Are the Dolphins obviously better than the Bills?

[Gregg]

8 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

The one thing we got to take into account is the aging of the Bills roster. On paper the names look great but we got a lot of our stars starting to age we will see if that makes a difference or not this yr. 

 

I would expect the Bills will have to re-tool or reshape the roster next offseason. I don't think it will be a rebuild but the team will have to get younger. To many players at or over 30.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, unbillievable said:

The Bills had the best roster in the AFCE, outside the quarterback, for a few years during the drought.

 

The Eagles had a better roster than KC at every position except QB and TE.

 

 

Exactly the better roster in modern today’s NFL football rules means nothing. If you don’t have a quarterback you aren’t winning. The Buffalo Bills had some good teams during the 17 drought it meant nothing against the better New England Patriots quarterbacked by Tom Brady. Tua is the reason Miami Dolphins won’t win he is the Joe Ferguson and Drew Bledsoe of the Buffalo Bills good but not good enough to win with.
 

To Miami Dolphins fans telling it like it is enjoy Messi and Inter Miami because that is all Miami is winning this season. It’s not meant as a put down Messi and Inter Miami are great to watch in MLS in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[julian]

Until they have a QB to rival Allen nothing else matters, the Dolphins have a nice roster for sure.

[Doc]

With Ramsey out for most of the season, they are only better at WR and arguably LB. So no, they are not better and definitely not "obviously." 

[hondo in seattle]

I think the reason McD has so many detractors is because many mafiosos overrate our roster.  If Beane built a SB roster, we ought to be playing in SBs.   But he hasn't (yet), and we're not (yet).

 

I tend to agree with Simms: outside of QB (and, obviously, that's a huge thing to leave out), Miami's roster has the edge.

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[hondo in seattle]

12 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

I would expect the Bills will have to re-tool or reshape the roster next offseason. I don't think it will be a rebuild but the team will have to get younger. To many players at or over 30.

 

On D that's the problem.

 

The bigger problem on offense is that - until maybe this year - we've only had two great players: Josh and Diggs.  Beane's offenses have been manned mostly by jags.  Some of the O Linemen who have started for us don't even deserve that appellation.   

[Augie]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No, they are stronger in a couple areas but overall the QB difference is too overwhelming 

 

Exactly, you can’t say, for example,  “we split”,  because QB is weighted so much more heavily than any other position. It’s hard to overcome having a china doll at the most important position. Tua has some skills, but I don’t know how long he can last. I hope he suffers no lasting damage. 

[JerseyBills]

We are wayyy better at qb which negates alot of other positions.  We're loaded top 2 bottom 

[JerseyBills]

17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

On D that's the problem.

 

The bigger problem on offense is that - until maybe this year - we've only had two great players: Josh and Diggs.  Beane's offenses have been manned mostly by jags.  Some of the O Linemen who have started for us don't even deserve that appellation.   

Everey team has jags though. Impossible to have stars at every position. We had a top 3 o for 3 years and now have upgraded both G positions and have the bestvTE duo in the game imo

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

This is all about "on paper". And on paper, it's tough to argue against their position.

 

The main difference in the Bills favor is how much better Josh is than Tua.

"Bills fans remembering that the QB position matters more than every other position by a mile after watching the team miss the playoffs for almost 20 years" challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[Scott7975]

I don't think it's a landslide but I do think it's pretty close.

[ColoradoBills]

Obviously.

 

[FilthyBeast]

Most posters here know my stance on the Dolphins, and quite frankly they still might have the best roster in the league even after losing a star player like Ramsey for probably the entire season.

 

With that said I'm still on the fence in terms of picking them to win the division this year because Tua still a big question mark in terms of staying healthy. But if he does they are right up there with the Chiefs and Bengals as the best teams in the league/conference and probably will take the AFCE with little resistance.

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

No, they are stronger in a couple areas but overall the QB difference is too overwhelming 

 

Tua was on track for an MVP season last year before the injuries and among the top 5 overall QB's in the league.

 

He's not going to wow you like Mahomes or JA17 but he's probably the best pure passer surgical type QB in the league and definitely on a trajectory to be the next Drew Brees. Seems like a good kid and wish him the best despite being on a division rival.

[GoBills808]

😂😂😂 hilarious I love it

 

 

[billybrew1]

3 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

Lot's of question marks and "ifs" in your OP response. The biggest "if" is IF Tua stays in for their season, the Phins are a much better team than the Bills.

 

They are faster, their offense runs a lot of motion and interesting plays. That is O coaching which they are better. All around, I'd say they have a stronger team. Again, this is with Tua.

 

If Tua didn't miss all those games last year including our playoff tilt - they beat us. I love the Bills but the Phins are gonna be tough this year!

If the Bills weren’t all beat up for both games the Bills walk away no contest.

[HappyDays]

I listen to Simms and Florio all the time. Simms in particular flat out overrates the Dolphins roster. Their OL is way too messy to say they are a top 3 roster.

[FilthyBeast]

8 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

If the Bills weren’t all beat up for both games the Bills walk away no contest.

 

Not so sure about that. Dolphins were down to their 3rd string rookie QB and still almost beat the Bills in a road playoff game.

 

This is why a lot of pundits see the Bills window as closed because of other AFC teams like the Dolphins rise. Say what you want about McDaniel but something tells me that goofy mofo going to be one of the all time great coaches when it's all said and done.

[Franco_92]

15 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not so sure about that. Dolphins were down to their 3rd string rookie QB and still almost beat the Bills in a road playoff game.

 

This is why a lot of pundits see the Bills window as closed because of other AFC teams like the Dolphins rise. Say what you want about McDaniel but something tells me that goofy mofo going to be one of the all time great coaches when it's all said and done.

The bills outgained the Dolphins by almost 1,000 yards across these three games lol. They walked all over the field on them, and had trouble finishing in the one game in which they used every OL on the roster and had Kumerow at WR2

 

in the third game they gave the Dolphins a defensive TD and like 3 drives starting inside the 20 and still won 

[teef]

28 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Not so sure about that. Dolphins were down to their 3rd string rookie QB and still almost beat the Bills in a road playoff game.

 

This is why a lot of pundits see the Bills window as closed because of other AFC teams like the Dolphins rise. Say what you want about McDaniel but something tells me that goofy mofo going to be one of the all time great coaches when it's all said and done.

He’s doing it!   Someone screen shot this sucker.  Every year…

[snamsnoops]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

 

Tua  JA17 was on track for an MVP season last year before the elbow injury and among the top 5 overall QB's in the league.

 

Had to fix it!

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by snamsnoops

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, arcane said:

The bills outgained the Dolphins by almost 1,000 yards across these three games lol. They walked all over the field on them, and had trouble finishing in the one game in which they used every OL on the roster and had Kumerow at WR2

 

in the third game they gave the Dolphins a defensive TD and like 3 drives starting inside the 20 and still won 

 

Yup.  The Bills spotted the Dols points and field position and would have beaten them 3 times if not for dumb scheduling.  This year the Miami game is the last game of the season.

[BillsSbSoon]

Well the rb room would swing in their favor if they wind up getting Jonathan Taylor, which is the rumor. 

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Well the rb room would swing in their favor if they wind up getting Jonathan Taylor, which is the rumor. 

 

Other teams are in on him.  Doubtful they get him.

[Rocky Landing]

47 minutes ago, arcane said:

The bills outgained the Dolphins by almost 1,000 yards across these three games lol. They walked all over the field on them, and had trouble finishing in the one game in which they used every OL on the roster and had Kumerow at WR2

 

in the third game they gave the Dolphins a defensive TD and like 3 drives starting inside the 20 and still won 

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t one of those games the one where Quessenberry was out there at LT with a high ankle sprain all taped up, and was literally falling over on some plays?

[Franco_92]

Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t one of those games the one where Quessenberry was out there at LT with a high ankle sprain all taped up, and was literally falling over on some plays?

And Tommy Doyle finished the game at RT with a fully torn ACL and Van Roten was the center yes

[snamsnoops]

28 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Other teams are in on him.  Doubtful they get him.

I really don't think he will be traded. The Colts are going to want a lot!

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, snamsnoops said:

I really don't think he will be traded. The Colts are going to want a lot!

 

Probably, and he'll also want a lot (north of $12M/year on a long-term deal).  So my statement still stands. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Doc

[MJS]

Not considering the QB, I'd say it is fairly close. Considering the QB, the Bills are better. And, I'd say the Bills have a significant advantage in the experience and battle hardened aspects of football.

[John from Riverside]

I think you were confusing
 

Have more talent on the roster

With

Being a better team

 

They are obviously not a better team for the simple fact that the majority of the time they can’t beat us

[QLBillsFan]

Not to blow off the premise of the post, but the rosters are close. JA until Tua proves otherwise gives the Bills a significant advantage. The guru HC is a bit overrated in the sense that they had a really rough last part of the season. Until those two prove they are legit I’m not sold. The loss in September was a unique game. The Bills out gained them 3-1.  We shall see, Phins are better but Bills are much healthier than last year. All that matters is which team finishes strong. The first 10 games are just staying in the mix. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by QLBillsFan

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Bills beat them with their pretty disastrous post von miller defense so I don’t think they can be THAT good lol especially when you subtract jalen Ramsey. 
 

tua is a one trick pony that doesn’t really see the field well when the pocket breaks down and doesn’t improvise well when you disrupt his timing with his wrs

 

the dolphins had a quirky schedule with very fluky wins over the ravens and bills and a bunch of easy games then they completely folded when they had a stretch of difficult afc opponents even with tua playing 

1 hour ago, arcane said:

And Tommy Doyle finished the game at RT with a fully torn ACL and Van Roten was the center yes

I think we were missing 14 starters by halftime in that game lol ravens were in the same boat against them the week prior 

Edited August 24, 2023 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Matt_In_NH]

The bills have 17

[BillsSbSoon]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Other teams are in on him.  Doubtful they get him.

I’m not so sure about that. Obviously hoping it doesn’t happen. One of the Miami reporters is on twitter saying they’re trying to get it done. 

[Ga boy]

6 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Have to admit, I think it's pretty close.  I disagree with some of your opinions, but that's OK.  I think Bills get the slight nod just due to the importance of the QB position 

Shhh:  Maybe need another season to tell but maybe their coach is better.  Hurts to say that.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Bills need to be the hunters instead of being the hunted

 

-Kirby Smart

[Dr.Sack]

It’s close but I got Buffalo

 

Allen > Tua

McDermott = Close Talker 

Diggs > Hill

Davis < Waddle

Shurfield > WR3 

Cook > RB1 

DK + DK > TE 1 TE2

 

[without a drought]

If it's not obvious,  you're provably paying attention. 

[leonbus23]

6 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

So does all rap music in the last 15 years.

 

6 hours ago, Phils n Bills said:

Nickelback sucks. 

 

What do you get when you put a penny into the butts of each of the five members of the band Smash Mouth? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nickleback

 

Neil Hamburger joke.

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Before I go into this, I want to defend Simms and Florio for a minute. Unlike the talking heads on ESPN and FS1, they don't spout things just for shock or clicks. If you disagree, I encourage you to actually watch PFT every day instead of piling on because it's cool to hate Florio like it's cool to hate Nickelback.

 

With that out of the way, Simms and Florio said on PFT this morning that the Dolphins have a top-3 roster in the NFL and are the best team on paper in the AFC East, supplanting the Bills. Simms said a position-by-position analysis, outside of QB, would be a landslide in favor of the Dolphins.

 

Do you agree? Why or why not? I'll admit that I was slightly puzzled by the comments, because I think I disagree.

 

QB: Bills

 

OL: Bills, right?

 

RB: Tie? I actually like the Bills' room better.

 

WR: Dolphins? They have elite talent, but I think the Bills have better overall depth.

 

TE: Bills

 

DL: Dolphins, but it's close

 

LB: Dolphins

 

CB: Dolphins, probably, if Ramsey is behind included, but it's close again

 

S: Bills?

 

Specialists: Tie?

 

Is that a Dolphins landslide? I don't think so.

In the NFL it’s all about the QB. These ridiculous topics are nothing more than August fodder. Outside of QB, the Broncos and Chargers may have the best rosters in the AFCW.

 

🤦🏻‍♂️

[Captain Hindsight]

7 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I mean, Tua even when healthy down the stretch wasn't that good.  He started off red hot and then cooled.

 

How can you really count on him over 17 games?

 

In his final 4 games....

6/5 TD to INT 

Roughly 50% completion percentage

4 straight losses.

He had a game he went 10-28 or something like that against the chargers