Brian Higgins hair Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 is it me? The days of Josh, with that burning competitive fire in his eyes…going up and down the bench supporting the D, talking to the O line and talking to receivers seem to be gone. After a 4th down, he goes back to the bench, looks at the IPad, and then just sits and watches the Jumbotron quietly. Meanwhile, Diggs is doing what Stef does, fire burning and supporting others. There is something that’s changed in him. 6 3 2 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Brian Higgins hair said: is it me? The days of Josh, with that burning competitive fire in his eyes…going up and down the bench supporting the D, talking to the O line and talking to receivers seem to be gone. After a 4th down, he goes back to the bench, looks at the IPad, and then just sits and watches the Jumbotron quietly. Meanwhile, Diggs is doing what Stef does, fire burning and supporting others. There is something that’s changed in him. In prior seasons fans were demanding we take the "sugar rush" out of Josh. Given the coaches offseason comments criticizing Allen for running, the new game plan strategy that has neutered Allen's game, it seems likely the "calm" Allen demeanor is a request from the coaches to keep level the whole game. The next step in improving Allen will be to have him nervously clap after crappy Bills plays. That way we will know he has the proper emotionally state for peak performance. 2 1 12 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I said to my wife he looked disinterested until the fourth quarter. Detached might be a better descriptor. Something is going on with him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I said to my wife he looked disinterested until the fourth quarter. Detached might be a better descriptor. Something is going on with him. Thinking of the one that got away. We need to get josh back with his ex 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Nothing is wrong with him. I just don’t think he can believe he plays with the crap he does . Gabe Davis 1 catch 6 yards 🙄 Edited October 23, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat 1 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazman11 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 You all need to stop with this stupid take in this thread and the other one about Josh. To somehow make up your mind that Josh no longer cares about football after watching a combined 5 seconds of sideline shots during a 3 hour game is complete insanity. Nobody wants a leader ranting and raving whenever there is a problem. That stuff gets old real quick. 4 1 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The Buffalo culture of weird stuff happening to their sports teams and never winning it all, is getting to him. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) He did get his balls cut off by the ***** coaching staff. What do you expect? Edited October 23, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg 1 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Blazman11 said: You all need to stop with this stupid take in this thread and the other one about Josh. To somehow make up your mind that Josh no longer cares about football after watching a combined 5 seconds of sideline shots during a 3 hour game is complete insanity. Nobody wants a leader ranting and raving whenever there is a problem. That stuff gets old real quick. Really? Do you see the consistency of the fiery Josh from 2020/21 ? I still see it in Mahomes and others….. Do you see anything of old Josh where you didn’t have to look at a clip because he was EVERYWHERE on the sideline? Undeniably, The dude has something happening between the ears that is different than before, and it’s translated to his game. Whatever it is, it is real. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I know I’m becoming that… quickly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Something COULD be going on with him, but let’s not forget he led the team to two TDs in the last 7 minutes of the game, to get us the lead. It’s not like he was in some mesmerized trance the whole game. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Nothing is wrong with him. I just don’t think he can believe he plays with the crap he does . Gabe Davis 1 catch 6 yards 🙄 Davis was open in the end zone and the ball sailed 6' over his head 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Something COULD be going on with him, but let’s not forget he led the team to two TDs in the last 7 minutes of the game, to get us the lead. It’s not like he was in some mesmerized trance the whole game. He’s been in a trance since 2022. Cincinnati ring a bell? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Brian Higgins hair said: He’s been in a trance since 2022. Cincinnati ring a bell? Lol - You must have a slept through a few other games earlier this season when Josh was being touted as favorite for league MVP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, MarkyMannn said: Davis was open in the end zone and the ball sailed 6' over his head That explain why he had 1 catch when the other guy was double teamed the entire game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The pressure could get to anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Its being coached out of him. That's the issue. 13 minutes ago, Brian Higgins hair said: He’s been in a trance since 2022. Cincinnati ring a bell? Green Bay game. Keep going back to it but after he got his bell rung he hasn't been the same. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 He does seem to be staring off into space a lot during games while on the bench. It could be absolutely nothing, it could be something, and it could just be that the camera is only showing those moments. BUT...if we are just going off of what is shown on the TV, he does seem a little spaced out on the bench like he's just some guy waiting for the bus to arrive. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: That explain why he had 1 catch when the other guy was double teamed the entire game? I'm pointing out that one play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsflyer12 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I think he generally looks like a guy who would 100% rather be on a golf course anywhere else in the world. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Chaos said: In prior seasons fans were demanding we take the "sugar rush" out of Josh. Given the coaches offseason comments criticizing Allen for running, the new game plan strategy that has neutered Allen's game, it seems likely the "calm" Allen demeanor is a request from the coaches to keep level the whole game. The next step in improving Allen will be to have him nervously clap after crappy Bills plays. That way we will know he has the proper emotionally state for peak performance. This x1000 hes had his fire coached out of him. No doubt the coaching has ingrained it into his head that the fiery Josh is a bad Josh. So he thinks he’s doing the right thing by being a ball-less version of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 yeah it's obviously a combination of coaching and whatever is wrong in JA's head. i said last year that I thought there was a cancer in the locker room, and nothing that has happened has changed my mind on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I personally believe he’s WAY less interested in playing football right now than in any point in his young life. Too much other stuff going on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I personally believe he’s WAY less interested in playing football right now than in any point in his young life. Too much other stuff going on. As much as I don't want to believe this, I'm starting to think there might be some truth to it. That's what the rumors about the rift with Diggs were about* and as much as I want to dismiss it, it makes you wonder. *Note for those who aren't aware: Over the Summer there was a poster who said he knows one of Diggs cousins or something like that and said there was a rift between Allen where they weren't speaking to each other and Diggs was frustrated because Allen doesn't put the work in over the offseason and his focus seems elsewhere. This guy posted all of this stuff before the big blow out in the media after Diggs didn't practice Day 1 of Mini Camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said: As much as I don't want to believe this, I'm starting to think there might be some truth to it. That's what the rumors about the rift with Diggs were about* and as much as I want to dismiss it, it makes you wonder. *Note for those who aren't aware: Over the Summer there was a poster who said he knows one of Diggs cousins or something like that and said there was a rift between Allen where they weren't speaking to each other and Diggs was frustrated because Allen doesn't put the work in over the offseason and his focus seems elsewhere. This guy posted all of this stuff before the big blow out in the media after Diggs didn't practice Day 1 of Mini Camp. It doesn’t make him a bad person. But it clearly appears to be the case. The signs are everywhere. Way too much instability and distractions in his life. I’m guessing you’d be in the same spot if it was you….I know I was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Obviously he is not having fun like he used to for whatever reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 He has nothing to be happy about. He has inept supporting staff and mid level coaching. He is constantly behind the 8 ball and feeling the pressure. Nothing and i mean NOTHING is easy for this new-look McDHole offense. What is the kid going to be smiling about? I wish Josh did to McD what McD did to him in that first game. Josh should have ran up to him on the sideline banging on his head screaming "BE SMART" as mcdholes defense gave a 35 yard screen on the first play of the final drive. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I’ve posted before— I have not seen him run and then jump up laughing, smiling, pointing— after said run. His runs awaken a spirit or adrenaline in him and the entire team. There may be other things but that one is brutally obviously missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 He needs a haircut and either Barkley or Webb sitting with him on the bench. I think he needs someone to talk things through with when things are off. Someone to bounce things off from. The other Allen seems useless. 🫤 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just now, Since1981 said: I’ve posted before— I have not seen him run and then jump up laughing, smiling, pointing— after said run. His runs awaken a spirit or adrenaline in him and the entire team. There may be other things but that one is brutally obviously missing. Yah just another thing mcDHole has taken away from him. Trying to make josh something he is not. Team doesnt score until josh goes no huddle and unleashes the beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Higgins hair said: is it me? The days of Josh, with that burning competitive fire in his eyes…going up and down the bench supporting the D, talking to the O line and talking to receivers seem to be gone. After a 4th down, he goes back to the bench, looks at the IPad, and then just sits and watches the Jumbotron quietly. Meanwhile, Diggs is doing what Stef does, fire burning and supporting others. There is something that’s changed in him. we gotta do all we can to get him and Brittany back together. They break up and everything goes to poop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Defenses are forcing him to play QB, instead of being a playmaker. He’s capable, but refuses to do it consistently. Add in the fact our coaches have drilled into him not to run, to the extent that he won’t even do it on broken plays. He seems to be playing a position now that he doesn’t have any passion for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Higgins hair said: is it me? The days of Josh, with that burning competitive fire in his eyes…going up and down the bench supporting the D, talking to the O line and talking to receivers seem to be gone. After a 4th down, he goes back to the bench, looks at the IPad, and then just sits and watches the Jumbotron quietly. Meanwhile, Diggs is doing what Stef does, fire burning and supporting others. There is something that’s changed in him. Lol. Another “I’ve had 8 beers and I’m an athlete psychiatrist now” thread. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Defenses are forcing him to play QB, instead of being a playmaker. He’s capable, but refuses to do it consistently. Add in the fact our coaches have drilled into him not to run, to the extent that he won’t even do it on broken plays. He seems to be playing a position now that he doesn’t have any passion for. Its our coaches who are forcing Josh to play that way. Not the opposing coaches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Brian Higgins hair said: is it me? The days of Josh, with that burning competitive fire in his eyes…going up and down the bench supporting the D, talking to the O line and talking to receivers seem to be gone. After a 4th down, he goes back to the bench, looks at the IPad, and then just sits and watches the Jumbotron quietly. Meanwhile, Diggs is doing what Stef does, fire burning and supporting others. There is something that’s changed in him. He knows he can't win with these coaches and knows they've taken away what he does best, that'll put out anyone's fire 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) Mental health issues are nothing to scoff at. If he is having issues he needs to seek professional help. He has stated how he dislikes scrutiny into his personal life and who he dates. And with all the product endorsements he is sooo viisible. And when he has a bad game it just magnifies the pressure. Edited October 23, 2023 by muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlbills13 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The coaching staff is trying to protect him. They'd rather he be a good to very good nfl quarterback for 15 years instead of an elite NFL quarterback for 10 years. With the injuries to the defense and the lack of a good #2 receiver, they need to let Josh carry this team. Josh being "very good" won't result in anything this season. Josh being "elite" may not result in anything either but at least you have a chance. Let him loose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Dorsey is pure X's and O's Josh is not. Dorsey may be a solid OC for a QB who can dissect a D quicky but Josh is a QB that does best off script. There is a serious disconnect... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Blazman11 said: You all need to stop with this stupid take in this thread and the other one about Josh. To somehow make up your mind that Josh no longer cares about football after watching a combined 5 seconds of sideline shots during a 3 hour game is complete insanity. Nobody wants a leader ranting and raving whenever there is a problem. That stuff gets old real quick. This is the only correct response to these kinds of posts. It might be true, but nothing you see on tv can prove it one way or the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaos said: In prior seasons fans were demanding we take the "sugar rush" out of Josh. Given the coaches offseason comments criticizing Allen for running, the new game plan strategy that has neutered Allen's game, it seems likely the "calm" Allen demeanor is a request from the coaches to keep level the whole game. The next step in improving Allen will be to have him nervously clap after crappy Bills plays. That way we will know he has the proper emotionally state for peak performance. Allen has been asked for years to stop hurdling players and taking defenders head on. The ask is for him to be smarter. Get down, get out of bounds. Similar to a peak Russ or current Mahomes. If anything Josh doesn’t have a good feel for that part of his game. It is like he only knows how to truck a LB or make an errant throw with nothing but green grass in front of him. Kurt Warner was flamed for years for doing Allen film reviews that was basically “just because he can, doesn’t mean he should” when it came to his decision making. He was right. Sometimes Allen isn’t a great decision maker. Edit: He just had 7 runs for 2. Something yards per carry. He’s not running the ball well either. Edited October 23, 2023 by Mango 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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