Hunter Renfrow

[aristocrat]

We need something in the slot but that would require no more 12 personnel. Dorsey needs to adjust this offense. Renfrow had a couple nice years and one monster year it’s wild his drop off. 

[HappyDays]

He is apparently actively seeking a trade. I imagine it would be cheap, although there are several other 

WR options I would be more interested in.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I just have no interest in trying to recreate Cole Beasley constantly. 

[CNYfan]

I would like to see Isabella get a shot.  He seems to have more spark than Harty

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I'm puzzled by the decline of Hunter Renfrow. He played great in the slot with Carr, but he seems to have been phased out of the offense this year.

 

He's only 28, but he has a $13 Million cap hit this season, making a trade to any team difficult. 

[mannc]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:42 AM, Virgil said:

I don't think our personnel is the problem.  Sherfield was good on the Dolphins.  Harty gets open.  Davis (matter of opinion on here).  Dorsey doesn't know how to call plays for anyone besides Diggs.  

 

Unless we are playing the Dolphins, which Josh just owns, changing anything besides Dorsey isn't going to matter

Yep, personnel isn’t the problem.  It’s just a bad scheme.

[streetkings01]

Another player for us to underutilize 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

He is apparently actively seeking a trade. I imagine it would be cheap, although there are several other 

WR options I would be more interested in.

Honestly… Renfrow for Davis, straight. Up. 

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I'm puzzled by the decline of Hunter Renfrow. He played great in the slot with Carr, but he seems to have been phased out of the offense this year.

 

He's only 28, but he has a $13 Million cap hit this season, making a trade to any team difficult. 

He only costs 6 if traded.

[newcam2012]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:56 AM, FireChans said:

Sherfield is not good. Has never been good. Are you his agent?

He's a good blocker.

[HappyDays]

25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I just have no interest in trying to recreate Cole Beasley constantly. 

 

But our offense was at its best when we had Beasley in his prime and could stay in 11 personnel constantly. Right now we're trying to use 3 players for that one role and it's making our offense a lot less smooth than it should be. Too many substitutions, too much having to adjust play calling to match the personnel on the field. Diggs/Davis/Renfrow/Kincaid/Cook or Murray is a solid group for 11 personnel that you could keep on the field for an entire drive if you wanted to. Allen has always been better when our offense is up tempo. We just don't have the personnel right now to run that style of offense.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

But our offense was at its best when we had Beasley in his prime and could stay in 11 personnel constantly. Right now we're trying to use 3 players for that one role and it's making our offense a lot less smooth than it should be. Too many substitutions, too much having to adjust play calling to match the personnel on the field. Diggs/Davis/Renfrow/Kincaid/Cook or Murray is a solid group for 11 personnel that you could keep on the field for an entire drive if you wanted to. Allen has always been better when our offense is up tempo. We just don't have the personnel right now to run that style of offense.

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR? 

[thenorthremembers]

Bills dont need another guy to add to the heap of JAGs who they are trying to make a slot wideout.   He's had one good season in five years, and on average isnt as productive as Gabe Davis.   For what you'd be on the hook for over two years, plus the draft pick, you're better off trying to bring in Hopkins or Jeudy.

[FireChans]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR? 

Pickens ain’t available

[SWATeam]

14 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR? 

A souped up Gabe that can’t separate?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, FireChans said:

Pickens ain’t available

Yes thank you for pointing that out. 

 

My point is instead of collecting another over-achieving 5’10” lunch pail scrub, this team needs another high traits boundary WR with some real R1 size and skill. 
 

We’ve plateaued offensively because we added Diggs in 2020 and stopped.

 

Elite TALENT. 

 

I’ve said it on here since Emmanuel Sanders.

 

We can up the tempo, harp on execution, utilize Kincaid, but where is another natural playmaker coming from? 

Great draft up coming for WRs.

 

Gabe Davis has become such a sacred cow at OBD it’s like how did we ever play football without him? 
 

 

 

 

[The Jokeman]

45 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I just have no interest in trying to recreate Cole Beasley constantly. 

Josh needs an outlet that he can trust and that's something Beasley gave him outside of Diggs and to a lesser degree Knox. I'm all for finding another one but not at Renfrow's salary. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

A souped up Gabe that can’t separate?

Well Greg Cosell loved him coming out of the draft, and right away he started to produce.
 

He’s on pace for 1,400+ yards with Kenny Pickett and Johnson injured for much of the year, Freiermuth hurt now, and a mediocre run game. 
 

No interest in signing Gabe Davis to be a long term #2 when you inherit all the negatives with hands and dependence on deep plays. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

My point is instead of collecting another over-achieving 5’10” lunch pail scrub, this team needs another high traits boundary WR with some real R1 size and skill. 

 

I completely agree a superior outside WR, preferably Hopkins, would be the best possible move we could make right now. That doesn't mean we shouldn't look for other ways to improve the offense though.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Josh needs an outlet that he can trust and that's something Beasley gave him outside of Diggs and to a lesser degree Knox. I'm all for finding another one but not at Renfrow's salary. 

Isn’t that what Beane said Dalton Kincaid is for? 
 

Why not just develop the 4.43 WR you drafted last year? 
 

We’ve got 85 slot guys.

 

We are short outside WRs.

 

If it’s just bringing in another dump off option, don’t bother. 
 

Just keep developing Kincaid and Shakir. 
 

Edited October 25, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[iccrewman112]

On 10/16/2023 at 7:39 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I know it’ll be hard to fit him in and we’re moving to 12 personnel but he seems like the perfect fit for what we use to do offensively and he’s available for a late pick.

 

Is Beane missing an opportunity by not trading for Renfrow?

Serious question. how long do you expect it to take to integrate anyone on offense where we see impactful results?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills have been partly prisoners of the moment trying to hold onto 2020, it would be refreshing to see a better idea than Cole Beasley. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR? 

And how do you suppose we acquire George Pickens?

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, iccrewman112 said:

Serious question. how long do you expect it to take to integrate anyone on offense where we see impactful results?

I think the results would be disappointing.

Hines had 11 touches on offense in 9 games. 

 

Harty is catching less than 2 passes per game.

 

Sherfied has 6 catches for 44 yards.

 

And they’ve been here for the entire off-season and 7 games. 

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And how do you suppose we acquire George Pickens?

 

 

Again, the talent.

 

Thats what Allen needs. 
 

Diggs alone is not enough. 
 

And yes, Kincaid has not been fully realized. 
 

But all this hand wringing, WHO are you going to use more on this roster? 
 

And Renfrow? Just another duplicate of what we’ve tried for years. 

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I think the results would be disappointing.

Hines had 11 touches on offense in 9 games. 

 

Harty is catching less than 2 passes per game.

 

Sherfied has 6 catches for 44 yards.

 

And they’ve been here for the entire off-season and 7 games. 

Again, the talent.

 

Thats what Allen needs. 
 

Diggs alone is not enough. 
 

And yes, Kincaid has not been fully realized. 
 

But all this hand wringing, WHO are you going to use more on this roster? 
 

And Renfrow? Just another duplicate of what we’ve tried for years. 

Kincaid is about to be fully realized.  He’s going to be our #2 target in the passing game until leaves.  He’s better than George Pickens imo.  With Knox now out awhile- Kincaid will be out full time starting TE, maybe forever.  He’ll be playing some slot too, but adding a high Iq slot guy would help.  
 

idk if Renfrow is the guy….but if we were to add a WR the quality of Beasley in 2020. It would help our offense 💯 

[Buffalo03]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:53 AM, Bangarang said:

No he’s not. Renfrow’s cap hit next year is $13.7 mil. You’re praying that his lack of production is a result of McDaniels otherwise you’re left paying a lot of money to another useless receiver. We can’t afford that.

In his defense, he had a 100 catch season 2 years ago before McDaniels got there 

[ngbills]

29 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Kincaid is about to be fully realized.  He’s going to be our #2 target in the passing game until leaves.  He’s better than George Pickens imo.  With Knox now out awhile- Kincaid will be out full time starting TE, maybe forever.  He’ll be playing some slot too, but adding a high Iq slot guy would help.  
 

idk if Renfrow is the guy….but if we were to add a WR the quality of Beasley in 2020. It would help our offense 💯 

I am still high on Kincaid.

 

But the expectations need to be tempered. He has shows to be capable pass catcher that can get open in the zone. He is reliable and catches the balls he should.

 

He has not show that he can beat guys one on one. That he can dominate a defender and make contested catches. That he can run people over or juke people after the catch. 

 

Not to say some of this wont change. But as of now he is a solid reliable target that get you you some short yardage vs the zone. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:42 AM, Virgil said:

I don't think our personnel is the problem.  Sherfield was good on the Dolphins.  Harty gets open.  Davis (matter of opinion on here).  Dorsey doesn't know how to call plays for anyone besides Diggs.  

 

Unless we are playing the Dolphins, which Josh just owns, changing anything besides Dorsey isn't going to matter

You really think the offense is;

- Diggs run this route, you are the 1-4 reads and the check down.

- Everyone else just clear out the secondary…. 

 

You realize most NFL pass play designs provides a progression of decision making for the Quarterback, right? 

[NewEra]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

I am still high on Kincaid.

 

But the expectations need to be tempered. He has shows to be capable pass catcher that can get open in the zone. He is reliable and catches the balls he should.

 

He has not show that he can beat guys one on one. That he can dominate a defender and make contested catches. That he can run people over or juke people after the catch. 

 

Not to say some of this wont change. But as of now he is a solid reliable target that get you you some short yardage vs the zone. 

He has all the tools you speak of and has shown to be able to do everything you speak of, albeit in college.  His rac ability is beyond obvious, if you haven’t seen that yet, rewatch his touches. He’ll never prove to able to make contested catches….. until we start throwing him contested passes.  
 

He is what we make of him. Just like any other playmaker we trade for.  We have to implement said playmaker into the offense properly.  It’s on Dorsey and Josh to allow these playmakers to prove themselves and eat.  
 

edit:  his problem has been penalties

Edited October 25, 2023 by NewEra

[4merper4mer]

This shiny object is even very shiny.

[kkim0904]

If we really need another WR at slot, I take Beasley at veteran min. over Renfrow.

[Dick_Cheney]

4 minutes ago, kkim0904 said:

If we really need another WR at slot, I take Beasley at veteran min. over Renfrow.

This would definitely be the funniest way that the Bills could blow up the rest of their season.

[Chaos]

On 10/16/2023 at 10:59 AM, Bubba Gump said:

Allen had 30 pass attempts last night. 16 went Diggs way. Not good. 

Why not. If Diggs is the first read on 16 plays and he is open on all 16, he should get 16 targets. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

20 minutes ago, kkim0904 said:

If we really need another WR at slot, I take Beasley at veteran min. over Renfrow.

We did that last year 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

I'm puzzled by the decline of Hunter Renfrow. He played great in the slot with Carr, but he seems to have been phased out of the offense this year.

 

He's only 28, but he has a $13 Million cap hit this season, making a trade to any team difficult. 

Have you seen who the head coach is?

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

And how do you suppose we acquire George Pickens?

 

 

Gun and ski mask might work. After that I'm outta ideas

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What would our offense look like with George Pickens as the #2 WR? 

What would it look like if we could get Davante Adams or Cooper Kupp?

 

Sounds great, but doubtful it happens.

[Big Turk]

I prefer this one

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

Ive been on the Renfrow wagon since last year. I wanted Beasley 2.0 for Allen for awhile.

 

But ill admit after watching the jets, jags, and Pats games I've started to change my mind, mainly because I don't think it's a personel issue or all on the play calling, josh allen has been flat out playing bad. He seems to be in a mental funk, and I honestly don't know if another slot wr will help as much as getting a defensive key player to help the depleted defense.

[transplantbillsfan]

Can't we trade for him and immediately extend him?  Or since teams need to have that CAP space available before acquiring a player, work out the deal with the Raiders so that they extend him to exactly the contract we want before we sign him?  I don't know if that's possible... but it could make the trade work.

 

Renfrow's current contract is just over $11m AAV.  He's Cole Beasley, but better. 

 

I would much rather pay Renfrow $11m for the next handful of seasons and draft a WR in the first few rounds than pay Gabe Davis the $13-$17m he's going to get as a 2nd contract.