We sucked. But, why is no one talking about the incompletion into “forward progress, first down?”

[npeartisgod]

Definitely one of the worst vibes at the Ralph. More weird plays than I’ve ever seen in one game. But, how on EARTH, does an incomplete pass get turned into forward progress first down? Anyone?

Edited November 14, 2023 by npeartisgod

[Zag20]

I getyou, it was a fumble maybe

but probably an incompletion. Then, they announce a fourth down and then suddenly they’re lining up for 1st and 10 with no pause or explanation at all. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Zag20

[GrimboG]

I did not get that call at the time and still don't!  

 

Where were they on the field at that point? I can't remember what the 4th down or incompletion game situation would have been 

[DrPJax]

Guy actually made catch. He was touched on replay but his butt was far enough for the first down. The refs made a mistake announcement according to New York/ ref in the booth. 

 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, DrPJax said:

Guy actually made catch. He was touched on replay but his butt was far enough for the first down. The refs made a mistake announcement according to New York/ ref in the booth. 

 

Yes, this was explained for anyone watching the game on TV and listening to audio.

 

The game was, for the most part, terribly officiated.  Nothing new there.

 

I liked the "TD" the Bills scored which was then taken away, seeing as the Bronco who "Fumbled" was down by contact about as much as you can be "down" and for several seconds before the ball came out.  I still can't believe someone called that a TD.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

It was a catch. It was not a fumble as his butt was on the ground.  And where he caught the ball was forward progress for the first down. 

The only mistake was they announced 4th down. But it was correct call and correct spot of the ball. 

[Matt_In_NH]

They got the call right on the field.  But the refs announcing the call was all messed up

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

It was a catch. It was not a fumble as his butt was on the ground.  And where he caught the ball was forward progress for the first down. 

The only mistake was they announced 4th down. But it was correct call and correct spot of the ball. 

How many times does a Bills play grab that ball and it's not a catch?

[BobbyC81]

45 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Yes, this was explained for anyone watching the game on TV and listening to audio.

 

The game was, for the most part, terribly officiated.  Nothing new there.

 

I liked the "TD" the Bills scored which was then taken away, seeing as the Bronco who "Fumbled" was down by contact about as much as you can be "down" and for several seconds before the ball came out.  I still can't believe someone called that a TD.

 

 

I give credit to the ref who called it a touchdown.  Many times there’s a questionable play, the refs look at each other and nobody makes a call.  Or one of them blows their whistle when they shouldn’t have.   They allowed the play to finish to completion.  If it was later ruled a fumble, the Bills would’ve had the TD.  If it wasn’t called a TD, but ruled a fumble and they gave the Bills possession, they would mark it at th3 point of the fumble.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

that and the PI on Taron.  Refs gave the game away.

[billyudi]

I’d have to see it again, I never thought it was a fumble but an incompletion. It seemed like they used forward progress as the reason why he didn’t have to maintain possession when he hit the ground? Seems iffy. Denver thought so too and rushed to get a play in and ended up with a false start.

[MPT]

That, and the penalty on Taron that just changed the outcome of the game.

 

Why bother with 3 hours of playing football if the refs are just going to decide the game anyway?

[Billzgobowlin]

31 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that and the PI on Taron.  Refs gave the game away.

That was a PI.  If Taron was a split second later or played off at the end it would not have been called.

[cle23]

32 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that and the PI on Taron.  Refs gave the game away.

 

But it's not "giving the game away" if it's the correct call. Both are the correct calls. Taron never saw the ball,  and ran the WR off the spot. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

[Niagara Dude]

1 hour ago, MPT said:

That, and the penalty on Taron that just changed the outcome of the game.

 

Why bother with 3 hours of playing football if the refs are just going to decide the game anyway?

The Taron call was iffy and you play on in that situation,  first off Wilson just threw it up and Taron did turn around but receiver went into him.  Either way McDermott should have never called an all out blitz.

[CountDorkula]

Are we seriously blaming this game on the refs when the Broncos had 11 penalties in the bills had like four. 
 

Get your heads out of your asses and stop blaming the officials and start blaming the coaching staff and the personnel. This entire team needs a Gutting and rebuild. 

[Aimee75]

5 hours ago, npeartisgod said:

Definitely one of the worst vibes at the Ralph. More weird plays than I’ve ever seen in one game. But, how on EARTH, does an incomplete pass get turned into forward progress first down? Anyone?

I hate saying stuff like this, but I am getting a weird feeling/vibe from the refs and NFL this year. It has been shady for us. Some of the calls and non calls are mind boggling. Makes me feel like they are tired of The Bills and want to ensure "new blood" is in the playoff picture this year. Obviously we are in such a hole now that they will surely get what they want.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

The Taron call was iffy and you play on in that situation,  first off Wilson just threw it up and Taron did turn around but receiver went into him.  Either way McDermott should have never called an all out blitz.

I’m trying not be a homer but I agree. That was a pretty weak PI call. While it certainly looked like he was going to interfere with him, when you see the replay he did about as little as you can do on an underthrown jump ball. The NFL should really clean that up. The offense shouldn’t be rewarded for tossing up what is really just a prayer. 

[davefan66]

4 hours ago, DrPJax said:

Guy actually made catch. He was touched on replay but his butt was far enough for the first down. The refs made a mistake announcement according to New York/ ref in the booth. 

 

That one and the toe tap TD proves this is a game of inches.

[BillsFanNC]

If the Bills are ever going to get the elusive Super Bowl then we need a team that makes bad officiating irrelevant. 

 

Bad officiating is a constant that will never change.

 

When you play poorly, a variable completely under your control, you make bad officiating more of a factor.

 

Of course there's always the chance that egregiously poor officiating can sink a team running on all cylinders, but that's a risk we all take investing in a sport that has become increasingly like pro wrestling with each passing year.

[May Day 10]

Miami beat that team by 50.  If we are complaining that the Bills lost because the way someone's butt landed, then maybe the Bills failed.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Not seeing how it wasn’t either incomplete or a fumble.

 

Would have been nice to see a challenge flag thrown there.

[JerseyBills]

And the Sutton td. It's always these circus plays against us. Always. 

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, npeartisgod said:

Definitely one of the worst vibes at the Ralph. More weird plays than I’ve ever seen in one game. But, how on EARTH, does an incomplete pass get turned into forward progress first down? Anyone?

 

 

Probably been answered by now, but basically ...

 

The ref screwed up his announcement. But the way it was called was correct, though the Broncos had a gripe for not knowing till a bit of time had passed that it was considered a first down.

 

It was not incomplete. Reviews backed it up. He caught it, held it for several steps, was tackled, and after his arm hit the ground ending the play, he fumbled it. And he caught the pass beyond the first down marker, moving backwards, so it was correctly a forward progress first down. 

[VADC Bills]

1 hour ago, cle23 said:

 

But it's not "giving the game away" if it's the correct call. Both are the correct calls. Taron never saw the ball,  and ran the WR off the spot. 

If the coaching had called the proper defense instead of an all out blitz it would have been more of a jump ball. Everyone knew what was coming except our coaches.

Edited November 14, 2023 by VADC Bills

[DapperCam]

Best case scenario would have been incomplete pass. Shouldn’t have been a fumble because his butt hit.

[MarkyMannn]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that and the PI on Taron.  Refs gave the game away.

You got to make a play on the ball. Not run the wr over. PI all day. You can seriously be blaming this loss on the refs

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

That was a PI.  If Taron was a split second later or played off at the end it would not have been called.

 

 

Yeah, it was PI. 

 

A much much closer play than it seemed at first look. When it happened it looked wildly obvious. In slo-mo, Taron barely hit him before twisting his head around to pretend to look backwards for the ball. They couldn't have made a no call on it. Taron did prevent him from catching the ball and he did hit him while still looking at him while the ball was still in the air.

 

I thought that was the game until the Football Gods leaned down, and said, "Just 'cause we like you, here's the win, Bills," and the Bills said, "Hey, thanks, but no thanks." God what a horrible horrible ending.

 

10 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Miami beat that team by 50.  If we are complaining that the Bills lost because the way someone's butt landed, then maybe the Bills failed.

 

 

I hear you, but realistically that was not the same Bronco team they were when they played Miami.

 

But you're right, the Bills just didn't play well enough despite chance after chance after chance to win.

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Thurman#1

[RiotAct]

8 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

And the Sutton td. It's always these circus plays against us. Always. 

for a few seasons there, WE were making those plays, too

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Nobody knows what a catch is anymore.  I thought if you were going to the ground on the catch you had to maintain control once you hit the ground.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

that and the PI on Taron.  Refs gave the game away.

That was 100% PI. It was close to a great play but it was PI.

 

Lay the blame where it belongs. Allen and McDermott.

 

Allen has now lost two games nearly himself - Jets and Broncos. 

 

Hard to assign all the blame on McD and the defense for this game as they kept them in it until the end. But again just like Pats game(and countless others), the D choked. 

[May Day 10]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

I hear you, but realistically that was not the same Bronco team they were when they played Miami.

 

But you're right, the Bills just didn't play well enough despite chance after chance after chance to win.

 

 

Yeah, I get that.  The Broncos are much better and '70 points!' is purposely misleading.

 

But the Bills get a Broncos team at home on primetime... and look like.... that.  4 turnovers.  They deserved to lose the game.  It would have been a 'stolen win', same as against the Giants.  

 

This team is what they appear to be.  It isnt very good and probably slots in in the 3rd quartile of the league.

[JerseyBills]

4 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

for a few seasons there, WE were making those plays, too

 

Good point.  miss that Josh Allen running around 

[Thurman#1]

Just now, May Day 10 said:

 

Yeah, I get that.  The Broncos are much better and '70 points!' is purposely misleading.

 

But the Bills get a Broncos team at home on primetime... and look like.... that.  4 turnovers.  They deserved to lose the game.  It would have been a 'stolen win', same as against the Giants.  

 

This team is what they appear to be.  It isnt very good and probably slots in in the 3rd quartile of the league.

 

 

That's how they're playing now. Hard to argue. 

 

Stolen wins are all right with me. The Chiefs have a couple. Losses are a ton worse than stolen wins. 

 

They might play better. But they've played pretty poorly for a while now. I'm a lot less hopeful than I was before this game.

[Big Turk]

5 hours ago, npeartisgod said:

Definitely one of the worst vibes at the Ralph. More weird plays than I’ve ever seen in one game. But, how on EARTH, does an incomplete pass get turned into forward progress first down? Anyone?

 

Because he caught the ball and his knee was already down making it a dead ball.  He doesn't need to "survive the ground"  because he isn't going to the ground and had already caught the ball. Once his knee is down the play is over.  It was the right call.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Big Turk

[LabattBlue]

Knew at least one person would be bitching about the officiating this morning.  Awesome…hope you are enjoying the view with your head buried under two feet of sand. 
 

😂😂😂

[Nuncha]

It was a catch, but was it a first down?  It was really close.

[BuffaloRebound]

14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Because he caught the ball and his knee was already down making it a dead ball.  He doesn't need to "survive the ground"  because he isn't going to the ground and had already caught the ball. Once his knee is down the play is over.  It was the right call.

Agree with everything except the part that he isn’t going to the ground.  Looked to me like he was, but probably some forward progress NFL rule mumbo jumbo that cancels it out.  

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Agree with everything except the part that he isn’t going to the ground.  Looked to me like he was, but probably some forward progress NFL rule mumbo jumbo that cancels it out.  

 

Once they called forward progress was stopped the rest of it was moot because it becomes not reviewable.