wjag Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Brett Veach is probably apoplectic now.. Meanwhile in the Jones' household .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 So what would the injury settlement look like with a contract like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Great! I wonder how much Epenesa is going to want now! 😃 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said: You can do that when you run the least QB-dependent offensive system in the NFL. And Mr Irrelevant under contract for peanuts for a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Nick Bosa should change to #34 (available) since he is the $34 Million dollar man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Aurelius Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 1 hour ago, AuntieEm said: I'm old enough to remember reading Ralph paid 40,000 for the rights to an NFL franchise in his 2nd choice of locations when he did not get the Miami franchise he wanted. Well, I'm old enough to remember when Fred Flintstone was on the ONE DOLLAR BILL. So there ... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’m old enough to remember when that was considered QB type money That amount is more than the entire team salary cap of 1994 NFL Salary Cap History 2023: $224,800,000 2022: $208,200,000 2021: $182,500,000 2020: $198,200,000 2019: $188,200,000 2018: $177,200,000 2017: $167,000,000 2016: $155,270,000 2015: $143,280,000 2014: $133,000,000 2013: $123,600,000 2012: $120,600,000 2011: $120,375,000 2010: Uncapped 2009: $123,000,000 2008: $116,000,000 2007: $109,000,000 2006: $102,000,000 2005: $85,500,000 2004: $80,582,000 2003: $75,007,000 2002: $71,101,000 2001: $67,405,000 2000: $62,172,000 1999: $57,288,000 1998: $52,388,000 1997: $41,454,000 1996: $40,753,000 1995: $37,100,000 1994: $34,608,000 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Why should NFL be any different than US with the hyperinflation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: The Von deal with the upside of elite pass rushing on a sporadic basis is looking better and better. Agreed. I was somewhat opposed to the Miller signing. I saw the importance of having an edge guy like Von on the team, of course. But I worried about the cap implications and opportunity cost. We could have built a better OL with that money! In fact, I still complain about the opportunity cost. But, compared to this deal, Von looks like a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 49ers had other options. Force him to play on the tag or trade him. Sometimes you just have to make the tough call and let them go be someone else's cap problem. The master of this was of course Belichick but Ozzie Newsome was good at it too. Both won titles with great defenses. Not sure that is possible anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 How’s he supposed to feed his family? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said: There's no chance he comes close to living up to that contract. Even if he gets 20 sacks a year, is 1.7M/sack even worth it? That would be like paying AJ Epenesa 10M last year. It's far more realistic that he averages in the mid double digits ~15 for 2.8M/sack Contract doesn't make sense to me either. He had better dominate in the post season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Charles Romes said: The Von deal with the upside of elite pass rushing on a sporadic basis is looking better and better. every deal from 2-3 years old looks better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 Good for him but impossible to live up to that (imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: Probably was top QB money like what, 10 years ago even? Crazy how much the cap has skyrocketed Literally 5 years ago. Matt Ryan signed for 5 years $150 million. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Wtf - this is before the Bosa deal. They need to win now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 This is why you take chances on guys like boogie Basham Sometimes it just doesn’t work out 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 The cap goes up every season, by a lot, and teams restructure deals that frees up a lot also. Let's not overreact here. SF is fine. Super bowl contender with an amazing defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 4 hours ago, Mango said: The QB contract is starting to flirt with becoming prohibitive. The QB plus superstar WR1 combo is definitely prohibitive in modern terms. (Allen/Diggs are nearly $75M next season) I haven’t run numbers in the last year or so but as a percentage of cap qb contracts aren’t wildly out of line with days gone by. the remarkable thing is likely as a percentage of ownership cash on hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, ticketssince61 said: That amount is more than the entire team salary cap of 1994 NFL Salary Cap History 2023: $224,800,000 2022: $208,200,000 2021: $182,500,000 2020: $198,200,000 2019: $188,200,000 2018: $177,200,000 2017: $167,000,000 2016: $155,270,000 2015: $143,280,000 2014: $133,000,000 2013: $123,600,000 2012: $120,600,000 2011: $120,375,000 2010: Uncapped 2009: $123,000,000 2008: $116,000,000 2007: $109,000,000 2006: $102,000,000 2005: $85,500,000 2004: $80,582,000 2003: $75,007,000 2002: $71,101,000 2001: $67,405,000 2000: $62,172,000 1999: $57,288,000 1998: $52,388,000 1997: $41,454,000 1996: $40,753,000 1995: $37,100,000 1994: $34,608,000 Very nice research to post on this thread. 🍻 Crazy to see posted like this in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: How’s he supposed to feed his family? Well at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Jerome007 said: They guy is VERY good. But only QBs impact the game in a way that justifies this amount. Even him, Watt and Donald don't have as much impact as a Mahomes or Allen. Well, not our problem Disagree. Von Miller had 8 sacks before tearing his ACL. He dominated the game against the Rams and then against the Chiefs. You don't win those games without his contribution. The DE is that critical to have a super star. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 4 hours ago, AuntieEm said: I'm old enough to remember reading Ralph paid 40,000 for the rights to an NFL franchise in his 2nd choice of locations when he did not get the Miami franchise he wanted. Lol I was born same year As Bills 1960. Think they played 3 games when I was born. I looked it up recently and mentioned they had a winning record when I was born so I expect they finally getting back on track for my 2nd childhood.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 They could pay me 500k per sack I'll get one. Somehow. Someway. Give me a shot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: 49ers had other options. Force him to play on the tag or trade him. Sometimes you just have to make the tough call and let them go be someone else's cap problem. The master of this was of course Belichick but Ozzie Newsome was good at it too. Both won titles with great defenses. Not sure that is possible anymore. Chandler jones and Richard Seymour were great. Nick Bosa is different. If they trade him, they won’t be SB contenders. They have some nice players on D, but don’t get it twisted. He IS their their chance to win a SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 (edited) I wonder if the NFLPA will bargain next time around to elevate the minimum salaries. They are the majority of the players, and I’d think they would want to limit the excessive paydays that leave less for them. Squeeze the gap? Random thought. . Edited September 7, 2023 by Augie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Mango said: That’s insane. I don’t know how you field a team with contracts like that. If they have to pay a QB at some point…sheesh. apparently, the 49ers use CMC as RB/QB. I guess when Mr. Irrelevant is your QB, you can go crazy elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I’m old enough to remember when that was considered QB type money It wasn't even that long ago that $20 million a year was good QB money. Things have ballooned really quickly over the last decade. Peyton Manning was the highest paid QB in the NFL in 2010 and was making $19 million a season. We're more than double that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Mango said: That’s insane. I don’t know how you field a team with contracts like that. If they have to pay a QB at some point…sheesh. Agree. The 2017 cap was $167,000,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Augie said: I wonder if the NFLPA will bargain next time around to elevate the minimum salaries. They are the majority of the players, and I’d think they would want to limit the excessive paydays that leave less for them. Squeeze the gap? Random thought. They did in the last CBA. Each year the minimum salary has 45k added to it under the current CBA (raised to $750k this season from $705k last season). The last CBA only had a $15k yearly increase. The one before that had a $10k yearly increase. I would expect them to push for an even higher number in the next CBA. It's always tricky because the higher you push for an increase in minimum salary the more you're suppressing the salaries of the truly elite players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 2 hours ago, MJS said: It wasn't even that long ago that $20 million a year was good QB money. Things have ballooned really quickly over the last decade. Peyton Manning was the highest paid QB in the NFL in 2010 and was making $19 million a season. We're more than double that now. After adjusting for inflation that $19 million is $26,635,951 in today's dollars, which is still being doubled by the current Qb signings. It just shows how these salaries have incredibly ballooned. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Augie said: I wonder if the NFLPA will bargain next time around to elevate the minimum salaries. They are the majority of the players, and I’d think they would want to limit the excessive paydays that leave less for them. Squeeze the gap? Random thought. . The NFL is played in the Capital of Capitalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 3 hours ago, JaBu said: After adjusting for inflation that $19 million is $26,635,951 in today's dollars, which is still being doubled by the current Qb signings. It just shows how these salaries have incredibly ballooned. https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ All because NFL has become a 24/7/265 Product on Television with very ratings even on its rainy day !!!! It is the only sport that creates buzz for Shepherding cheap labor (College players) Draft to sign and lock up the cheap labor Rookie Mini-Camp Mandatory Mini Camp Applying Franchise Tag, Transition Tag Owners Meeting Training Camp Hall of Fame Game Hall of Fame Enshrinement 1st Pre Season Game Starters prep Pre season game Making the 53-man roster Announcing the captains of the squad Season Opener Preview Fantasy Drafts Season Opener Sunday Night Football Monday Night Double header Thursday Night Football Pink Month (Breast Cancer Awareness) Thanks Giving Football Saturday Night Football Flex Scheduling Final Playoffs candidates Fantasy super bowl Announcement of Pro Bowl Candidates Super Wildcard Weekend Divisional Round Conference Championship Meaningless Pro Bowl competition HoF candidate announcement Super Bowl Sunday SB MVP goes to Disney All Pro Ballots Clearing out Lockers Players going to their favorite Holiday spots Probably missing a few others...but the point is the NFL is broken down into so many chapters with each one garnering national attention on a daily basis. Go Bills ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, ganesh said: All because NFL has become a 24/7/265 Product on Television with very ratings even on its rainy day !!!! It is the only sport that creates buzz for Shepherding cheap labor (College players) Draft to sign and lock up the cheap labor Rookie Mini-Camp Mandatory Mini Camp Applying Franchise Tag, Transition Tag Owners Meeting Training Camp Hall of Fame Game Hall of Fame Enshrinement 1st Pre Season Game Starters prep Pre season game Making the 53-man roster Announcing the captains of the squad Season Opener Preview Fantasy Drafts Season Opener Sunday Night Football Monday Night Double header Thursday Night Football Pink Month (Breast Cancer Awareness) Thanks Giving Football Saturday Night Football Flex Scheduling Final Playoffs candidates Fantasy super bowl Announcement of Pro Bowl Candidates Super Wildcard Weekend Divisional Round Conference Championship Meaningless Pro Bowl competition HoF candidate announcement Super Bowl Sunday SB MVP goes to Disney All Pro Ballots Clearing out Lockers Players going to their favorite Holiday spots Probably missing a few others...but the point is the NFL is broken down into so many chapters with each one garnering national attention on a daily basis. Go Bills ! Coming soon: NFL Draft Lottery, live from Park Avenue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 Crazy, 34M AAV for a DE, vs Allen 43M AAV for a franchise QB....Allen's next deal is going to be even more crazy than we are probably thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 19 hours ago, Mango said: The QB contract is starting to flirt with becoming prohibitive. The QB plus superstar WR1 combo is definitely prohibitive in modern terms. (Allen/Diggs are nearly $75M next season) This right here... I understand wanting to get paid and setting yourself for life but don't act like a petulant baby when the team can't sign good supporting role players and you get bounced from the playoffs year after year. Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeavercreekBillsFan Posted September 7, 2023 Share Posted September 7, 2023 15 hours ago, ganesh said: Disagree. Von Miller had 8 sacks before tearing his ACL. He dominated the game against the Rams and then against the Chiefs. You don't win those games without his contribution. The DE is that critical to have a super star. This. Qb, LT, and DE. These are the most important positions. I’m sure around 10 pm Monday everyone on here will be screaming in the game thread that “Rodgers looks to comfortable back there” and “why can’t we beat this crap o line?!” while JAGs like Epenesa and Lawson struggle to get home. Von would change that. Guys that wreck games are worth every penny. The Niners know this. He’s going to line up next to Hargrave and Armstead and No QB this year will be safe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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