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I already liked this guy way more than Dorsey.  Now I love this guy way more than Dorsey.  He actually tries to fix the problems instead of just status quo hoping people stop making mistakes.

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I like Brady but this quote doesn't show me anything.  What's he doing having Davis in a key spot?  Those plays at this point should be Diggs, Kincaid, Josh run, or maybe Shakir/Cook.   That's plenty

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A coach taking ownership.    Not used to hearing that from our head coach    I applause Joe Brady for that

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22 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

I already liked this guy way more than Dorsey.  Now I love this guy way more than Dorsey.  He actually tries to fix the problems instead of just status quo hoping people stop making mistakes.

I like Brady but this quote doesn't show me anything.  What's he doing having Davis in a key spot?  Those plays at this point should be Diggs, Kincaid, Josh run, or maybe Shakir/Cook.   That's plenty to choose from - those ridiculous plays with Sherfield and/or Davis were terrible.  Not the time to get cute. 

 

If they anticipated a blitz that ball should have been going to Kincaid.

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36 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I already liked this guy way more than Dorsey.  Now I love this guy way more than Dorsey.  He actually tries to fix the problems instead of just status quo hoping people stop making mistakes.

 

What I took from that is he doesn’t say that “pressure” or challenge. He calls it an opportunity. Love that! 

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11 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I like Brady but this quote doesn't show me anything.  What's he doing having Davis in a key spot?  Those plays at this point should be Diggs, Kincaid, Josh run, or maybe Shakir/Cook.   That's plenty to choose from - those ridiculous plays with Sherfield and/or Davis were terrible.  Not the time to get cute. 

 

If they anticipated a blitz that ball should have been going to Kincaid.

Thank you....at this point I don't want Gabe involved in any deep blitz plays.  This team has more reliable options.  And I don't care how many people step in and take the blame.  I'm convinced in a "blitz 0" you don't have time for routes involving cuts.  It should've been a straight fly and turn around.  And that's what Josh threw.

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7 minutes ago, boyst said:

When Gabe is re-signed people gonna *****, people gonna kill me. Which are they gonna do first?  

 

For me it depends.  If he is resigned cheap and they draft someone high in a WR deep draft then Im ok with that.  If they resign Davis to a big contract and don't draft someone then I think that is a mistake.  I dont think Gabe is as bad as people make him out to be, including myself, but I also think we need to improve there.  Davis drops too many balls for me and I think he and Josh, regardless of whose fault it actually is, is just not on the same page too often.

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30 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The fact that it’s anyone’s fault and not a walk in touchdown shows just where this team is right now. We are WAY beyond the time where these two veteran players are even talking about this. Way past! 

 

Which is why Dorsey needed to go. It is Dorsey's job to get these guys on the same page or run plays that eliminate that.

9 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The ***** part is (I know it’s easy to say from tv) the dude was wide open, just throw it to him. Didn’t even need the option nobody was back there. Just put it on him. I know that’s not the play but sheesh

 

The point at which Josh needed to throw the ball that isn't possible.  Davis was going to run one of two routes. Josh threw that ball before that break happened.  Thats why it went incomplete. I don't know whose fault it is and I don't really care.  The problem needs to be fixed.  They aren't on the same page too often and they need to get on the same page or run different plays to take that out of the equation. That is where Joe B is taking the blame.

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3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Which is why Dorsey needed to go. It is Dorsey's job to get these guys on the same page or run plays that eliminate that.

 

The point at which Josh needed to throw the ball that isn't possible.  Davis was going to run one of two routes. Josh threw that ball before that break happened.  Thats why it went incomplete. I don't know whose fault it is and I don't really care.  The problem needs to be fixed.  They aren't on the same page too often and they need to get on the same page or run different plays to take that out of the equation. That is where Joe B is taking the blame.

I disagree on the Dorsey comment. These guys are supposed be professionals! This is not Pop Warner. Josh and Gabe have been together for YEARS!

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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

I disagree on the Dorsey comment. These guys are supposed be professionals! This is not Pop Warner. Josh and Gabe have been together for YEARS!

 

So I guess we dont need any coaches at all then?  What do you think a coaches job is?  Its more than just calling plays bro.  Maybe you think its just coincidence that the offense has been way better since the firing.  I assure you that Joe B is using the same playbook and we are still running the same plays.  

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I take this as an honest assessment and taking accountability.   Practice that play so that both QB and WR know if DB is taking inside or outside techniques which direction the throw should go.  I will assume that it is done but reinforcing it will help.

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16 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Gabe, Josh, and Brady have all said it’s on them. But I used ranch with my wings, made a Philly with deli meat, and washed it down with a cold Budweiser. So this falls on me. It’s an opportunity to grow and I’m thankful for it. ✌️

Actually no

 

Allen said it was Allen's fault

Brady said it was Brady's fault

 

Davis said it was Allen and Davis's fault

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Here is the PC today that the quote came from.  It was the first question for people who don't want to watch the entire thing

 

 

Also talks about Cook going out after the dropped catch on the first drive.  Said that had nothing to do with why Cook was out.  It was about getting other guys going.

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

The fact that it’s anyone’s fault and not a walk in touchdown shows just where this team is right now. We are WAY beyond the time where these two veteran players are even talking about this. Way past! 

 

I mean Allen and Davis literally scored the go ahead TD mere minutes prior. They can get it done. Not all plays connect. Dems da breaks. 🤷‍♂️

 

I'll go with Brady and chalk it up to coaching. Again.

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1 hour ago, boyst said:

Oh come on. If anyone was gonna get that line it was gonna be you. You know this line...had to have been a coming of age classic for you if my math is right 


1. I have no idea what the reference is. 
 

B.  Did you just call me old, you ***** cow fister??

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35 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

So Cover 1 seems to think it's on Allen...but they also seem to think these are the same play.

 

Perhaps I'm blind but isn't that a safety still in the middle of the field in the second clip?

They are the same play but different coverages. In the 2 examples a S or LB is at or outside the left hash so a throw outside makes sense. Against the Eagles due to blitz the middle was WIDE open. Going outside just makes it a tougher throw for Josh. I get why Josh threw it inside for those 2 reasons. But he pulled the trigger too early imo too. He had a second to wait to see where Gabe was going.

 

in full, I think the route was Gabe’s bad and throwing too early Josh’s.

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1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Look familar?

Exactly...straight go route...no cuts

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

A coach taking ownership. 
 

Not used to hearing that from our head coach 

 

I applause Joe Brady for that

Yup, he's already taking more accountability on one play then McExcuse has in 7 years.

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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Actually no

 

Allen said it was Allen's fault

Brady said it was Brady's fault

 

Davis said it was Allen and Davis's fault

Allen takes blame for everything this offense does wrong. Doesn’t mean he is, he’s just not gonna throw anyone under the bus. That’s the leader he is

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mistakes are always gonna be made, but when you gain an identity for specific kinds of mistakes over a period of time, that is on the coaching. Brady is new, so it's not really on him, but it is his job to clean it up. 

by either teaching them how to do it right, or getting rid of it if they can't figure it out. 

 

there is another angle as well. It was often talked about how much time Peyton Manning spent time with his receivers making sure they knew what they were supposed to do and how to do it. not sure if that was all overblown, or if that was something he went above and beyond with to separate himself from the 3rd, 4th, 5th best qbs in the league, etc. 

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