Beast Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, theAteam said: Are we going to have the capital to sign a FA wr? GM’s love draft picks. Don’t be surprised to see a draft day deal with the Bills for a WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Nephilim17 said: Dumb. A top safety or even CB or DT or DE will NOT impact the Bills chance of winning as much as a stud WR on a 5-year rookie contract. Josh throwing to a big, fast young WR is the single biggest difference this team can make going forward. We lack a "dangerous" player on this team and this is the draft to get a dangerous WR in the first round. Draft a CB or safety in the second but not the first. How is it dumb though? Who says you cant take a stud WR prospect and still do a defensive heavy draft? We have 10 picks...you listed 1 need on offense while we have many many holes on defense. Have you seen the FA list for the defense? Not to mention Hyde is gone and Poyer isn't a lock to be back either. Tre is probably a cap casualty too, Von is no longer Von, AJE could be out the door leaving us with no DE's. Our defense was by far the biggest reason we lost to KC because of some injuries. Now imagine how bad our defense will be if we strip 6 to 8 other significant contributors from it next season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Only disagreement is on that early WR pick. I think most on this board understand, and are even in favor, of a very heavy defensive draft given our needs on that side of the ball. I also agree with going Safety->DT->DE. Heck, I'd say Safety->DT->DE->Safety->DB->DT. After our WR pick tho. Preach, man. You got this nailed too 💯. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) A true #2 or potential #1 WR is most pressing need. Honestly I,would prefer trading the first round pick for an established guy just as they did with Diggs if one is available. S, Edge, C, DT and another WR in no particular order. Draft best punter in the 5th or 6th round. Before the season I would have said OT. But now I think Brown is fine at RT. They can get by with Dawkins for another year at LT. I'd be ok with an OT in top four rounds only if they fill some other holes on defense in free agency Edited January 24 by Ethan in Cleveland 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Look I stump for Safety being an underappreciated position. If a godly pick drops in our laps at 28 I would be tempted. But in 2017 the Bills went out and picked up a pair of safeties for a combined cap hit of $15 M and they anchored those spots for 7 seasons. Superb splash Defensive players you need to get in a draft. You can absolutely pick up journeyman DT3, rotational depth DE, DB depth and safety without breaking the bank so you don't NEED to hem yourselves in for a need WR2? I have a thread on this but GABE DAVIS is looking to get $13.6 M a year. You can't tell me we can afford to get into a bidding war for an upgrade. Draft WR priority #1. I don't care if you live up or back but that's the priority 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I would like to pick the best DE, Safety, and WR and I don’t care what order they’re in. We need to hit on a Puuka Nukua - that’s also not luck - that’s scouting. The Rams know what they’re doing. Tank Dell, Nukua, St. Brown - WR does not have to be a round 1 priority anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 31 minutes ago, billrooter said: The defense has let us down every year in the playoffs, no matter what resources we spent on it in any given year. I think the scheme sucks, the zone is crap against the best QBs, hence it gets picked apart every year. Inside the 20 at the very least, why can't we play more man to man? I can't disagree with any of that. Maybe they drafted Elam in the hope that White and Elam would give them two cover corners. Elam hasn't made it, and White hasn't been able to stay on the field. McD always says that his D is predicated on getting pass rush from 4 guys. If you can pressure the QB with 4, you can afford to play more zone. Bills were fourth in sacks this season, but I think that was because McDermott blitzed more than he usually does. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I don't mind a lot of mid to late-round defense picks but at the very least round 1 should be a WR and round 2 or 3 should also be offensive line depth. Round 2 and 4-5a could be defense there's more depth needs there but I would also still like to see one of the round 5 picks also be on offense likely a RB or WR for depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Hell no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: Kincaid is a great weapon that needs to be used more in the offense, but he's never going to be fast enough to fill that other hole we have on offense we need another guy. Tyreek Hill. 5th round. Speedy WR does not mean 1st Round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Can't wait for the Bills to go D early in draft. This board will be priceless🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I disagree 100% with this take. Let's start with this from the article: "The Bills proceeded to draft, trade for and sign players to surround Allen in the hopes of having a year-in-and-year-out dynamic offense. It has mostly worked." How can anyone who covers the Bills and claims to know football say this? A more accurate statement would be that after tearing the Bills completely down in 2018 they signed serviceable guys to allow a functioning offense. The only thing that has worked in the Bills plan here is that Allen has been a far better & dynamic QB in his career then anyone thought he would be in 2018. The ONLY high end Offensive players the Bills have signed in free agency from 2019 - 2023 were Morse & Diggs. And the ONLY 1st round picks spent on Offensive players between 2019 - 2023 was the one to get Diggs and drafting Kincaid. O'Halloran calls out the failures of the defense over the last 3 seasons and then makes a weird argument that the Bills haven't emphasized defense over that period of time when they have used multiple 1st & 2nd round draft picks to address the D as well as making the biggest FA acquisition over the last 3 years with Von Miller. The only thing I like is O'Halloran's call for high volume on D selections. Yea, lets spend a lot of 4th - 7th round picks, sign lot of rookie FA's and sign a lot of low cost FA JAGS. But the #1 priority going into the off season must be to get, either through the draft or FA, a top flight WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 10 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Tyreek Hill. 5th round. Speedy WR does not mean 1st Round. How many other WRs get drafted in R5 that don't do anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 minute ago, Brandon said: How many other WRs get drafted in R5 that don't do anything? Alert: There are other rounds besides Round 1. There’s 2, 3, 4…even 7. Stevie Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) It would be a very Bills thing to do to throw the kitchen sink at the defense when they could fix the most obvious problem on offense by adding one quality player. 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Alert: There are other rounds besides Round 1. There’s 2, 3, 4…even 7. Stevie Johnson. You forgot round 6 and Marquez Stevenson. Edited January 24 by Brandon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, theAteam said: Are we going to have the capital to sign a FA wr? Maybe Boyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, Shaw66 said: The offense, on the other hand, is pretty well set. I'd love to have a better running back to pair with Cook. People moan about the receivers, but I think the moaning is way out of line with reality. The Bills had the eighth most passing yards in the league, only 30 yards a game less than the top teams. Kincaid now has his rookie season under his belt, and he can be expected to be better next season. Diggs was 13th in yards and 7th in receptions in the league. Shakir is coming on. The offensive line was solid. Bills will need a center, and upgrades anywhere are always nice. However, compared to the defense, the offense is relatively set - it was one of the best offenses in the league. The numbers support your argument but I think they're impacted by the cheat code called Josh Allen. He has proven over the last 4 seasons that he can be wildly productive with average to below average offensive talent around him. This is what puts the Bills in the top 10 statistical categories every year and gives us a false sense of comfort. But what the Bills are missing is the possibility of how good the offense could be if you surrounded Allen with above average talent. Focusing on the offense sets up the possibility that we might see just how HIGH the ceiling of a Josh Allen offense can be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Only disagreement is on that early WR pick. I think most on this board understand, and are even in favor, of a very heavy defensive draft given our needs on that side of the ball. I also agree with going Safety->DT->DE. Heck, I'd say Safety->DT->DE->Safety->DB->DT. After our WR pick tho. There could be the top safety prospect still on the board by the time we draft with WR being deep. If we go WR id love to go all in on MHJ and have Josh and him for eternity. If we can shore up WR, and I don't see Davis getting over $9mm/yr x 3... So I'd put an offer of out as a veteran #4, depth outside guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 He's not wrong in the sense that we have 2 positions that we need lots of bodies for, and they're both on Defense: Safety & DT. I just don't think you draft either in the first round. And yeah, our offense should run through Kincaid and honestly I think we have lots of rosterable WRs still under contract, but the Bills need to draft the Diggs replacement this year... especially with this being a strong WR class. We need a WR in round 1 or 2 and it needs to likely be an "X Receiver." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: I'm not like most on this board then. I say ignore defensive needs, intentionally downgrade the defense in order to FINALLY give Josh Allen the weapons he needs to win a Superbowl for the first time in his life. I want a young, talented, athletic, DEEP WR room. And Diggs may or may not be on the back nine. First 3 picks should all be WR as far as I'm concerned. Wide receiver was in a position of desperation 3 years ago; at this point it is way past desperation. Fielding a team that has only 1 DT, 2 DEs, and 1 Safety (Hamlin) on the entire roster would certainly be the defensive downgrade you are after. But we simply cant roll that out. It's not about upgrading the defense. It's about having a full starting lineup of 11 guys. 1 WR pick, then the rest have to be Defense. Unless you want to line up those 2nd and 3rd picked WRs as DBs. Edited January 24 by DrDawkinstein 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 We need two wide receivers out of this draft 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Nope. A WR and another in the 3rd round as I expect a safety in the 🥈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 His comparison is wrong. Detroit got a bunch of picks from trading players. Their current QB was a throw in. I don’t know the depth of the draft with positions i think one of their top 2 should be on WR, the other top 2 should be on defense. A safety,and a DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Fielding a team that has only 1 DT, 2 DEs, and 1 Safety (Hamlin) on the entire roster would certainly be the defensive downgrade you are after. But we simply cant roll that out. It's not about upgrading the defense. It's about having a full starting lineup of 11 guys. 1 WR pick, then the rest have to be Defense. Unless you want to line up those 2nd and 3rd picked WRs as DBs. This is the reason Beane could be on the hot seat next off-season. McDermott didn't win with the teams he was given and now we got backed into a corner trying to run it back with scrapyard components. If we find ourselves outside looking in on the playoffs next year the whole tide turns, not just on McDermott. We absolutely must draft deep on defense and address the WR with a bona fide #2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, Gregg said: WR in RD 1 please. They do need to address the defense as well. But they need another weapon for Allen to throw to. If Diggs really is starting to decline, then the WR pick becomes more important. Also need pass rushing DE. Strachan from Univ of SCarolina could be had in round 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 minutes ago, boyst said: This is the reason Beane could be on the hot seat next off-season. McDermott didn't win with the teams he was given and now we got backed into a corner trying to run it back with scrapyard components. If we find ourselves outside looking in on the playoffs next year the whole tide turns, not just on McDermott. We absolutely must draft deep on defense and address the WR with a bona fide #2. Keep in mind though that the AFC East is in disarray. IMO the Bills go into next season in better shape versus the rest of the division then we did this season. And as much as I criticize McD he is a solid coach who like Marvin Lewis in Cincinnati will get the Bills to the playoffs next season and win the division. Then we will exit the playoffs in round 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessImproverMan Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Only way drafting so many defenseman is justifiable is if we somehow sign Higgins as a free agent wide receiver. If we draft like this without signing Higgins, fans should refuse to spend money on the team until Pegula becomes a true American patriot and fires both McDermott and Beane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Fielding a team that has only 1 DT, 2 DEs, and 1 Safety (Hamlin) on the entire roster would certainly be the defensive downgrade you are after. But we simply cant roll that out. It's not about upgrading the defense. It's about having a full starting lineup of 11 guys. 1 WR pick, then the rest have to be Defense. Unless you want to line up those 2nd and 3rd picked WRs as DBs. What are you talking about? Who said don't fill the roster with players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Dumb. A top safety or even CB or DT or DE will NOT impact the Bills chance of winning as much as a stud WR on a 5-year rookie contract. Josh throwing to a big, fast young WR is the single biggest difference this team can make going forward. We lack a "dangerous" player on this team and this is the draft to get a dangerous WR in the first round. Draft a CB or safety in the second but not the first. I'm so sick and tired of throwing darts at defensive players while Josh has had scraps as weapons over the last 4-5 years. Now with that said if we can draft a quality wr in the 1st and maybe land a good fa wr (not a Harty/ Sherfield type) then kock yourself out in rounds 2-7 on defense. Maybe Shorter or Hamler stick? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, ddaryl said: I view Kincaid like Beasely was for Allen. Just finding openings and getting 1st downs He’s capable of much more than that, especially if a speedy wide receiver is added to the mix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, OZBILLS said: Everyone is hell bent on a WR, which is incorrect and I'll be laughing when it fails. DEF all the way how many times do you have to hear "everyone was covered" before you recognize the urgent need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: In terms of the numbers … they will go Defense heavy in the draft But I still expect them to pick at least 1 receiver ( first round), maybe another mid round depending on what happens in FA… and a C in rounds 3-4 to learn the job for a year and take over in 2025 … Get that done and I could care less if they use all those Day 3 picks on the D … Ain’t much gonna happen in free agency unless Von and Diggs want to adjust their contract to their value. a good speedy wide out will have to come through the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: Fielding a team that has only 1 DT, 2 DEs, and 1 Safety (Hamlin) on the entire roster would certainly be the defensive downgrade you are after. But we simply cant roll that out. It's not about upgrading the defense. It's about having a full starting lineup of 11 guys. 1 WR pick, then the rest have to be Defense. Unless you want to line up those 2nd and 3rd picked WRs as DBs. My only quibble (listed above) is decent journeyman play at a lot of our D openings can be found for reasonable money before the draft. I know that because that's how we got Shaq, Daquan, Floyd, Phillips, Hyde and Poyer. I absolutely support reloading our defensive depth and priming future superstars, but we don't have the luxury to bid for those on offense. We are lucky enough to be in great position on O-line, TE, QB and RB but WR is a debilitating weakness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The issue is that McDermott could have the 2001 Ravens defensive and they’d play small in the biggest games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 So follow the KC model and trade their best WR for additional picks and spend them all on the defense? I agree about the needs on defense but WR comes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said: Ain’t much gonna happen in free agency unless Von and Diggs want to adjust their contract to their value. a good speedy wide out will have to come through the draft I don’t see Von or Diggs agreeing to a pay cut …but I still see other roster moves being made like restructuring Josh again and cutting some other guys to allow some modest FA moves …which may include finding a mid tier WR … not expecting Evans or Higgins though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Dumb. A top safety or even CB or DT or DE will NOT impact the Bills chance of winning as much as a stud WR on a 5-year rookie contract. Josh throwing to a big, fast young WR is the single biggest difference this team can make going forward. We lack a "dangerous" player on this team and this is the draft to get a dangerous WR in the first round. Draft a CB or safety in the second but not the first. Everyone wants a stud round 1 WR but it’s not a sure thing they work out especially year 1. I would much rather spend my cap money on a proven young WR (Higgins, Pittman) and then get a mid round pick at WR to go with diggs and shakir. If that first round receiver isn’t a stud out of the gate your wr situation next year is worse than this year. Use the draft to get young and cheap on defense and use all available assets in FA to load up on proven talent for Josh. Diggs contract will be off the books after next year so you can structure a proven wr contract with a low year 1 cap hit then have it increase the following years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Idiotic article. Bills have nothing to show for their defensive drafts. Time to go offense heavy. Get Josh weapons, because we were undermanned and outgunned. Only way we win is to score more points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I don’t see Von or Diggs agreeing to a pay cut …but I still see other roster moves being made like restructuring Josh again and cutting some other guys to allow some modest FA moves …which may include finding a mid tier WR … not expecting Evans or Higgins though I just think there are so many holes to fill that whatever savings we get from renegotiating will go to fill the immediate holes, a speedy wide receiver if available won’t come cheap. The logical place to get one is the draft. But who knows what will happen??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said: I just think there are so many holes to fill that whatever savings we get from renegotiating will go to fill the immediate holes, a speedy wide receiver if available won’t come cheap. The logical place to get one is the draft. But who knows what will happen??? Time will tell… get at least one in the draft … but FA could be an option for WR … look everywhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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