Bills @ Bears Game Day Thread?!?!?!?

[CNYfan]

Did Floyd play today, or is he under wraps?

[Dan Darragh]

8 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

Is it too soon for the Bears to take the GSH off their uniforms?  George Hallas has been dead for 40 years.

Paul Brown got it right, named the team after himself.  It's a lot harder to change.

[ColoradoBills]

Preseason games are for getting your starters in sync and evaluations of bubble players.  I think today's game did just that, so it was a win.

 

Beane has to do something at MLB.  Kyle Allen may have to start the season as QB2 but Beane needs (at a minimum) to bring a better

prospect at QB for the PS with hope he moves Kyle of the 53.  At most get a qualified QB2 on the team before the 1st game.

 

Look to upgrade (if possible) the OT situation.  Depth at WR/TE/RB all look ok for the other offensive positions.

 

The rest of the D (other than MLB) looks good enough for me.

 

Let's get this done and start the season!

Go Bills!

[Captain_Quint]

52 minutes ago, JDubya76 said:

Sounds like a show about nothing.

Yeah but he's my butler!

 

[4merper4mer]

13 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Nope. It’s Rousseau, Oliver, Jones, Floyd in a rotational role, and an injured Miller. The rest is riff raff.

You were hoping for fourteen All Pros?

[Dr. Who]

Just now, 4merper4mer said:

You were hoping for fourteen All Pros?

Pretty sure he's hoping for more riff raff.

 

[Draconator]

13 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Did Floyd play today, or is he under wraps?

He played the first couple of defensive series. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 hour ago, scuba guy said:

Young coach at New Mexico and than at cal burnley the director was opehomier.  The a bomb guy

He's a blast

[BBFL]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

True but that is a rotational position. The whole point of the Bills staying in nickel the whole time is they can play run or pass with two do it all backers. If their LB packages show their hand it negates one of the strengths of the scheme.

Fair point but the statistics on defense say that he played on 98% of Atlanta’s defensive snaps last year with well over a third of them being in a passing (presumably nickel) personnel. It isn’t looking pretty with anything we have on the roster. A cast off isn’t going to be worse and for a defense that lines up in a pass defensive unit more often than not, the biggest changes are for those at the front for gap control and technique. I’d rather they exhaust all options. He produced in Atlanta last year and did collegiately. We’ve seen it in the past where we’ve struggled to get off the field or make stops at crucial times in crucial games with this core staff and roster… with the way the LB play is looking, that might be rearing it’s head again. 
 

I am not, like most fans I’m sure, asking not expecting an All-Pro LB to be slotted into the need we have but there has to be an upgrade out there these coming weeks who is available for the team. 

Edited August 26, 2023 by BBFL

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

29 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

Is it too soon for the Bears to take the GSH off their uniforms?  George Hallas has been dead for 40 years.

A common misconception.  The year after Hallas' death, those were meant to signify his initials.  Ever since then, it has been related to the Bears' performance on field:

'Golly!  Sure Hurts!'

Edited August 26, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Bangarang]

Of all the preseason games I’ve seen this team play, this was definitely one of them. 
 

Onto the Jests.

[Dan Darragh]

4 minutes ago, BBFL said:

A cast off isn’t going to be great and for a defense that lines up in a pass defensive unit more often than not.

Better with the cast off than with it still on.

[BBFL]

2 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said:

Better with the cast off than with it still on.

Eh that was a typo, meant to say worse. Edited. 

[Dan Darragh]

Just now, BBFL said:

Eh that was a typo, meant to say worse. Edited. 

I think you meant to say castoff

[BBFL]

Just now, Dan Darragh said:

I think you meant to say castoff

Sure Chakayla. 

[PonyBoy]

I made a genuine request for a story...this board never disappoints with responses & humor 😃

Thank you...I think 😏

[LABILLBACKER]

54 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Preseason games are for getting your starters in sync and evaluations of bubble players.  I think today's game did just that, so it was a win.

 

Beane has to do something at MLB.  Kyle Allen may have to start the season as QB2 but Beane needs (at a minimum) to bring a better

prospect at QB for the PS with hope he moves Kyle of the 53.  At most get a qualified QB2 on the team before the 1st game.

 

Look to upgrade (if possible) the OT situation.  Depth at WR/TE/RB all look ok for the other offensive positions.

 

The rest of the D (other than MLB) looks good enough for me.

 

Let's get this done and start the season!

Go Bills!

Kyle Allen might be one of the worst Bills backups I've seen in 20 years.

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Kyle Allen might be one of the worst Bills backups I've seen in 20 years.

 

To be truthful I thought he was a good signing for the backup position.  I was wrong.  Barkley isn't any better, so they need another lotto ticket.

As for the "worse" I won't go down that road.  There wasn't even a decent starter through most of that time.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 hour ago, Turk71 said:

He's a vet backup/situational back at this stage. I think he can adequately fill that role for this season and bring knowledge and experience for the young ones.

 I like the fact that he has fumbled 3 times in his last 1000 carries and lost none of them. Not a single lost fumble in the last 7 seasons

I just think we have 4 or 5 guys better than him. It’s not a game for slow guys. At this stage, I want young legs at all the skill positions. I don’t expect him to make the team

[That's No Moon]

46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kyle Allen might be one of the worst Bills backups I've seen in 20 years.

This sounds like a fun game.  I don't like Kyle Allen either but let's plumb those depths. Bills QBs since 2003 not named Josh Allen. Not listed in any particular order. Rank em. If I missed anybody my apologies.

 

Kyle Allen

Jeff Tuel

Nathan Peterman

Brian Brohm

Derek Anderson

Joe Webb

Thad Lewis

Travis Brown

Levi Brown

Tyler Thigpen

Cardale Jones

JP Losman

Kelly Holcomb

Trent Edwards

Ryan Fitzpatrick

EJ Manuel

Shane Matthews

Drew Bledsoe

Alex Van Pelt

Davis Webb

Case Keenum

Matt Barkley

 

edit: Tyrod Taylor

Edited August 26, 2023 by That's No Moon

[BigDingus]

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

[syhuang]

1 minute ago, BigDingus said:

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

[Rocky Landing]

45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Kyle Allen might be one of the worst Bills backups I've seen in 20 years.

Nathan Peterman says, "hello," from the Bears' sideline. And, LABILLBACKER. You must have been at that Chargers game at Stubhub, right?

 

 

6 minutes ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

I disagree. The interception was a terrible route, where Davis gained zero leverage. It was also a terrible throw, but one that shouldn't have been made. The PBU was also a bad route with zero separation, and another was a drop. 

 

I would love to believe in Davis, but today did little to inspire, IMO.

 

 

Edited August 26, 2023 by Rocky Landing

[BuffaninSarasota]

10 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Gabe Davis - 1 reception on 4 targets (15 yards)

Stefon Diggs - 2 receptions on 2 targets (20 yards)

 

Didn't watch the full game, just the game broken down into a 30 min cut, but looks like Gabe is still inconsistent in pulling down those passes despite the many chances.

 

 

A “target” provides no context. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hmm. Well coughing up a return today defeinitely hasn't helped his case. I don't think Harty has been stand out at all in pre-season. But I do think he is making the team. As their main returner if nothing else. His usage on O will be interesting to track.

 

 

Sharty has shown ZERO juice in preseason.   

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t consider myself an OL guru but Bates is one of our 3 best OL and they want to bench him.

 

He probably would’ve beat out Spencer Brown at RT if given the opportunity.

[syhuang]

10 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Nathan Peterman says, "hello," from the Bears' sideline. And, LABILLBACKER. You must have been at that Chargers game at Stubhub, right?

 

 

I disagree. The interception was a terrible route, where Davis gained zero leverage. It was also a terrible throw, but one that shouldn't have been made. The PBU was also a bad route with zero separation, and another was a drop. 

 

I would love to believe in Davis, but today did little to inspire, IMO.

 

 

the post I replied to is about Davis having trouble pulling in the ball thrown to him, which I don’t have this impression during the game. The reply you made is about bad route, which may or may not be true, but is not what was discussed originally (have trouble pulling in the throws)

[BADOLBILZ]

24 minutes ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

 

 

The "3rd" one was the first pass of the game where Allen put a slant right on his hands and he just plain dropped it.

 

Excusing him for passes defended and interceptions ignores the fact that he doesn't play the position well enough to get open on the short and intermediate routes that move the chains.  

 

When you can't get open on most of the routes in the tree you gotta' be good at catching contested passes at least.........and he's not.    That's why he can't be an efficient WR2.

 

Last year Josh Allen's QB rating dropped a staggering 40 points when targeting Gabe(80) versus WR1 Diggs (120)..............and passes to Davis result in INT's more than any other target on the Bills.  

 

He does two things well.........run deep routes(like 9's and post routes)........ and then come back to the ball on very slow developing plays or scrambles.   

Edited August 26, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I don’t think Torrence had a very good game.

[HappyDays]

This is classic Edmunds. Decides to give extra attention to the one WR that was already covered and lets Diggs run right by him uncontested.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, syhuang said:

One is a bad throw become an interception and another is a good defense play where the cornerback has his hand on the ball. Can’t recall the 3rd one, but don’t get an impression Davis is inconsistent pulling the ball in when watching the game.

He had 2, including the first play of the game, that hit him in the hands and he dropped. 

[BigDingus]

On 8/26/2023 at 5:13 PM, BuffaninSarasota said:

A “target” provides no context. 

 

It provides a start. No stat provides ALL context, but in conjunction with what we've seen before, it still has value.

 

2020 - 35 receptions on 62 targets (58%)

2021 - 35 receptions on 63 targets (56%)

2022 - 48 receptions on 93 targets (52%)

 

So do QB's just throw worse every time they target Gabe? Or was Gabe 1 for 4 today because he either doesn't run the best routes, drops passes, or isn't able to get seperation & fight off defenders? 

 

By comparison, here's Diggs:

 

2020 - 127 receptions on 166 targets (77%)

2021 - 103 receptions on 164 targets (63%)

2022 - 108 receptions on 154 targets (70%)

 

Guess Allen just throws better when targeting Diggs...

 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by BigDingus

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

He had 2, including the first play of the game, that hit him in the hands and he dropped. 

Josh looked pissed.

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 hours ago, PonyBoy said:

On a side note...Bob Barker died 😔

99 years old.

 

He lives as close as he could to 100 without going over. Respect.

[Solomon Grundy]

I'd like to see more of Ty Johnson. He showed speed and power. Ability to hit the right holes

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The "3rd" one was the first pass of the game where Allen put a slant right on his hands and he just plain dropped it.

 

Excusing him for passes defended and interceptions ignores the fact that he doesn't play the position well enough to get open on the short and intermediate routes that move the chains.  

 

When you can't get open on most of the routes in the tree you gotta' be good at catching contested passes at least.........and he's not.    That's why he can't be an efficient WR2.

 

Last year Josh Allen's QB rating dropped a staggering 40 points when targeting Gabe(80) versus WR1 Diggs (120)..............and passes to Davis result in INT's more than any other target on the Bills.  

 

He does two things well.........run deep routes(like 9's and post routes)........ and then come back to the ball on very slow developing plays or scrambles.   

I'm a Davis fan but have no defense for him today. Another flat out drop and the stats are what they are. 

Diggs needs 20 more targets during the season than compared to last year. They need to ride him to the SuperBowl and use him like the top 3 WR he is. 

Kincaid and Knox need to be option #2/3 on this offense. Let Davis pick up the scraps until he can prove he won't drop the easy ones and kill drives.

[ngbills]

Starters did what they needed to do except:

 

Davis - bad drops, almost fumbled his first down wide open catch, did not defend on the interception and could have knocked the ball down. 
Harty - Not seeing the extra gear we hear about. His punt returns sucked, both were long kicks that gave him a ton of space. 
Kincaid - Will need to rewatch but he got shut out. 

 

[Dr. Who]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Starters did what they needed to do except:

 

Davis - bad drops, almost fumbled his first down wide open catch, did not defend on the interception and could have knocked the ball down. 
Harty - Not seeing the extra gear we hear about. His punt returns sucked, both were long kicks that gave him a ton of space. 
Kincaid - Will need to rewatch but he got shut out. 

 

Kincaid drew two defensive penalties. I am pretty sure they are keeping some of what Kincaid will do under wraps.

 

[In Summary]

I do not like the mini toilet seat collar jerseys. What gives?

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Josh looked pissed.

He should be.