JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 This shocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Blank Stare said: I have to question your reading comprehension here my dude. Wtf does counting or 5th grade math have anything to do with my post? Chill out man. Not that serious. 7 hours ago, Limeaid said: You exaggerate Klein's age - I exaggerate your ability to subtract current year from year Klein was born. I think the miscalculation of his age had to do with an error in the "order of operations." Remember PEMDAS: Parentheses, Exponents, Multiplication, and Division (from left to right), Addition and Subtraction (from left to right). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 I'll always remember him as the Bills future starting MLB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Success said: I don't know. If my job description was "hang out on the practice squad, don't get hit, make money" - I think I'd stick it out. I don’t get how he signs with the Bills and then retires three weeks later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 6 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: He wasn't released, he retired. He's a 9-year veteran and could have signed with any team, anytime, on or off a practice squad. I know he wasn't released . I guess i should have worded it differently meaning that after his paper work was done with the Bills and he was free to if he wanted to that including the possibility of changing his mind to then sign again with another team that he could . But i didn't want to write all of that so i worded it the way i did . But thanks for giving me the info about him being able to sign with who ever i figured that he may have been able to but usually other teams come looking for the player not the other way around most times . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 That's too bad. I think he would have been at the very least a decent backup for Bernard. Klein can play, but McDermott will have to tweak the defense if Klein has to start for an injured Bernard at some point. Klein's skill set is different from Bernard's and he can't do some of the things the Bills are asking Bernard do. At least he can't do them as well. I wonder how Dorian Williams fits in the Bills' plans now. Has that changed with the departure of Kirksey? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 5 hours ago, JohnNord said: I don’t get how he signs with the Bills and then retires three weeks later He must have been a ranch guy but the cafeteria only serves blue cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 His contributions will never be forgotten... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, maddenboy said: i suspect it might also be that whatever McBeane told him he needed to do (to improve himself) in order to pass Bernard, Kirksey just decided he didnt have it in himself to do all that, at this point in his career. Because otherwise, he might have (and he might have behind the scenes) asked to be cut or traded so he could catch on somewhere else. Kirksey doesn't have to ask to be cut or traded or go behind the scenes to catch on somewhere else. He's on the practice squad. He's a free agent. Any other team can sign him to their 53 man roster at any time. I think a vet player like Kirksey doesn't have to be told what he needs to do. He has eyes. He watches the same film as the coaches. He gets feedback and GPS data after every practice, I think the players have access to this routinely. Remember when he came here, Bernard was a big unknown. He hadn't played in any pre-season games due to hammy. So Kirksey looks over the Bills MLB roster and says "I can beat out this Dodson guy, who else they got? I'll be elevated to the roster and playing by week 3 if not week 2, easy peasy." But after 2 weeks, Bernard has played pretty well and his arrow is trending up. Kirksey goes "hmmmm, I might be on this practice squad for a while and it's not for me." All 31 other teams could have signed him before and after he joined the Bills PS, so his agent is telling him "no interest, sorry". So he retires. Edited September 22, 2023 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) On 9/21/2023 at 9:29 AM, Dablitzkrieg said: Bc Bernard took his job pretty much. Sucks not having the depth, but Klein should be adequate 9 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Kirksey doesn't have to ask to be cut or traded or go behind the scenes to catch on somewhere else. He's on the practice squad. He's a free agent. Any other team can sign him to their 53 man roster at any time. I think a vet player like Kirksey doesn't have to be told what he needs to do. He has eyes. He watches the same film as the coaches. He gets feedback and GPS data after every practice, I think the players have access to this routinely. Remember when he came here, Bernard was a big unknown. He hadn't played in any pre-season games due to hammy. So Kirksey looks over the Bills MLB roster and says "I can beat out this Dodson guy, who else they got? I'll be elevated to the roster and playing by week 3 if not week 2, easy peasy. But after 2 weeks, Bernard has played pretty well and his arrow is trending up. Kirksey goes "hmmmm, I might be on this practice squad for a while and it's not for me." All 31 other teams could have signed him before and after he joined the Bills PS, so his agent is telling him "no interest, sorry". So he retires. Excellent breakdown. Edited September 22, 2023 by ChronicAndKnuckles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 20 hours ago, T master said: Well that's a huge change from what he was saying when they brought him aboard I wonder if it was because they kept him on the practice squad & didn't bring him up ASAP ?? I guess we will find out if after he is released he signs with another team ... If that be the case then the Bills didn't need him around anyway !! If another team he wanted to sign with made him an offer, he didn't need to wait. He could have signed right off the Bills practice squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Bc Bernard took his job pretty much. Sucks not having the depth, but Klein should be adequate Excellent breakdown. Thanks! Yep this. Bills looked at him and said "as a backup stashed on the practice squad, Christian Kirksey >> AJ Klein. Kirksey, you willing, you in." Fans made it all into "We signed Christian Kirksey! Yeah, he's on the practice squad, but that's just until he learns the calls. He's better than Bernard, he's gonna be our new MLB!" ignoring that if a team really wants to be able to count on a guy, they usually find space on their 53 man roster. Vet players typically (not always) wind up on practice squads because no other team in the league wants to roster them. See Beasley, Cole. Edited September 22, 2023 by Beck Water 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: His contributions will never be forgotten... wall of fame? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: wall of fame? Yes one in bathroom - splatter guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 First Shell, now Kirksey. Who knows what's behind this. Could be both those guys were just tired of the physical punishment and the challenges of staying in shape. Could be they didn't want to back up someone, they wanted to play. Maybe it was their wives, who were tired of moving and were not looking forward to seeing just how interesting a Buffalo winter might be. I don't blame Beane for this unless he had inside info that we don't, that whispered that either or both were likely to retire. There does seem to be a dearth of OTs and MLBs for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Utah John said: First Shell, now Kirksey. Who knows what's behind this. Could be both those guys were just tired of the physical punishment and the challenges of staying in shape. Could be they didn't want to back up someone, they wanted to play. Maybe it was their wives, who were tired of moving and were not looking forward to seeing just how interesting a Buffalo winter might be. I don't blame Beane for this unless he had inside info that we don't, that whispered that either or both were likely to retire. There does seem to be a dearth of OTs and MLBs for whatever reason. Guys retire while on team rosters all the time. The Patriots have had 3 players retire this year, the Jets 2 and Dolphins 1. Tampa leads this year with 4 retirees leaving the team. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/retired/ This is no big thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted September 22, 2023 Share Posted September 22, 2023 So i have a question about Kirksey's retirement . How much do the Bills have to pay him & of the money that he signed in his contract how much of that money do the Bills have to claim against the cap ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 On 9/21/2023 at 8:17 AM, Logic said: I think it was more so the "I was just waiting for Bernard to get hurt and Kirksey to take over" wording that I objected to. Also, Kwon Alexander is 227. Fred Warner is 230. Lavonte David is 233. Matt Milano is 225. Bernard is a bit slight, yes, but he's not tiny. His size compares reasonably well to some top flight linebackers around the league who have managed to have good to great careers. I remember several seasons ago, early in Milano’s career, a color commentator referring to him as “… the undersized linebacker, Matt Milano.” Of course, no one calls him that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 McClappy PR was overly positive and supportive of him and the retirement. It was quite an endorsement for the suddenness. Must have really been on stellar terms and helped with Bernard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 Wall of fame! Thurman Thomas is on Miami Wall Of fame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_in_the_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Since1981 said: Wall of fame! Thurman Thomas is on Miami Wall Of fame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_in_the_Pro_Football_Hall_of_Fame You need to re-read page. It is a list of Players, coaches and personnel who can never get the fishy smell off them at NFL Hall of Fame. Quote The list of inductees into the Pro Football Hall of Fame includes players, coaches, and contributors (e.g., owners and team or league officials) who have "made outstanding contributions to professional football". The "charter" class of seventeen was selected in 1963.[1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 19 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Guys retire while on team rosters all the time. The Patriots have had 3 players retire this year, the Jets 2 and Dolphins 1. Tampa leads this year with 4 retirees leaving the team. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/transactions/retired/ This is no big thing. Exactly. The Bills retirements seems disproportionate because we follow the Bills closely. Lots of veterans see/feel the writing on the wall during this time of the NFL calendar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: Exactly. The Bills retirements seems disproportionate because we follow the Bills closely. Lots of veterans see/feel the writing on the wall during this time of the NFL calendar. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted September 23, 2023 Share Posted September 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: Exactly. The Bills retirements seems disproportionate because we follow the Bills closely. Lots of veterans see/feel the writing on the wall during this time of the NFL calendar. It's also more prevalent with good teams. Vets who are on the fence to begin with think "I'll stick it out another year because I have a chance at a Lombardi". Then they come in and realize they really don't want to put that work in. I think Kirksey was probably thinking about it already but saw an opportunity here with Bernard being a big question mark. Now that it seems he's got the MLB position on lock and Kirksey would probably be sitting on the PS making peanuts and would only being called upon if Bernard got hurt - he decided he'd rather be with his family, my guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) I don’t get the too small comments, at 6 1 225 he’s about an inch shorter & 15 lbs lighter than the average (6 2 240) NFL LB. What he does lack in size he makes up in speed, instinct & aggression. Kirksey wanted to play, his path was blocked. Edited September 26, 2023 by PayDaBill$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 "Hello Christian, Brandon Beane here" 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 8:30 AM, PayDaBill$ said: I don’t get the too small comments, at 6 1 225 he’s about an inch shorter & 15 lbs lighter than the average (6 2 240) NFL LB. What he does lack in size he makes up in speed, instinct & aggression. Kirksey wanted to play, his path was blocked. Looks like a path has been cleared! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Yea maybe he retired because he didn’t want to be on the bench. Looks like there is an opening now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 oddest bump ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Well...this bit us in the @$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: oddest bump ever How so? May be time for dude to come back right about now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Kirksey needs to come back and Klein needs to get up. Sadly our LB and scheme is so specific that it's not easy to replace Milano no matter how good he is. Klein has played multiple roles for under McD so maybe there is something there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 12 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: How so? May be time for dude to come back right about now. He's retired. He doesn't want to play. Why not tell Mario Williams it's time to come back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Wow one read and go. Elam? Ok run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: He's retired. He doesn't want to play. Why not tell Mario Williams it's time to come back. How do you know? He signed here. It's not impossible to think he saw Bernards emergence and realized he doesn't have a chance to start, so he retired. I certainly don't know, but there is precedent for players unretiring when a team suddenly has a void at their position. It's not like he retired years ago, it was this camp and it's week 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Did he actually retire and turn in papers? Believe there's a difference WRT eligibility to return if actually retired. Just last week read how Matt Ryan did NOT turn in retirement papers so he could come back and play. Not sure what it all means or doesn't mean, but apparently there is some type of difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said: How do you know? He signed here. It's not impossible to think he saw Bernards emergence and realized he doesn't have a chance to start, so he retired. I certainly don't know, but there is precedent for players unretiring when a team suddenly has a void at their position. It's not like he retired years ago, it was this camp and it's week 5 he played 9 seasons--one complete one in the past 5 years....and he retired because he didn't want to be a backup? He was released by his last 3 teams!! Come on...lol he got tired of the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 The Bills need to convince Kirksey to un-retire ASAP. He should be back at practice come Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 It's going to be Klein and Bernard next week until the rookie is ready. I doubt Kirksey is coming back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 Well if not him we should be calling the panthers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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