Virgil Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000018b-04e4-dc36-a9fb-cfe525860000 Sorry, won’t embed. But that can’t possibly be correct, can it? 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 They simply lose all credibility with that... Bills are #2 in the NFL at pressure rate, #1 in sack percentage and have the lowest blitz percentage in the league. 5 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Virgil said: https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000018b-04e4-dc36-a9fb-cfe525860000 Sorry, won’t embed. But that can’t possibly be correct, can it? That’s what they said. Pretty ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 YES! We can hate PFF again! 5 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 so dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Maybe they’re only grading the Raiders game 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) They also hate ocyrus Torrence lol I don’t think pff even normalizes their score based on opponents so there’s really nothing to support the bills having a bad pass rush. If they got less points for beating up on bad olines maybe that would hold them back a bit but I don’t think it works that way Edited October 6, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Udubalum07 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Wow... that loses a ton of credibility for them. The line has definitely passed the eye test, and the numbers have shown that as well. I can't imagine how they could be so low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Are these calculations all over the map intentionally ? To cause conversation ? I’m not sure why some of these results are so absurdly contradictory to what you’re actually watching. Are they just determined to be smarter than the old guard prior to analytics. Strange. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Ed Oliver is literally 3rd in the league in pressures from the DT position but he’s their 43rd rated DT. I’m at a loss for words but it is what it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 That sounds like the number for second half of 2022 after Von went down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Didn’t someone post a chart earlier this week that said PFF had the Bills with a pass rush grade of 100? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 That was an article with someone referencing PFF. Not actually a PFF site. The author is probably using data from last year after Von went down. Seems just poorly written. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 @Einstein You have an account with them. Can you verify? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 30 minutes ago, sunshynman said: YES! We can hate PFF again! Yeah there was one day earlier in the week we had to like them. Glad that's over with! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: @Einstein You have an account with them. Can you verify? Yes, I can confirm this is true. I have to dig into the numbers to see why (on the road right now). Edit; PFF is assigning much of our pass rush success to excellent coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: That was an article with someone referencing PFF. Not actually a PFF site. The author is probably using data from last year after Von went down. Seems just poorly written. I suspect, either poorly written or poorly researched. It should read something like: "After Von Miller's Thanksgiving Day injury last year the Bills pass rush ranked...........according to PFF but this year they rank them _________ after 4 games. But I could be wrong if what Einstein has reported is accurate. Edited October 6, 2023 by JESSEFEFFER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 41 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Ed Oliver is literally 3rd in the league in pressures from the DT position but he’s their 43rd rated DT. I’m at a loss for words but it is what it is. And he has 6 TFLs in the run game so not like that is dragging him down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 As if anyone needed any more evidence that PFF is a joke. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 And this is why people laugh at pff, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 When will we stop with PFF. Whether it's good or bad for the Bills, THEY SUCK REGARDLESS. They're grades are trash. Stop giving them internet traffic. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 51 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: They also hate ocyrus Torrence lol I don’t think pff even normalizes their score based on opponents so there’s really nothing to support the bills having a bad pass rush. If they got less points for beating up on bad olines maybe that would hold them back a bit but I don’t think it works that way Never forget their crusade pushing Josh as a failure, until they had no choice but to admit Josh is elite. F# pff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: When will we stop with PFF. Whether it's good or bad for the Bills, THEY SUCK REGARDLESS. They're grades are trash. Stop giving them internet traffic. They know a lot of our fans get upset and flood their pages when they do stuff like this so they keep doing it. IIRC they’ve admitted to doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: When will we stop with PFF. Whether it's good or bad for the Bills, THEY SUCK REGARDLESS. They're grades are trash. Stop giving them internet traffic. Just because you do not like or agree with the grades do not mean that they are trash. Every single NFL team as well as 80+ college teams pay PFF for their data. And it's not because these teams like to waste money. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I'm sure that's comforting to Tua and Sam Howell. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 More evidence PFF is a joke and a huge scam for whoever pays for the nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: Just because you do not like or agree with the grades do not mean that they are trash. Every single NFL team as well as 80+ college teams pay PFF for their data. And it's not because these teams like to waste money. subscriber cope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 PFF grades are whatever Chris "I'm in love with Patrick Mahomes like legit manlove" Collinsworth thinks at given moment, and there's a whole army of unpaid interns who have to back the math into it, im convinced 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, wppete said: More evidence PFF is a joke and a huge scam for whoever pays for the nonsense. The Bills pay for it. 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Ed Oliver is literally 3rd in the league in pressures from the DT position but he’s their 43rd rated DT. I’m at a loss for words but it is what it is. The PFF metrics are essentially indicating that Ed Oliver is doing well due to DaQuan Jones dominance next to him. They have Jones as a top 5 DT in the entire NFL - right next to Aaron Donald and Chris Jones. Oliver is tied for 27th in QB hurries. He is 24th in hits. 12 minutes ago, dorquemada said: PFF grades are whatever Chris "I'm in love with Patrick Mahomes like legit manlove" Collinsworth thinks at given moment, and there's a whole army of unpaid interns who have to back the math into it, im convinced PFF has graded Mahomes fairly poorly this season. He is tied with Kirk Cousins. . Edited October 6, 2023 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuiwek Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 THIS is what I needed to feel like we cant win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 21 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yes, I can confirm this is true. I have to dig into the numbers to see why (on the road right now). Edit; PFF is assigning much of our pass rush success to excellent coverage. Definitely do not agree with this and very little would. For instance, I know all of our sacks on Sam Howell came when he held the ball for 4 seconds. That doesn't just mean coverage sack. Howell had to move around in the pocket because he was getting pressured from multiple areas which causes him to hold the ball longer as well. We have very tall Defensive ends and Rosseau rushes from the middle which blocks the QB's vision....causes the QB hold onto the ball. Tua had only been touched 5 times prior to playing us. We got to him several times. We took away Tua's first read and got to him before he could comfortably get to his second read. We've seen this DL collapsing pockets constantly. There isn't a better pass rusher from the interior than Oliver right now. You know I am not a PFF grades/rankings person and this is a prime example of how this is pretty poor subjective grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Definitely do not agree with this and very little would. For instance, I know all of our sacks on Sam Howell came when he held the ball for 4 seconds. That doesn't just mean coverage sack. Howell had to move around in the pocket because he was getting pressured from multiple areas which causes him to hold the ball longer as well. We have very tall Defensive ends and Rosseau rushes from the middle which blocks the QB's vision....causes the QB hold onto the ball. Tua had only been touched 5 times prior to playing us. We got to him several times. We took away Tua's first read and got to him before he could comfortably get to his second read. We've seen this DL collapsing pockets constantly. There isn't a better pass rusher from the interior than Oliver right now. You know I am not a PFF grades/rankings person and this is a prime example of how this is pretty poor subjective grade. but muh analytics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Einstein said: Just because you do not like or agree with the grades do not mean that they are trash. Every single NFL team as well as 80+ college teams pay PFF for their data. And it's not because these teams like to waste money. They aren't paying for the same data that the casual fan gets. I am 100% positive Beane and McDermott are paying $12-$15 a month to review position player and team grades/rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: They aren't paying for the same data that the casual fan gets. I am 100% positive Beane and McDermott are paying $12-$15 a month to review position player and team grades/rankings. Agreed, definitely not $12-$15/mo. From what i've heard teams are paying over $100k for the data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000018b-04e4-dc36-a9fb-cfe525860000 Sorry, won’t embed. But that can’t possibly be correct, can it? This is exactly why stats are for losers. Because stats can be brought up to make any argument. Replace the word “best” in the linked video with “stats” and you have the answer. ***NSFW*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Agreed, definitely not $12-$15/mo. From what i've heard teams are paying over $100k for the data. Do you think with this data, our opponents are going to start to game plan going downfield more against us? Since our pass rush is so poor, the QB will have time to throw or get to their 3rd or 4th read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000018b-04e4-dc36-a9fb-cfe525860000 Sorry, won’t embed. But that can’t possibly be correct, can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: https://www.nbcsports.com/fantasy/football/player-news?playerNewsId=0000018b-04e4-dc36-a9fb-cfe525860000 Sorry, won’t embed. But that can’t possibly be correct, can it? We have 16 team sacks, which is tied for #1 in the league. I know that this is not the only stat that matters for pass rushing, but it is definitely an indicator of success. https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/defense/stat/passing/table/passing/sort/sacks/dir/desc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Since our pass rush is so poor, the QB will have time to throw or get to their 3rd or 4th read? To be honest I don't agree with PFF's take on our pass rush. It doesnt match with what i've seen on the field. However, I think we find out if they're correct this week. Tre is obviously out and Benford is practicing with a red jersey, so he may be out. If the pass rush is really a benefit of great coverage then we may realize it on Sunday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Beast said: That’s what they said. Pretty ridiculous. Meanwhile that groan heard in London was from the blonde guy with long hair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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