Playoff Lenny should be active rest of year...

[Hebert19]

He will be active rest if way. Key here. 4 career fumbles. Ya you read that right. He has only fumbled 4 times. Plus he has big game experience and is a great receiver and blocker.

[BuffaloBill]

That’s crazy.

 

[NewEra]

[Prospector]

Who

[co_springs_billsfan]

15 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

He will be active rest if way. Key here. 4 career fumbles. Ya you read that right. He has only fumbled 4 times. Plus he has big game experience and is a great receiver and blocker.

Thanks for the jinx you jive turkey!

[TFBillsfan]

What’s crazy is he’s only 28. 

[Prospector]

Oh. Fournette… forgot he was called Lenny by some. And I kinda forget he’s on our team sometimes. 

[Warcodered]

I mean he was active for Ty Johnson who will likely be back so who is sitting?

[Big Turk]

27 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

He will be active rest if way. Key here. 4 career fumbles. Ya you read that right. He has only fumbled 4 times. Plus he has big game experience and is a great receiver and blocker.

 

Unlikely, Johnson is the better player and he was missed yesterday.

[PromoTheRobot]

28 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

He will be active rest if way. Key here. 4 career fumbles. Ya you read that right. He has only fumbled 4 times. Plus he has big game experience and is a great receiver and blocker.

 

Fun fact about Fournette: he's not that old. (28) It only seems like he's been in the NFL forever.

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Unlikely, Johnson is the better player and he was missed yesterday.

 

What about Murray?

[BigBadBills]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

I mean he was active for Ty Johnson who will likely be back so who is sitting?

Murray

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Fun fact about Fournette: he's not that old. (28) It only seems like he's been in the NFL forever.

 

What about Murray?

 

Murray adds a different element, but I have liked Johnson more than Murray.  Pretty much anytime Johnson has touched the ball something good has happened.

[Billzgobowlin]

I don't care if Johnson is active.  I would sit Sherfield before Fournette.  

[Punching Bag]

Murray has been used for goal line back and supporting Josh when he runs it.

Bills will need to be confident that Fournette can handle that role.

[Hsker4life]

5 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Murray adds a different element, but I have liked Johnson more than Murray.  Pretty much anytime Johnson has touched the ball something good has happened.

But what does Murray add that Fournette does not?

[Bookie Man]

I'd really like to see some 2 rb packages, with Cook being the jet sweep option. Teams would have to respect that. 

[PromoTheRobot]

Murray has been less effective lately in short yardage.

 

Maybe McDermott was stashing Lenny for the playoffs? Keep him fresh?

[Dan Darragh]

3 minutes ago, Hsker4life said:

But what does Murray add that Fournette does not?

Murray has a more interesting first name.

[Big Turk]

13 minutes ago, Hsker4life said:

But what does Murray add that Fournette does not?

 

Better YPC?

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BigBadBills said:

Murray

Could be, as similar skill set. Ty brings elusive speed game. Good problem to have. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Go Cleveland?

[Kaenon]

How many fumbles does Cook have in his career?

 

Only 1 last year, first play of his career.

4 this year, but only 2 before last night's game.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Fun fact about Fournette: he's not that old. (28) It only seems like he's been in the NFL forever.

 

What about Murray?

I'm playing Fournette over Murray but it's still Cook and Johnson in the pecking order. Glad he got some carries last night.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, TFBillsfan said:

What’s crazy is he’s only 28. 

What!? It seems like he should be 34 or something.

12 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

How many fumbles does Cook have in his career?

 

Only 1 last year, first play of his career.

4 this year, but only 2 before last night's game.

That's a lot.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

No he won’t.

[LeGOATski]

I like the "heavy" personnel of Diggs/Knox/Kincaid/Cook/Fournette

 

I also like the spread personnel of Diggs/Kincaid/Shakir/Cook/(Gabe or other)

 

They can be so creative with these guys and effectively keep a defense off balance/control the clock.

[boyst]

It's actually two fumbles running on 1,137.

 

And 2 fumbles on 312 catches. 

[boater]

5 carries for 20 yards.

 

He did "OK'   ..not great, just OK.

 

Though, I am intrigued by his above average ball security stats.

[gobilz]

how do you know ?

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

4 hours ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

Thanks for the jinx you jive turkey!

He was solid last night.  I fully expect more touches in the next couple games

 

[Turbo44]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Unlikely, Johnson is the better player and he was missed yesterday.

Incorrect.  Fournette is the better player.  The reason he wasn't called up until yesterday is you can only call up a player 3 times before having to make him active.  They will use all 3 call ups with yesterday's call up and the next 2 weeks.  Come playoff time, if we make it, there are no call up rules.

[Mikie2times]

6 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

What’s crazy is he’s only 28. 

Tremaine and him were seen riding bikes before the game

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

He will be active rest if way. Key here. 4 career fumbles. Ya you read that right. He has only fumbled 4 times. Plus he has big game experience and is a great receiver and blocker.

 

While I wouldn't be opposed to Fournette being active the rest of the way, he was only active because Ty Johnson was hurt.

 

When Johnson is ready, he'll be active. He's impressed both on Offense and Special Teams. Yes, I know Fournette was returning kicks. But Johnson is a down field gunner and blocker - which is more important.

 

6 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I don't care if Johnson is active.  I would sit Sherfield before Fournette.  

 

Yeah, that's not how it works. You don't sit a WR, which would bring us to 4 total WR's active to activate a 4th RB. 

 

The bottom line is Johnson is active before Fournette and we're not going to have 4 RB's active. 

 

If you wanted to make an argument that Fournette should play instead of Murray, it's something i'd consider. But that's unlikely as he's the best pass blocking RB and is consistently the lead guy pushing Josh into the End Zone.

 

Only way I see Fournette active is if there's an injury to Cook, Murray, or Johnson.

[John from Riverside]

They should be playing which ever player picks up and pass protection between Murray and Lenny

[Billzgobowlin]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

While I wouldn't be opposed to Fournette being active the rest of the way, he was only active because Ty Johnson was hurt.

 

When Johnson is ready, he'll be active. He's impressed both on Offense and Special Teams. Yes, I know Fournette was returning kicks. But Johnson is a down field gunner and blocker - which is more important.

 

 

Yeah, that's not how it works. You don't sit a WR, which would bring us to 4 total WR's active to activate a 4th RB. 

 

The bottom line is Johnson is active before Fournette and we're not going to have 4 RB's active. 

 

If you wanted to make an argument that Fournette should play instead of Murray, it's something i'd consider. But that's unlikely as he's the best pass blocking RB and is consistently the lead guy pushing Josh into the End Zone.

 

Only way I see Fournette active is if there's an injury to Cook, Murray, or Johnson.

Says who?  We don't need any set amount of position.  We have three TEs that can also be receivers.

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Says who?  We don't need any set amount of position.  We have three TEs that can also be receivers.

 

History. 7 years of personnel lineups; a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

 

Under McDermott, we've never had 4 RB's active at one time. We've never carried less than 5 WR's active at one time.

 

And when running 4 WR sets, there would be no one getting a break and no one coming off the bench in case of injury. One WR goes down on the Outside and we'd have to run a slot WR on the Outside.

 

It's common sense. The 3rd RB barely gets any carries as is. So why would we put ourselves in an untenable situation in the event of an injury at WR for a 4th?

Edited December 25, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Billzgobowlin]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

History. 7 years of personnel lineups; a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

 

Under McDermott, we've never had 4 RB's active at one time. We've never carried less than 5 WR's active at one time.

 

And when running 4 WR sets, there would be no one getting a break and no one coming off the bench in case of injury. One WR goes down on the Outside and we'd have to run a slot WR on the Outside.

 

It's common sense. The 3rd RB barely gets any carries as is. So why would we put ourselves in an untenable situation in the event of an injury at WR for a 4th?

We don't use the 5th receiver other than special teams.  Your statement of we never do it is a weak conversation.  McDermott has never fired a Coordinator mid season.  Brady also was never the coordinator before the past few games.  I say best people are made active.  Also with 3 TEs, Cook lining out side some at times all we really need is 3 wrs.  Also before McDermott you would have said we couldn't run a defense with just 2 LBs but here we are.  The scheme will be adjusted to the best personnel

Edited December 25, 2023 by Billzgobowlin

[BillsFanForever19]

14 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

We don't use the 5th receiver other than special teams.  Your statement of we never do it is a weak conversation.  McDermott has never fired a Coordinator mid season.  Brady also was never the coordinator before the past few games.  I say best people are made active.  Also with 3 TEs, Cook lining out side some at times all we really need is 3 wrs.  Also before McDermott you would have said we couldn't run a defense with just 2 LBs but here we are.  The scheme will be adjusted to the best personnel

 

As it stands, the 3rd most used RB on a given week is given extremely low snap counts. vs. The Chargers - James Cook had 41 snaps, Leonard Fournette had 10 snaps, and Latavius Murray had 7 snaps. A 4th RB? Maybe a couple snaps? Meanwhile, Trent Sherfield was used (albeit primarily as a blocker) in formations at WR in 33 snaps. Double the amount of snaps RB's 2 and 3 combined got.

 

There is ZERO chance they'd utilize a 4th RB and short themselves to 4 WR's. 

Edited December 26, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Big Blitz]

I’m just glad we have him.  
 

If things ain’t going right with Cook you can just mix it up with Lenny.  He can give us some juice.  Haven’t seen much out of Murray in weeks.  

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

I’m just glad we have him.  
 

If things ain’t going right with Cook you can just mix it up with Lenny.  He can give us some juice.  Haven’t seen much out of Murray in weeks.  

 

 

He doesn't bring any Juice.  

 

If you need 4 yards he can get you 4........if you need 5......he can get you 4.  

 

That's who he is......whether it's in the regular season or the playoffs..........4 yards per carry career........which is below league average per carry fwiw.  

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by BADOLBILZ