agent I believe envisioned he'd be receiving but probably something north of $13M+ a year.

 

But if he improves slightly from where he is, then I think the Rams will offer him a contract of around $10-$11M a year loaded with incentives and if he doesn't accept, they let him walk.

As I said before at this pace he would land a similar deal to Allen Hurns. It seems he has high expectations of himself so if he plans on sticking around the NFL for awhile I'd expect him to take a 2 year deal with a big money second year on a team option. Essentially a one year prove it deal.

 

Then based on results he may get that contract he wants. I haven't seen the production against top CB's to even consider giving him big bucks. The Sammy Watch was all quiet because of the defenses he was facing.

 

Folks shouldn't over react to production against scrubs. He needs sustained productive games to warrant any praise and more importantly to earn that big payday.

[GG]

 

I make no excuses. All I've ever said about Sammy is that his per-target production was outstanding when he was here, but that he didn't get enough targets. Why that was the case was always a matter of opinion.

 

 

And to keep flogging a dead horse, this is the main issue. Why hasn't Sammy been able to command a higher proportion of targets?

 

On one side of the pole you see a consistent pattern of underutilization across 4 QBs and 4 OCs and attribute it to the changing stage of actors and that being the main reason for lack of consistency. On the other side is the fact that despite his world class talent, 4 QBs and 4 OCs haven't been able to get him more involved in the offense. That is odd, and is not something you would imagine from that talent, because other top WRs have maintained high production across different QBs and OCs.

[Marv's Neighbor]

Why do we care? It's like having an ex-wife watch. Or a Ralph Wilson watch. Oh by the way, today's Ralph's Birthday!

[Coach Tuesday]

 

And to keep flogging a dead horse, this is the main issue. Why hasn't Sammy been able to command a higher proportion of targets?

 

On one side of the pole you see a consistent pattern of underutilization across 4 QBs and 4 OCs and attribute it to the changing stage of actors and that being the main reason for lack of consistency. On the other side is the fact that despite his world class talent, 4 QBs and 4 OCs haven't been able to get him more involved in the offense. That is odd, and is not something you would imagine from that talent, because other top WRs have maintained high production across different QBs and OCs.

 

It's also odd because he's definitely getting open...

[Bill_with_it]

 

Who had an entire offseason to develop a rapport with the QB as the team's expected No. 1 target in the passing game. If you don't feel that that's a different situation than coming into a new offense after training camp, well, I guess we're going to disagree on that point.

 

 

Basically, yeah. IF the Rams find a way to incorporate him into their passing game in a big way prior to the end of the season, then it would be in his best interest to take a Jeffery-type deal with them.

The rams training camp was 15 practices. From July 29 to Aug 17.

Sammy was traded around Aug 11, second preseason game.

Hes been there for 68 days how much longer does he need?

Robert hasnt taken 68 days to develop a rapport?

At some point this whole rapport schtick is gonna come crashing down.

[BADOLBILZ]

But If memory serves me correctly, the Bills did pay him once but he kept pouting and even dogged it in some games. That he was a phenomenal talent was without any doubt but IMHO the FO probably wondered how long he will be happy for after a second raise. That is why he was not retained. Not many players make a switch to a different position very well (Kordell Stewart as an example) but Peters made a massive switch and quite successfully. I wish the Bills and his agent had figured out a way to keep him here. We spent years attempting to find a competent LT, let alone a very good one.

 

 

Your memory serves you somewhat correct........but wrong.

 

Gave him a RT deal........THEN moved him to LT where the money around the league was MUCH higher back then.

 

And in the meantime they gave two "meh" free agents bigger deals than he got......to play G and RT, respectively.

 

We weren't talking about a *good* LT like Cordy Glenn here.........as Andy Reid said......Peters was the "Peyton Manning of LT's"......the best or damn near it.

 

But hey, Russ Brandon has OTHERWISE been GREAT for the football operations for this team so what's one little mistake?

Edited October 18, 2017 by #BADOL

[Lv-Bills]

 

 

When are the excuses for Sammy's lack of production ever going to end?

 

And to say that he was productive here, is really putting it kindly. Even when he was playing his production was erratic. Some games really good, some games a non factor.

 

His production at some point is going to have to speak for itself.

Seriously. My god. I had to log in just to say thank you for this. Hell, one guy even points out his "mediocre" start to this season. Yeah, um no, he's not performed mediocre. He's been downright bad or non-existent in every game but one.

 

Thank You for this. Simple and 100% factual.

 

Who had an entire offseason to develop a rapport with the QB as the team's expected No. 1 target in the passing game. If you don't feel that that's a different situation than coming into a new offense after training camp, well, I guess we're going to disagree on that point.

 

 

 

But yet, when Watkins was with Buffalo, it didn't matter that Tyrod never had an offseason with him either. Watkins was hurt every offseason but one, and most of the time didn't even practice during the week in the regular season. But yet, somehow, it was Taylor's fault that he couldn't get the ball to his supposed "superstar" player, and that's why Watkins suffered supposedly. Offseason work only matters when it serves someone's viewpoint.

 

The excuses are almost all gone now for Watkins. Put up or shut up time for #14. Shut your mouth, grind, and prove it on the field. He's about to pop the Bust bubble if he doesn't get going soon.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Seriously. My god. I had to log in just to say thank you for this. Hell, one guy even points out his "mediocre" start to this season. Yeah, um no, he's not performed mediocre. He's been downright bad or non-existent in every game but one.

 

Thank You for this. Simple and 100% factual.

But yet, when Watkins was with Buffalo, it didn't matter that Tyrod never had an offseason with him either. Watkins was hurt every offseason but one, and most of the time didn't even practice during the week in the regular season. But yet, somehow, it was Taylor's fault that he couldn't get the ball to his supposed "superstar" player, and that's why Watkins suffered supposedly. Offseason work only matters when it serves someone's viewpoint.

 

The excuses are almost all gone now for Watkins. Put up or shut up time for #14. Shut your mouth, grind, and prove it on the field. He's about to pop the Bust bubble if he doesn't get going soon.

he's #12 now

[thebandit27]

The rams training camp was 15 practices. From July 29 to Aug 17.

Sammy was traded around Aug 11, second preseason game.

Hes been there for 68 days how much longer does he need?

Robert hasnt taken 68 days to develop a rapport?

At some point this whole rapport schtick is gonna come crashing down.

Unless I'm mistaken, Woods signed in March.

He had 5 months of time to get up to speed with the offsense and QB before Watkins even got off the plane in LA.

 

If you don't see a difference then I don't know what to tell you.

 

As for Rapport, please tell me why Jordan Matthews isn't putting up Watkins-in-2015 type numbers with Taylor. While you're at it, why is Brandin Cooks on pace for fewer receptions & TDs than in either of his last 2 seasons in NO despite playing with the best QB of this generation?

 

Trust/comfort level matters.