How did we not win a superbowl?

[Awwufelloff]

[Buffalo_Stampede]

We don’t play Washington and Las Vegas in the Divisional round of the playoffs.

Edited February 15 by Buffalo_Stampede

[SoonerBillsFan]

A combo of Coaching, injuries and lack of consistent productivity.  All the picks on the DL, and not a true Alpha stud among them.  Oliver is very good, but the rest, including FA's haven't produced.  

[JoPoy88]

1 hour ago, Awwufelloff said:

Because they didn’t beat the chiefs, chiefs, bengals, and chiefs.

 

sitting on one aggregate stat and crying over it is, dont want to be too insulting, but it’s pathetic. 
 

beating the piss outta various bad (and sometimes good!) teams during the regular season over the past 3 seasons doesn’t mean anything as far as winning championships.

Edited February 15 by JoPoy88

[Awwufelloff]

14 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Because they didn’t beat the chiefs, chiefs, bengals, and chiefs.

 

sitting on one aggregate stat and crying over it is, dont want to be too insulting, but it’s pathetic. 
 

beating the piss outta various bad (and sometimes good!) teams during the regular season over the past 3 seasons doesn’t mean anything as far as winning championships.

You could have just said we got outcoached 

[SirAndrew]

We’ve invested heavily in defense with a great QB who can put up a lot of points. I attribute the point deferential to feasting on bad teams. This defense can totally shut down mediocre QB’s, but that doesn’t happen against the great QB’s. The playoffs become an offensive battle that we continue to fall slightly short in. 

[zow2]

Unfortunately Mahomes/Reid rewrote the legacy’s of Allen/McDermott.

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

A combo of Coaching, injuries and lack of consistent productivity.  All the picks on the DL, and not a true Alpha stud among them.  Oliver is very good, but the rest, including FA's haven't produced.  

A fair bit of what you say is valid, one could say that we have not had all the needed pieces on offense present at the same time, while using to much of our resources on a defense that has annually failed in clutch moments during the regular and especially the post season. In a nutshell, more resources to the offensive side and a modification of defensive scheme,  so that opponents don’t get a constant free release off the line of scrimmage and can’t so easily march down the field and score the winning field goal or touchdown, I could go on but I think everyone gets the point, 😂

[Augie]

The Chiefs have another gear we were unable to match with a crippled roster. 

 

EDIT: We are not alone in struggling vs the Chiefs in the playoffs. We are not some kind of singular failure.

 

 

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Edited February 15 by Augie

[1ManRaid]

7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

You could have just said we got outcoached 

 

Coaching didn't make us be missing half our defensive starters for any given game.

 

Coaching did hurt a little playing man coverage 10 yards deep on 3rd and 4 against the Bengals, but he's gone now.

 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

A combo of Coaching, injuries and lack of consistent productivity.  All the picks on the DL, and not a true Alpha stud among them.  Oliver is very good, but the rest, including FA's haven't produced.  

 

 

Those are all factors, especially all the defensive injuries this year, but the #1 factor is this:

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs. The only other team to knock us out caught us when absolutely emotionally deadened by the Hamlin thing, Knox's brother's death, the supermarket shooting, and on and on.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs were fractionally better all three times, just barely eking past us.

Edited February 15 by Thurman#1

[26TrapDraw]

7 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Because they didn’t beat the chiefs, chiefs, bengals, and chiefs.

 

sitting on one aggregate stat and crying over it is, dont want to be too insulting, but it’s pathetic. 
 

beating the piss outta various bad (and sometimes good!) teams during the regular season over the past 3 seasons doesn’t mean anything as far as winning championships.

The new joy we had this year was we lost a few games to teams we should have curb stomped. Being a Bills fan sometimes is just 

 

Super Duper.

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, 26TrapDraw said:

The new joy we had this year was we lost a few games to teams we should have curb stomped. Being a Bills fan sometimes is just 

 

Super Duper.

 

Also, the close calls against the Bucs and Giants. I know we won those games but in some ways, it felt like a loss.

[Mr. WEO]

they don't invite you out of the stands to come down and play the Super Bowl...

[SoCal Deek]

This has been hashed and rehashed in countless threads since we were eliminated. In the end it came down to the same fatal flaw that doomed the 49ers on Sunday. You simply cannot give the ball back to Mahomes when he knows what he needs to win the game. The 49ers shouldn’t have kicked the field goal and neither should’ve the Bills attempted one. But sadly….we never seem to learn. 

[Mark80]

We lost to the Chiefs.

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

You could have just said we got outcoached 

Most games are won/lost by a handful of plays. Sometimes you can blame coaches on them (see McDermott/Smiley call on Hamlin punt runyet all that did was cost us was field position and however long the Chiefs had the ball before the Hardman fumble) and others you can't (see Josh's failure to hit Shakir/Diggs on 2nd down and whomever missed on 3rd down and Bass' missed field goal. To say we were outcoached puts no onus on the players which is just not fair to our coaching staff. Why is it when Patrick Mahomes struggled this season it was because he had bad WRs? Yet when we struggle it's lack of good players and good coaching? The reason so many are blaming Josh for not getting it to Diggs on 2nd down was because that was his decision, our coaches schemed Diggs open and at the end of the day our QB elected to go elsewhere unlike he did most of the day. As most of the day he took the open guy and allowed the offense to milk the clock. To blame it simply on the coaches is lazy. 

[Matt_In_NH]

You don't win Super Bowl's with point differential.  You win Super Bowl's by winning a number of individual games by any amount of points.  There are a lot of numbers that show the Bills have been very dominant over the last 4 years.  Point differential is one, Offensive and Defensive rankings are also at the top of the league which is unusual.   The team should have had more playoff success that is why everyone is frustrated.  Some are in the "they can do it in the regular season but not in the playoffs and that will never change until you fire everyone" camp.   It comes down to plays here and there in the playoffs.

[LarryMadman]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

The Chiefs have another gear we were unable to match with a crippled roster. 

Didn't know that happened in 2020, 2021, and 2022 also. 

 

 

[Billsatlastin2018]

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

beating the piss outta various bad (and sometimes good!) teams during the regular season over the past 3 seasons doesn’t mean anything as far as winning championships.

Uhhhh… hellooooo! ✔️🍺

 

So many Bills fans here- no doubt because of the decade and a half of wandering around in the NFL wilderness, are more than content beating up the tomato cans of the Regular Season sked.

 

One of the most prominent and respected posters here, completely disagreed with me, by touting the Bills D as one of the superior ones in the league.

Indeed… against the stiffs and bums of the Regular Season!
 

I decided not to respond by pointing out the horrific collapses and simply horrifying, sieve like numbers of McDs Ds versus the Chiefs & Bungles in the Playoffs! Let alone,the scary Ws against the Sunday Beer League 3rd stringer of the Fish… in the snow… or the other backup this year from Pittsburgh! 
 

These have NOT been Playoff… no SB Champion Ds, not by a long shot! 
 

And there is a belief that that Albatross Miller, in his mid 30s, is finally going to be ACL resurrected.
 

I do not share that belief.

 

As well as Tre White. Great human being, very good D player when uninsured but he is- Achilles! Cannot be allowed to return. No chance he’ll be at his best.

 

The Bills need to upgrade asap. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Our defense never makes stops against the good QBs.

 

We can talk about it 500 different ways. Since Houston 19…that’s it. That the reason. We can keep pretending or keep ignoring it. That’s the problem 

Edited February 16 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[Not Applicable]

The Chiefs have been down by double digits in all four of their Super Bowls and came back to win three of them. How do the Bills react when they're down in games? Do we keep our cool and stick to the plan, or do we panic a little bit?

 

We're essentially front-runners; this stat proves it. When things are going well, they go REALLY well. When we face a little adversity, ehhhh...

[H2o]

10 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

The Chiefs have two, the Rams, and the Bucs who beat the Chiefs in the SB. We have lost to our arch nemesis (KC) in the Playoffs three times in there, with all three times them ending up in the SB. The other loss was to the Bengals, who lost to the Chiefs the following week. Regular season point differentials mean nothing. 

Edited February 15 by H2o

[Thurman#1]

9 minutes ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Uhhhh… hellooooo! ✔️🍺

 

So many Bills fans here- no doubt because of the decade and a half of wandering around in the NFL wilderness, are more than content beating up the tomato cans of the Regular Season sked.

 

One of the most prominent and respected posters here, completely disagreed with me, by touting the Bills D as one of the superior ones in the league.

Indeed… against the stiffs and bums of the Regular Season!
 

I decided not to respond by pointing out the horrific collapses and simply horrifying, sieve like numbers of McDs Ds versus the Chiefs & Bungles in the Playoffs! Let alone,the scary Ws against the Sunday Beer League 3rd stringer of the Fish… in the snow… or the other backup this year from Pittsburgh! 
 

These have NOT been Playoff… no SB Champion Ds, not by a long shot! 
 

And there is a belief that that Albatross Miller, in his mid 30s, is finally going to be ACL resurrected.
 

I do not share that belief.

 

As well as Tre White. Great human being, very good D player when uninsured but he is- Achilles! Cannot be allowed to return. No chance he’ll be at his best.

 

The Bills need to upgrade asap. 

 

 

An awful lot here that doesn't make much sense.

 

For one, you say, "No chance [Tre]'s at his best. That's both obviously purely distilled guesswork and near-irrelevant. He doesn't need to be at his best. If he's damn good he'll be worth every penny of his very reasonable salary this year. We'd save virtually nothing by cutting him. It'll be about what it's always about. Lots of things falling on the scales, including financial, physical, what we get in FA and the draft,

 

The fact you want him gone says far more about you than it does about the situation.

 

Second, they absolutely were a terrific defense. Before the injuries.

 

Injuries which are unpredictable and in fact random. You're certainly right that after those injuries they weren't a championship defense. Before, they were really really good. And even with that they allowed two more points and 130 yards less to the Chiefs than the Niners did in the SB. And the Niners are a terrific defense.
 

 

[Your Brown Eye]

[BuffaloMatt]

We didn't score enough points....

[Magox]

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

Because they didn’t beat the chiefs, chiefs, bengals, and chiefs.

 

sitting on one aggregate stat and crying over it is, dont want to be too insulting, but it’s pathetic. 
 

beating the piss outta various bad (and sometimes good!) teams during the regular season over the past 3 seasons doesn’t mean anything as far as winning championships.

 

That's bull####.   The Bills have beaten a lot of good teams, the last two games in the playoffs against the Chiefs could have gone either way.  There was definitely some bad juju and luck.  If the Bills don't give up the 13 seconds or even for that matter the bad luck of a loss of a coin flip in that game or this last game, if Jones gets to Josh Allen 10/100's of a second the game very likely ends differently or even just having Bernard play that game it most likely is a different ending.

 

The point is that the Bills are right there, they have been dominant and they have been the toughest challengers to the Chiefs over the past 2 years in the league.

 

This bitching and moaning that the Bills are so far off and that they need to completely retool is preposterous.  No wholesale changes need to be made, they are right freaking there, surround Josh with more playmakers through this draft, get a couple solid Defensive contributors and the Bills will be right there again next season.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

The Chiefs have another gear we were unable to match with a crippled roster. 

Did the Chiefs have the extra gear or did our Offense and Defense blow it on our final drives?

[HOUSE]

We built the stadium next to a graveyard 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Those are all factors, especially all the defensive injuries this year, but the #1 factor is this:

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs. The only other team to knock us out caught us when absolutely emotionally deadened by the Hamlin thing, Knox's brother's death, the supermarket shooting, and on and on.

 

Mahomes and the Chiefs were fractionally better all three times, just barely eking past us.

Because we didn't draft good enough guys on the DL and Andy Reid knows McDermott inside and out and knows how to attack him.  McDermott needs to let the new DC implement HIS system and stay out of it.  If you keep doing the same things expecting the same results, its insanity.  Changes MUST be made.

 

Much Better draft picks on the DL,  WR and in the secondary along with a change in systems will make a huge difference.  You can't keep coming at KC with the same old **** year after year.

[Awwufelloff]

53 minutes ago, H2o said:

The Chiefs have two, the Rams, and the Bucs who beat the Chiefs in the SB. We have lost to our arch nemesis (KC) in the Playoffs three times in there, with all three times them ending up in the SB. The other loss was to the Bengals, who lost to the Chiefs the following week. Regular season point differentials mean nothing. 

Do they? The team in 2nd won 3 superbowls and went to 4. It seems to me they mean something. Not to mention we're 3-0 the last 3 times we faced the Chiefs in arrowhead in the regular season. Without the Chiefs we win 1, probably 2 superbowls. Its really unfortunate we gave them Mahomes. I chalk it up to Bills luck.

21 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

We built the stadium next to a graveyard 

This might be the only true answer. It would make everything make sense. We're building a new stadium in the same spot, something only the Bills would do.

Edited February 15 by Awwufelloff

[ddaryl]

Same reason we beat KC in the regular season but can not beat them in the post season. We do not have the coach / GM with the vision needed and are learning as they go. Unlike Reid who has decades as an NFL coach and plenty of experience to pull from and a GM who knew what he had with Mahommes and made sure he had to tools around him 

[Blackbeard]

All this McD bitching.

 

I sat and spoke with steve tasker during the season.  I specifically asked him about McD, to which he responded that the fans take that he isn't a good coach is absurd.  He said McD is one of the best in the league and is going no where.  He raved about him.

 

Its easy to sit back and play Monday morning QB, but here is a ex pro player, completely in the know.  

 

Did some of McD's decisions not pan out, yes.  But ALL COACHES make decisions that don't pan out.  

 

We are LUCKY to have him as a coach.  He is top 5 in the league.  

6 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Same reason we beat KC in the regular season but can not beat them in the post season. We do not have the coach / GM with the vision needed and are learning as they go. Unlike Reid who has decades as an NFL coach and plenty of experience to pull from and a GM who knew what he had with Mahommes and made sure he had to tools around him 

Dude you can't even spell Mahomes.  What do you know about coaching and GM'ing?

 

Christ.  But lets can the coach.  

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, zow2 said:

Unfortunately Mahomes/Reid rewrote the legacy’s of Allen/McDermott.

Exactly,  not winning a SB has absolutely nothing to do with point differential.  We're capable of getting to the final 8 every year. We gotta find a formula to reduce injuries.  We must find better ways to motivate the players around Josh come divisional time.  And last but not least our coaches, starting with Sean, must step up their game in strategy and scheme. All 3 of these factors must converge or Josh will be running around playing Superman all by himself. 

[hondo in seattle]

9 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:

You could have just said we got outcoached 

 

Yet coaching helped produce that point differential.  It's impressive that McD and his staff are producing a much better point-differential than Reid, Shanahan or any other coach.  

 

And yet, not a single SB appearance over that stretch.  You'd think there'd be at least one.  

 

If coaching is the problem, why does McD outcoach the rest of the NFL during the regular season but not in the postseason?  How is he different in the playoffs?  Does he suddenly scheme differently?  Or prepare the team differently? 

[nedboy7]

8 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:

All this McD bitching.

 

I sat and spoke with steve tasker during the season.  I specifically asked him about McD, to which he responded that the fans take that he isn't a good coach is absurd.  He said McD is one of the best in the league and is going no where.  He raved about him.

 

Its easy to sit back and play Monday morning QB, but here is a ex pro player, completely in the know.  

 

Did some of McD's decisions not pan out, yes.  But ALL COACHES make decisions that don't pan out.  

 

We are LUCKY to have him as a coach.  He is top 5 in the league.  

Dude you can't even spell Mahomes.  What do you know about coaching and GM'ing?

 

Christ.  But lets can the coach.  

 

This fan base doesn't deserve this team at some level.  Or I am confusing the non stop bitching on here with real fan behavior. 

Reality is people reflect their own misery onto the team. 

[Another Fan]

The Jets are by far the worst in point deferential per that graph.  The team plays them twice a year 

[Awwufelloff]

10 minutes ago, Another Fan said:

The Jets are by far the worst in point deferential per that graph.  The team plays them twice a year 

So what? The Chiefs play the Raiders, Broncos, and Charger who are all below 0 for point differential while the Patriots and Dolphins who we also face twice are positive.

1 hour ago, Your Brown Eye said:

The correct answer.

[warrior9]

Our coach has folded when he's played any QB that wasn't a back up in the play offs and has been brutally out coached.

Edited February 15 by warrior9

[2003Contenders]

It goes in cycles -- and assuming we still have #17 for years to come, the Bills' time will eventually come.

 

It took Landry and the Cowboys awhile to get to the dance because Lombardi and the Packers stood in their way.

It took Noll and the Steelers awhile because Shula and the Dolphins stood in their way.

It took the Raiders awhile because the Steelers stood in their way.

It took the 49ers awhile because Landry's Cowboys stood in their way.

Then, it took the Cowboys awhile because the 49ers stood in their way.

It took Favre and the Packers awhile because the Aikman/Emmitt/Irvin Cowboys stood in their way.

It took the whole league awhile (including Manning/Colts, Cowher/Steelers, Reid/Chiefs) to get past the Brady/Belichick Patriots.

Now, it is KC with Reid/Mahomes that stands in everyone's way.

 

I am optimistic that with a few additions (especially at WR and on defense) and better luck with health come playoff time, we will eventually see the Bills hoist a Lombardi trophy.