Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen has been fined $10,927 for taunting during his team’s loss to the Cincinnati Bengals last Sunday, via Michael David Smith of Pro Football Talk. Allen pointed at a Bengals player as he was punching in a rushing touchdown to tie the score in the first quarter. He was hit with a 15-yard penalty for the incident. The signal-caller went 26-for-38 with 258 yards, a touchdown and an interception through the air while carrying the ball eight times for 44 yards. Cincinnati ultimately won the game by a score of 24-18. Allen’s fine is peculiar, considering other players received lesser penalties for unnecessary roughness fouls. The fact that he was fined more for pointing at someone than other players were for plays that could have caused injury is certainly strange, to say the least. Then again, the NFL has been widely criticized for quite some time now for the way it hands out penalties and fines, so the weird variance shouldn’t come as much of a surprise. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bills-josh-allen-fined-for-taunting-during-bengals-loss/ar-AA1jMnwe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=72356b63b82c4d3a8525dd5d101d9ca6&ei=47 Such a joke 1 1 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) Did there happen to be a fine for any baseball style slides into player's legs last week? Edited November 12, 2023 by Warcodered 5 1 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Re the taunting by JA: Just another example of a poorly coached team. 1 6 3 3 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Did there happen to be a fine for any baseball style slides into player's legs last week? Only Bengals fine I seen in the list was this one: Bengals, Cordell Volson, unnecessary roughness, $5,746. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I mean that makes sense. Double what the cheap shot was that caused Hyde to be out this week. ***** this league 6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Did there happen to be a fine for any baseball style slides into player's legs last week? None....tyreeks little peace sign...none....the NFL is a cartoon league. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: Re the taunting by JA: Just another example of a poorly coached team. How do you attribute Josh’s behavior to the coaches versus his own instincts and actions on the play? If your kid does something to get in trouble, is it automatically the parents’ fault? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 He should do this every running TD 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I hope he does it again to the bengals in the playoffs (if we make it) 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 12, 2023 Author Share Posted November 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: He should do this every running TD He can't because in NFL wisdom, two taunting penalties or a taunting penalty and another personal foul is a game ejection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I'm donating 17 cents to his charity to stick it to Roger Goodell 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 If Goodell is in attendance and Josh points at him during a TD run, is that allowed? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 This league is becoming more effeminate by the day 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: How do you attribute Josh’s behavior to the coaches versus his own instincts and actions on the play? If your kid does something to get in trouble, is it automatically the parents’ fault? He’s a troll only pops out weeks when the bills lose a game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 To be fair Nick Scott went on IR for hurt feelings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I mean that makes sense. Double what the cheap shot was that caused Hyde to be out this week. ***** this league I understand many are upset about it. My guess similar to the NHL they have a limit on how much a player can be fined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Getting fined for taunting in a game where you ultimately got beat down is amusing and probably indicative of the actual problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 A lot of people seem to think the NFL just dishes out fines without them making sense. And it does appear that way. But there's a schedule they follow that's all agreed to in the CBA. And that's why sometimes some fines which seem for worse offenses are for less money. The agreed to amount for the first offense for taunting is $10,000. Then all fines are increased by a certain percentage each year of the CBA. So this year the first offense taunting fine is $10,927. That's where Josh's fine amount comes from. So okay, we look at that and say, hey last week Adam Gotsis from Jacksonville was only fined $7,167 for roughing the passer. That just seems stupid. The NFL is whack we say. Well, there's a reason for it. The first offense fine for roughing the passer is $15,000. That's $5,000 more than the taunting penalty - and most would agree rightly so. So how come Gotsis was only fined $7,167? Well, the CBA also has other stipulations that recognize the fact that some players make a lot more money than others. So they have a caveat at the bottom of the schedule for fines that says, "No first offense may result in the imposition of a baseline fine in excess of 10% of a player’s Salary Cap Count for the game." So there you have it. Gotsis's more egregious foul is reduced to less of a fine than Josh's because Gotsis's salary cap for the season is $1,315,000. Divided by 18 weeks that makes his salary cap figure for the game $73,055. This is using Spotrac, so it's likely not exact. But you get the idea. Using the parameters agreed to by the NFL and the NFLPA, Gotsis's fine is only$7,167 - the maximum 10% of his weekly salary cap figure. Is this how it should be? Debatable I suppose. Is it fair? Again, debatable. But it is the way it's supposed to be according to the agreed upon rules. The point being, the league doesn't just pull numbers out of its hat willy nilly when imposing fines - regardless of what many people (including the original article author from NFL Analysis Network) seem to think. 5 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: Getting fined for taunting in a game where you ultimately got beat down is amusing and probably indicative of the actual problem. Yes, a six point “beat down.” Where numerous missed or bogus calls could have affected the outcome. But hey, they got the taunting call… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Josh should try a "double point" this week, and see if they fine him $22,000. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: He should do this every running TD I would, even imitate writing a check afterwards in the end zone. 🤷 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 No Fun League 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 8 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: How do you attribute Josh’s behavior to the coaches versus his own instincts and actions on the play? If your kid does something to get in trouble, is it automatically the parents’ fault? Yes, it has been generally acknowledged FOREVER that when players do unnecessary, “dumb” fouls, it is a reflection of bad coaching….often referred to as a “poorly disciplined” team. If you’ve been a fan of pro sports for any length of time, I’m certain that you’ve heard the latter phrases articulated by pundits and observers (in all sports, not just football). The parent/child example you cite actually supports my view, as it has been shown time and again, in many studies & surveys, that children who are brought up with little or no discipline imposed upon them by their parents (or their single parent) are more likely to end up in trouble/jail vs kids that had two parents who did impose rules AND enforce them. Finally, being accused of being a troll just because I have an unpopular opinion is just laughable and nonsensical. I would agree that I’m not a prolific poster like many in here are, but I don’t “only pop up after a Bills’ loss.” However, there are MANY real trolls in here who display the LAMP technique often. You see the latter folks front & center after a Bills’ game, when they feel compelled to start their own post game thread, even though there is an established post game thread for everyone’s use. But their LAMP need is too strong, I guess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 This season 17s total $$$ is around 18.6 mil. Conservatively let’s say he sees half of that (9 mil). An 11k fine would then roughly impact his finances similar to how a $60 ticket would effect someone who takes home 50k. Regardless of how you feel about the call, I always find it bizarre how offended some people get that the millionaires must pay pocket change for on field incidents (one that he was completely in control of). Im sure Allen cares less about the fine than many fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: This season 17s total $$$ is around 18.6 mil. Conservatively let’s say he sees half of that (9 mil). An 11k fine would then roughly impact his finances similar to how a $60 ticket would effect someone who takes home 50k. Regardless of how you feel about the call, I always find it bizarre how offended some people get that the millionaires must pay pocket change for on field incidents (one that he was completely in control of). Im sure Allen cares less about the fine than many fans Actually, no. A person making 50k a year needs that 60 dollars a hell of a lot more than the guy making 9 million a year needs that 11k because I guarantee you the man making 50k a year is spending up to what he makes to make ends meet where the guy making 9 million isn’t. Edited November 12, 2023 by Beast 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: If Goodell is in attendance and Josh points at him during a TD run, is that allowed? Depends on which finger he uses to point at him. He doesn’t seem to like the one in the middle much.. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Not one of Josh's better decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 7 hours ago, Special K said: Josh should try a "double point" this week, and see if they fine him $22,000. You guys are getting me to a point to start watching the Office. I’m probably the last guy on the planet to see it. My eldest son has it as his favorite show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob Jones said: Yes, it has been generally acknowledged FOREVER that when players do unnecessary, “dumb” fouls, it is a reflection of bad coaching….often referred to as a “poorly disciplined” team. If you’ve been a fan of pro sports for any length of time, I’m certain that you’ve heard the latter phrases articulated by pundits and observers (in all sports, not just football). The parent/child example you cite actually supports my view, as it has been shown time and again, in many studies & surveys, that children who are brought up with little or no discipline imposed upon them by their parents (or their single parent) are more likely to end up in trouble/jail vs kids that had two parents who did impose rules AND enforce them. Finally, being accused of being a troll just because I have an unpopular opinion is just laughable and nonsensical. I would agree that I’m not a prolific poster like many in here are, but I don’t “only pop up after a Bills’ loss.” However, there are MANY real trolls in here who display the LAMP technique often. You see the latter folks front & center after a Bills’ game, when they feel compelled to start their own post game thread, even though there is an established post game thread for everyone’s use. But their LAMP need is too strong, I guess. First, it wasn’t me that accused you of being a troll. I appreciate that you’ve defended your position, some of the trolls don’t even offer that much. With regards to team discipline or parenting, I agree that a result of a poorly coached team can be consistent, dumb penalties. But, even when a coach or parent has done a great job trying to instill discipline, the players and kids can still do things they shouldn’t. As someone who has played and watched sports FOREVER, there are a lot of factors that go into all of this and Josh pointing at another defender is just one incident. If the player were some borderline starter, maybe McD can discipline that player by putting them on the bench next series. A lot harder to do that with their star QB though, so maybe there’s other ways McD needs to handle that. At least in this case, Josh didn’t do it again the rest of the game, so as to not get kicked out. I’ll be surprised if he does it again this season. If he does, do you think it will be because the coaches haven’t told him not to, or because he’s Josh and either deciding to do his own thing or his instincts take over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Did Allen actually acknowledge that what we did was taunting? My first thought when I watched that play was that Allen was pointing at the defender to confuse him for a split second in order to make it to the endzone untouched. What would he have been fined if he gave him a middle finger? or open palmed him ? waved bye bye? This league and its officiating arent just incompetent, they are really, really dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: I understand many are upset about it. My guess similar to the NHL they have a limit on how much a player can be fined its generally an nflpa negotiated schedule for most basic fines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 As someone pointed out above, it's an automatic fine for a taunting penalty. The league didn't fine him, the refs did when they made that call. For anyone who says that "they always make that call," there was no taunting call on this play (Tyreek Hill TD in the 13-second game). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 11 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Allen pointed at a Bengals player as he was punching in a rushing touchdown to tie the score in the first quarter. He was hit with a 15-yard penalty for the incident. The signal-caller went 26-for-38 with 258 yards, a touchdown and an interception through the air while carrying the ball eight times for 44 yards. Cincinnati ultimately won the game by a score of 24-18. I wonder how much he would have been fined giving experimental New York Salute to Roger Goodell in owner's box? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 10 hours ago, stuvian said: This league is becoming more effeminate by the day 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said: You guys are getting me to a point to start watching the Office. I’m probably the last guy on the planet to see it. My eldest son has it as his favorite show. Only part of The Office are snips automatically played on sites which you have no control over. Some sites I use a browser with video disables since some of the automatic videos (snips and ads) become so annoying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: This season 17s total $$$ is around 18.6 mil. Conservatively let’s say he sees half of that (9 mil). An 11k fine would then roughly impact his finances similar to how a $60 ticket would effect someone who takes home 50k. Regardless of how you feel about the call, I always find it bizarre how offended some people get that the millionaires must pay pocket change for on field incidents (one that he was completely in control of). Im sure Allen cares less about the fine than many fans Totally agree with what you're saying, but the fact that Taylor-Britt didn't get fined for his outrageously dangerous slide tackle exemplifies either a broken system or extreme bias in the execution of the system. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 The refs are the ones that need to be fined for making such a BS call in the first place i think that was the first time in NFL history that that particularly ignorant decision on a call was made in a actual game ... And the NFL hasn't made a reply on just how stupid it was as to not draw more attention to it !! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Josh should be like, "You want it? Go fetch, Roger." 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, MPT said: Totally agree with what you're saying, but the fact that Taylor-Britt didn't get fined for his outrageously dangerous slide tackle exemplifies either a broken system or extreme bias in the execution of the system. That slide tackle probably gets a straight red card in a footy match. All Kincaid needed to do was flop to the ground and roll around like he was shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 I mean the NFL is run by jackwagons and this fine means nothing to JA17- it's essentially less than a parking ticket to him - I would say why don't we start winning and executing an actual NFL offense with success again before talking ***** though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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