Who Would You Trade Up For, And How Far Would You Go Up To Get Them?

[H2o]

The Combine has been fun to watch this year because of the performances by those at our greatest position of need, WR. From the 40's, to the drills, to the tape we have already seen on most of these guys, this is the year we can truly get a difference maker to go with Diggs. 

 

The way the draft is going to shake out hinges on how teams view these QB's. That's usually the case, but these year even more so I believe. The first 13 picks are where the most QB needy teams are. In those picks you have 8 teams potentially in the market for a QB. Chicago, Washington, New England, Atlanta, Minnesota, Denver, and Las Vegas. The NY Giants could possibly go QB if they have soured on Danny Dimes and want to groom a guy for a season behind him. There was also talk of the Jets looking at QB's. Then you still have teams like Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Tampa who could be in the QB market come the draft. A few of these teams are likely to fill their need for a QB in FA or via trade with Mayfield, Cousins, Fields, or Wilson. How the QB situation plays out will have a huge impact on the top 13 picks. 

 

Even with the talent pool there are still tiers to this WR class. It is extremely deep though. It's pretty much Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze followed by the rest. I think all three of those guys are going to be stars in this league. Some people say that Nabers may end up being the 1st WR off of the board and not MHJ. Either way, those two with Odunze are the cream of the crop. Even though two of those guys did nothing at the Combine, I have seen enough game film to know what they are. The next tier are all extremely talented, but they have more question marks. Say the draft pans out like the below scenario. Would you be willing to pay the cost to move up from #28 and how far would you go?

 

1. Chicago - Caleb Williams 

2. Washington - Drake Maye

3. New England - Jayden Daniels

4. Arizona - Marvin Harrison Jr.

5. LA Chargers - Brock Bowers

6. NY Giants 

7. Tennessee 

8. Atlanta

9. Chicago 

10. NY Jets

11. Minnesota 

12. Denver 

13. Las Vegas

 

 

I guess a lot of depends on where you feel this team is at overall. And to move up into the top 10, it's gonna cost you. Probably #28, our 2024 2nd, possibly another 2024 pick, 2025's 1st, and a 2025 3rd or 4th as well. Would you call Schoen and pay the price to get Nabers (or Odunze depending on your preference)? Would you wait and see how 6, 7, and 8 play out then hit up Chicago?

 

Me personally, I seriously consider making the move for Nabers. He, Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir out there with Josh slinging to rock around? 

 

 

In all seriousness though, who could the defense key on that would stop this offense then? Imo, at least 2 of the 5 would always be open. We'd have the best offense in the NFL. 

 

What would you do? Move up for someone? Stay at #28 and see how the draft plays out? Who is your guy and what would you be willing to do to get him?

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Seems like there are too many first round graded receivers in this draft to move up into the top 10. And even with the top 3, odds are one of the three busts. But who? 

 

I say move up in the 16-25 range if there is a WR the Bills absolutely love and feel their draft board shows a huge drop off in WR talent coming soon.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

So for me personally/ realistically: late teens/early 20s for Thomas, maybe 24-26 for Adonai, after that probably stand pat for Ladd or Leggett.

[SoonerBillsFan]

Ladd McConkey.

[whorlnut]

My thoughts are that if AD Mitchell slips to around 22-23, then Beane should try to go get him. Watching Cosell talk about the WRs, he says that he thinks Mitchell will be a top 10 wr in the league in 3 years. That would coincide nicely with Diggs departing. He showed explosiveness, speed, agility, and has big game experience. For me, that’s the guy. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

If Worthy makes it past the Jags at 17 then I’m starting to call teams. Would pull the trigger to trade up to 23 with the Texans to hop the Cowboys for him.

[GunnerBill]

Me personally? I wouldn't. Because I like Legette a lot and while I understand the risks of 1 year production and age I'd be willing to stand pat and take him. 

 

I have started on some of the simulators looking at how high I'd be willing to go for Thomas. He is my WR5 with a borderline 1st round grade. But acknowledging that I am higher than the consensus on Legette if I take him off my board for a moment there is now a little gap between Thomas and the gaggle of 2nd round grades. I'd make a phone call to Seattle at #16. I think Jacksonville is the crunch spot for Thomas, Seattle is a team I think would be willing to move back unless one of the 3 stud edge guys is still there (they are likely looking at the interior of both lines in that scenario IMO). I'd offer my 2nd in 2024 and my 2025 2nd too. 

9 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

If Worthy makes it past the Jags at 17 then I’m starting to call teams. Would pull the trigger to trade up to 23 with the Texans to hop the Cowboys for him.

 

I wouldn't worry about Worthy with the Jags. Baulke's history is he likes big. Don't think Worthy will be for them. Dallas much more in play.

[TBBills Fan]

I had this crazy dream, I missed the start of the draft, it was pick #12 and the Bills had already made a selection!

 

I woke up before I found out the terms of the trade and who we picked. 

[mannc]

I think the only answer to this question is that it depends how day 1 plays out.  Moving into the top 10 is out of the question and 20 is about as high as we could realistically get, so I think you have just wait until then and see who’s still left, but given the number of highly graded WRs and the lack of consensus, I’m staying put. I’d consider a move to 25 or 26, but that’s it.

Edited March 3 by mannc

[Nephilim17]

I don't know enough about college prospects but if the brass loves a guy way more than the other options left, say Brian Thomas as an example, I'm good with giving up a fourth and maybe a third to get him. We should have an extra third because of Edmunds, right?

[Virgil]

Personally, I think we stay put or trade back.  We need more cheap rookie contracts to fill this team out with our cap situation. 

[Special K]

5 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

I don't know enough about college prospects but if the brass loves a guy way more than the other options left, say Brian Thomas as an example, I'm good with giving up a fourth and maybe a third to get him. We should have an extra third because of Edmunds, right?

 

The Bills used their second third round pick in the Rasul Douglas trade, so they only have one third round pick 

Edited March 3 by Special K

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, H2o said:

The Combine has been fun to watch this year because of the performances by those at our greatest position of need, WR. From the 40's, to the drills, to the tape we have already seen on most of these guys, this is the year we can truly get a difference maker to go with Diggs. 

 

The way the draft is going to shake out hinges on how teams view these QB's. That's usually the case, but these year even more so I believe. The first 13 picks are where the most QB needy teams are. In those picks you have 8 teams potentially in the market for a QB. Chicago, Washington, New England, Atlanta, Minnesota, Denver, and Las Vegas. The NY Giants could possibly go QB if they have soured on Danny Dimes and want to groom a guy for a season behind him. There was also talk of the Jets looking at QB's. Then you still have teams like Pittsburgh, Seattle, and Tampa who could be in the QB market come the draft. A few of these teams are likely to fill their need for a QB in FA or via trade with Mayfield, Cousins, Fields, or Wilson. How the QB situation plays out will have a huge impact on the top 13 picks. 

 

Even with the talent pool there are still tiers to this WR class. It is extremely deep though. It's pretty much Harrison, Nabers, and Odunze followed by the rest. I think all three of those guys are going to be stars in this league. Some people say that Nabers may end up being the 1st WR off of the board and not MHJ. Either way, those two with Odunze are the cream of the crop. Even though two of those guys did nothing at the Combine, I have seen enough game film to know what they are. The next tier are all extremely talented, but they have more question marks. Say the draft pans out like the below scenario. Would you be willing to pay the cost to move up from #28 and how far would you go?

 

1. Chicago - Caleb Williams 

2. Washington - Drake Maye

3. New England - Jayden Daniels

4. Arizona - Marvin Harrison Jr.

5. LA Chargers - Brock Bowers

6. NY Giants 

7. Tennessee 

8. Atlanta

9. Chicago 

10. NY Jets

11. Minnesota 

12. Denver 

13. Las Vegas

 

 

I guess a lot of depends on where you feel this team is at overall. And to move up into the top 10, it's gonna cost you. Probably #28, our 2024 2nd, possibly another 2024 pick, 2025's 1st, and a 2025 3rd or 4th as well. Would you call Schoen and pay the price to get Nabers (or Odunze depending on your preference)? Would you wait and see how 6, 7, and 8 play out then hit up Chicago?

 

Me personally, I seriously consider making the move for Nabers. He, Diggs, Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir out there with Josh slinging to rock around? 

 

 

In all seriousness though, who could the defense key on that would stop this offense then? Imo, at least 2 of the 5 would always be open. We'd have the best offense in the NFL. 

 

What would you do? Move up for someone? Stay at #28 and see how the draft plays out? Who is your guy and what would you be willing to do to get him?

 

 

This has Sammy Watkins vibes.  We traded up to get Watkins in a WR rich draft, that was a mistake and even though he was the #1 WR prospect that year, he saw guys go after him that dwarfed his on field production.  

 

There is no one in this draft I would make a big move to get...The ONLY position you do that for is QB.  Any other position is a colossal mistake IMHO.  I could see us moving up to like low 20's or something where the compensation is more reasonable, but only if a guy they covet is there who they have a significantly higher grade on than who might be there at 28.

 

I think its more likely we stay at 28 and wouldn't even be surprised if we traded back a little bit and picked up some extra draft capital if there was say a handful of guys they liked at 28 still on the board.  

[Warriorspikes51]

16 Seattle for Odunze / Brian Thomas Jr

 

19 LAR - 20 PIT  for AD Mitchell / Worthy

 

25 GB for any of above / Legette / Franklin

[LABILLBACKER]

Let's not make the same mistake we made on Sammy. Thomas is the only guy I'd trade up 3-4 spots to get.

[MiracleAtRich1393]

I'd go up to #6 for Nabers

[hondo in seattle]

Every draft pick is a crapshoot and I hope Beane doesn't trade up and leaves us with more rolls of the dice.  

 

 

[Jerboski]

Thomas 

leggett 

Mitchell 

 

you need to leave the first round with one of them

[london_bills]

Could the fact everyone would think we will go WR work in our favour? DE, DT? I think we should surround Josh with the best players we can get so I think we should go WR, just sayin

Edited March 3 by london_bills

[julian]

I’m moving into top 10 for MHJ only, 11-15 for Nabers or Odunze

16-27 for Brian Thomas JR

 

taking Franklin or Worthy at 28

 

 

[Brand J]

I would only stand pat or trade down. No matter how sure I may be of a prospect, or how high I have him graded, history tells us time and time again that I’m just as likely to get it wrong as I am to get it right. Almost assuredly there’ll be a guy taken after the player I select who will be even more productive at the position. That’s just how every NFL draft goes and I shake my head at the ones here who want to mortgage the future on a single player who may or may not work out. 

[SoCal Deek]

Quantity over a dice roll on quality. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

16 Seattle for Odunze / Brian Thomas Jr

 

19 LAR - 20 PIT  for AD Mitchell / Worthy

 

25 GB for any of above / Legette / Franklin

Multiple of those guys will be there at 28, so why would you trade up?  

[John from Riverside]

I would not trade up for anybody in the first round. There’s just gonna be too much quality talent at 28.
 

Round two through the end fair game

[EmotionallyUnstable]

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I would not trade up for anybody in the first round. There’s just gonna be too much quality talent at 28.
 

Round two through the end fair game

A bean favorite 

[aristocrat]

I’d do the kc trade if odunze gets out of the top ten. Next years one

[NoSaint]

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This has Sammy Watkins vibes.  We traded up to get Watkins in a WR rich draft, that was a mistake and even though he was the #1 WR prospect that year, he saw guys go after him that dwarfed his on field production.  

 

There is no one in this draft I would make a big move to get...The ONLY position you do that for is QB.  Any other position is a colossal mistake IMHO.  I could see us moving up to like low 20's or something where the compensation is more reasonable, but only if a guy they covet is there who they have a significantly higher grade on than who might be there at 28.

 

I think its more likely we stay at 28 and wouldn't even be surprised if we traded back a little bit and picked up some extra draft capital if there was say a handful of guys they liked at 28 still on the board.  

or is it Julio Jones vibes? 
 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Multiple of those guys will be there at 28, so why would you trade up?  

 

Agreed. At worst, I'm pretty sure WR7 will be on the board when we pick. I don't see any chance that 8 WR's will go before 28.

 

That said, i'd hope we would try and move up a few picks if a 6th WR came off the board a number of picks before us. In my opinion, there's a bit of a drop off in terms of what we're looking for after WR7.

[nedboy7]

We could get about 10 4th round picks for our 1st.  How can you go wrong. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Agreed. At worst, I'm pretty sure WR7 will be on the board when we pick. I don't see any chance that 8 WR's will go before 28.

 

That said, i'd hope we would try and move up a few picks if a 6th WR came off the board a number of picks before us. In my opinion, there's a bit of a drop off in terms of what we're looking for after WR7.

id almost rather move back if 6 go before our pick 

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

or is it Julio Jones vibes? 
 

 

How many Super Bowls did Atlanta win with Julio Jones?  How many years did Atlanta have a great offense and bad defense because they had no talent on defense and struggled to even make the playoffs or flat out missed the playoffs?

 

Julio Jones trade is not an example of a success story when the goal is a SB win and sustained SB contention.  
 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

id almost rather move back if 6 go before our pick 

 

No way.

 

If 7 guys go, sure. But if even one of Thomas, Worthy, Mitchell, or Legette are there - you take them. There's a drop off after that in my eyes between what we're looking for and who we interviewed for the job.

[SydneyBillsFan]

I am not packaging anything above a fourth rounder with 28. That would get us to 24 or 25.

 

You are getting a really good WR there no matter what.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

I’d do the kc trade if odunze gets out of the top ten. Next years one

No, no it is irresponsible to be trading away that kind of draft capital when you’re going to have to start replacing your veterans with young talent due to having a franchise QB on the books

[mrags]

1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:

We could get about 10 4th round picks for our 1st.  How can you go wrong. 

Just think of all the rotational DEs, RBs, and CBs McDermott can take with that. 

[John from Riverside]

I would trade up in the second round to get sweat

[SoonerBillsFan]

19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

id almost rather move back if 6 go before our pick 

How many Super Bowls did Atlanta win with Julio Jones?  How many years did Atlanta have a great offense and bad defense because they had no talent on defense and struggled to even make the playoffs or flat out missed the playoffs?

 

Julio Jones trade is not an example of a success story when the goal is a SB win and sustained SB contention.  
 

 

How many Superbowls for the Bills with Beane and McDermott spending tons of FA money and high draft picks on the defense?

 

 

[NoSaint]

35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

id almost rather move back if 6 go before our pick 

How many Super Bowls did Atlanta win with Julio Jones?  How many years did Atlanta have a great offense and bad defense because they had no talent on defense and struggled to even make the playoffs or flat out missed the playoffs?

 

Julio Jones trade is not an example of a success story when the goal is a SB win and sustained SB contention.  
 

 

It’s crazy that so many still don’t realize the difference between having the best qb in the league vs the second best in your own division and that’s maybe 10-12 in the league. Matt Ryan isn’t a guy capable of being the leader of that success.

 

the dolphins failures the last couple years weren’t the tyreek trade, for instance 

 

im not pounding the table to make the move but if it’s netting a truly elite player im not complaining about it either 

19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

No, no it is irresponsible to be trading away that kind of draft capital when you’re going to have to start replacing your veterans with young talent due to having a franchise QB on the books

Sounds irresponsible not to try your best to win one when you put it like that

[Captain Hindsight]

8 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

I had this crazy dream, I missed the start of the draft, it was pick #12 and the Bills had already made a selection!

 

I woke up before I found out the terms of the trade and who we picked. 

Go back to sleep and report back

[nedboy7]

33 minutes ago, mrags said:

Just think of all the rotational DEs, RBs, and CBs McDermott can take with that. 

ironically we have only drafted 2 players in the 4th round under McBean. Gabe and Taron. 

Edited March 4 by nedboy7

[mathja]

This is like the Eric Moulds draft.