Virgil Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Hey everyone, I just wanted to get ahead of this before we do our TSW Mock Drafts. The question is in the title. Would you trade our #1 pick in 2025 to move up to get one of the top 5 WR's in this draft? Based off the trade charts, that would move us up to the 17 or 18th pick. Feel free to defend your answer in the comments. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 No, Sammy Watkins redux 2.0. 2 1 6 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. 5 20 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I have this feeling that somebody drafted in round 2 or 3 will end up being the best WR in the draft class. Not saying we don't need to take one at 28, but just this premonition that if we move up, we'll end up wishing we had waited and picked a different guy. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I feel like the only people voting "Yes" didn't live through the Watkins debacle. 1 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: No, Sammy Watkins redux 2.0. And I've mentioned this a couple times before, but imagine if Minnesota had spent a boat load of picks to trade up to Draft a higher ranked prospect instead of staying put and taking the 5th WR off the board in Justin Jefferson. It's no guarantee the higher rated prospect at any position in any class is going to end up the better NFL player. It's practically irresponsible to pay a King's Ransom for a "better" WR in a class that has (in my book) EIGHT WR's with a 1st Round grade. 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Absolutely not. The draft is deep enough with talent at the position that it would make no sense to make that move IMO. This is a draft where I would let the draft come to me. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 25 Author Share Posted March 25 I answered yes, but only because I trust Beane. If he feels the talent there is worth trading up for, I won't be upset. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: And I've mentioned this a couple times before, but imagine if Minnesota had spent a boat load of picks to trade up to Draft a higher ranked prospect instead of staying put and taking the 5th WR off the board in Justin Jefferson. It's no guarantee the higher rated prospect at any position in any class is going to end up the better NFL player. It's practically irresponsible to pay a King's Ransom for a "better" WR in a class that has (in my book) EIGHT WR's with a 1st Round grade. I agree 💯 with this. It's similar to the Watkins draft which was deep at WR. and to go back further the year we got Moulds who was the 5th WR off the board. The 2nd Round unearthed Amani Toomer and Muhsin Muhammed and a 3rd rounder (and future Bill) made the HOF aka TO. Edited March 25 by The Jokeman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleeby Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Nope. Maybe I'm breaking the poll questions unwritten rules here but I would not trade the future for 18th as McDermot just said he was more or less content with the WR room now. This doesn't mean he won't draft a wr in round 1 but also not giving me the warm fuzzies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoolhouserock Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) Not having a first round pick flat out sucks. So much changes from season-to-season and boy does that first rounder help. I am generally against the trading of future firsts. Conversely, I don’t have the same disdain regarding the trading of a current season first rounder. There is a lot less uncertainty with the whole of the roster and so it can make sense from time-to-time (see Diggs). Trading future firsts has a whiff of desperation and I think organizations get themselves into trouble that way. I think we have to consider the following scenario: Bills trade future first, Josh gets badly hurt before the season even starts, and the Bills have a terrible season without the silver lining of a premium pick. That is all entirely in the realm of possibilities. Having the pick is like having an insurance policy. Edited March 25 by schoolhouserock Spelling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Depends on the WR. If it’s Odunze or Brian Thomas than sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 NFW 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I would never trade a future first round selection for any player outside of a QB. In the NFL where injury is so volatile no draft prospect outside of a QB (who can play for 15+ years and completely turn around the fortunes of a franchise) is worth giving up a future first round pick for. From a sheer numbers perspective if you give up multiple premium picks for a WR or DE and that player gets hurt or is a bust not only did you burn a first on them but you burnt multiple selections on that player. Any player can get hurt or be a bust so the risk far outweighs the reward of robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak. Given how Beane's philosophy is to keep the team is to sustain a winning core to keep a window for success open as long as possible and eventually you will get lucky, I don't see him "mortgaging the future" so to speak nor would it be prudent to do so. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I guess that would depend on just how good Marvin Harrison Jr. is and how the Bills evaluate him. As for the bad memories about what we gave up for Sammy, I agree and that would make me hesitate as well. For those of you who have seen Harrison play more than I have, is he a generational talent? If yes, a trade would be tempting. If not, keep our 2025 pick for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Absolutely, #1 WRs are extremely valuable in this league. If there's one they are confident in, pull the trigger on that trade. People who have PTSD from the Sammy Watkins trade forget that this is a much better environment for a new WR to come into, and this staff seems much better at identifying guys with the right mindset. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 12 hours ago, Peter said: I guess that would depend on just how good Marvin Harrison Jr. is and how the Bills evaluate him. As for the bad memories about what we gave up for Sammy, I agree and that would make me hesitate as well. For those of you who have seen Harrison play more than I have, is he a generational talent? If yes, a trade would be tempting. If not, keep our 2025 pick for next year. Daniel Jeremiah made a good comparison IMHO to AJ Green in size and how graceful they are. I think he also compares to Larry Fitzgerald in knowledge of routes/hands but a step or two faster. Both great yet to me this draft about the next 5-6 years of this team and reinforce some holes we took on this off-season. Here's DJ's article https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-marvin-harrison-jr-ohio-state-wide-receiver-similar-to-a-j-green 12 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Absolutely, #1 WRs are extremely valuable in this league. If there's one they are confident in, pull the trigger on that trade. People who have PTSD from the Sammy Watkins trade forget that this is a much better environment for a new WR to come into, and this staff seems much better at identifying guys with the right mindset. My issue is it's a strong draft at WR and we don't need the best just an above average guy who could easily fall to us. Toss in Beane knows the value of draft picks and I can't see him using two 1sts on 1 WR. Edited March 26 by The Jokeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 39 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: No, Sammy Watkins redux 2.0. this- BPA in round 1 except to move up for a QB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Daniel Jeremiah made a good comparison IMHO to AJ Green in size and how graceful they are. I think he also compares to Larry Fitzgerald in knowledge of routes/hands but a step or two faster. Both great yet to me this draft about the next 5-6 years of this team and reinforce some holes we took on this off-season. He's DJ's article https://www.nfl.com/news/scouting-marvin-harrison-jr-ohio-state-wide-receiver-similar-to-a-j-green My issue is it's a strong draft at WR and we don't need the best just an above average guy who could easily fall to us. Toss in Beane knows the value of draft picks and I can't see him using two 1sts on 1 WR. If this is about the next 5-6 years of this team, then there's no better time to nab Larry Fitzgerald/AJ Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 IMO, The top WR left at #17 or #18 could be Brian Thomas Jr. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have him on this team but not at the cost of two 1st round picks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 6 hours ago, Peter said: I guess that would depend on just how good Marvin Harrison Jr. is and how the Bills evaluate him. As for the bad memories about what we gave up for Sammy, I agree and that would make me hesitate as well. For those of you who have seen Harrison play more than I have, is he a generational talent? If yes, a trade would be tempting. If not, keep our 2025 pick for next year. Harrison would require 3 1st's and probably more. You aren't getting a team to move from 4 to 28, giving up a generational level talent at a position of need for Arizona, beating out the teams looking to get up in that area for a QB, and with the knowledge that we consistently pick between 25 and 30 for anything less than that. People like to quote the Cleveland-Atlanta trade for Julio Jones as comparison. That was 15 picks. Or the Buffalo-KC trade for Patrick Mahomes. That was 17 picks. This is 24. As I've said before, when it comes to trading into the Top 5 when there's heavy competition and generational talent in play like Harrison - you can throw the ole' Trade value chart out the window. It would have to be an overpay and probably a substantial one to make that kind of move. Edited March 26 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I answered yes but I have to give a caveat. I would give up multiple picks for one of the top 3 WR. I have a win at all cost mentality. With any luck next years number 1 is #32. Outside of those top 3, I agree with others. Stay put or even trade down and you can still get a quality WR. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Supposedly WR depth is good and WRs are making so much that 5th year contracts are often not worth it and tagging does not make much sense. Bills should be aiming at top of the 2nd for WR and use 1st round pick to find player for position hard to find talent for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 45 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I agree 💯 with this. It's similar to the Watkins draft which was deep at WR. and to go back further the year we got Moulds who was the 5th WR off the board. The 2nd Round unearthed Amani Toomer and Muhsin Muhammed and a 3rd rounder (and future Bill) made the HOF aka TO. Yeah, that was a wicked draft. You forgot Jermaine Lewis and Joe Horn too… Edited March 26 by BBFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 minutes ago, BBFL said: Yeah, that was a wicked draft. You forgot Jermaine Lewis and Joe Horn too… And Bobby Engram has a few good years too. 30 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: If this is about the next 5-6 years of this team, then there's no better time to nab Larry Fitzgerald/AJ Green It's going to take more than #28 and a 1st next year to move into the top 3/4 to get MHJ. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I suppose i’d trade our first next year plus other picks for MHj, Nabers or Odunze. The actual cost will be too much for Beane, so I don’t think it’s an option trading up for them. i wouldn’t trade next years first to trade up for anyone else in this draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Hey everyone, I just wanted to get ahead of this before we do our TSW Mock Drafts. The question is in the title. Would you trade our #1 pick in 2025 to move up to get one of the top 5 WR's in this draft? Based off the trade charts, that would move us up to the 17 or 18th pick. Feel free to defend your answer in the comments. Thanks in advance No. I would draft a WR at our spot. I would consider trading our first round pick next year + stuff to get pick 32 and draft ANOTHER WR. There’s going to be WR’s in the second round that would be 1st round picks most years. Go get two of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Unless it’s for Harrison, Nabers or Odunze then no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 minutes ago, DJB said: Unless it’s for Harrison, Nabers or Odunze then no Only for Harrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Please no. If we do this and he sucks, we have to hear endless discussions about whether that was TWO 1sts or only really one, because we were going to spend one anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I would actually trade down to acquire more draft picks in this draft. Because the Buffalo Bills have a ton of holes that need to be filled on the roster. I would take a lot of secondary players hoping one or two plan out. The Bills secondary is a mess with all the talent either retired or cap casualties. The Bills are not in the position to draft just one big can’t miss wide receiver. If Josh Allen is the real deal he will make do what he has to work with wide receiver wise the Bills defensive secondary is a mess. God bless Cam Lewis I saw him play at UB Bulls but if the Bills have to rely on him we’re in trouble in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 No way, but I would trade that pick and a reasonable amount more for an established stud WR on a contract, like they did for Diggs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said: I feel like the only people voting "Yes" didn't live through the Watkins debacle. ROC, fair point brother, but not for nothing, the key difference between then and now, is Josh Allen—we are built to win now and pile on the weapons for him; back then we needed to find a QB plus more, and were not going to make any noise in the playoffs, so it was a colossal waste of resources by Whaley to do it, imho. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Those who would trade up and sacrifice a 1st round pick next year are clinging to two hopes: that the WR will be a future all pro, or at the very least, a perennial pro bowler AND the WR will be better than any taken after him. We know that’s not the case when it comes to the NFL draft, it’s a crapshoot. Even the “can’t miss” picks miss, so I don’t get the infatuation. Just take a guy at your pick, he may be even better, or trade down and gain another pick in the first two days. Trading up, or trading down, you’re not promised anything but gaining or losing draft capital. That’s it. I’d rather have more lottery tickets than give them away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. This!! 9 is the earliest that I could see the Bills getting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, H2o said: If I trade our 1st next year it would have to be for MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze.None of them will make it to 17 or 18. What he said 🔼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCBillsBeliever Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 46 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: ROC, fair point brother, but not for nothing, the key difference between then and now, is Josh Allen—we are built to win now and pile on the weapons for him; back then we needed to find a QB plus more, and were not going to make any noise in the playoffs, so it was a colossal waste of resources by Whaley to do it, imho. That's valid: We aren't where we were, and the calculus has changed. Maybe I'm scarred; maybe those scars still speak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 There's no need for that. A Brian Thomas/Adonai Mitchell/Troy Franklin may end up being the best of this class. I don't believe there's a huge gap between any of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) Stop with the MHJ or Odunze nonsense. The poll clearly states: 1. Would you trade our 2025 1st round pick to move up to 17 or 18 in this draft for a WR? 34% of you would trade next year's 1st to move up 10 spots this year??? 34% of you need your head examined. Edited March 26 by QCity 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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