Are the Dolphins obviously better than the Bills?

[Solomon Grundy]

7 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Before I go into this, I want to defend Simms and Florio for a minute. Unlike the talking heads on ESPN and FS1, they don't spout things just for shock or clicks. If you disagree, I encourage you to actually watch PFT every day instead of piling on because it's cool to hate Florio like it's cool to hate Nickelback.

 

With that out of the way, Simms and Florio said on PFT this morning that the Dolphins have a top-3 roster in the NFL and are the best team on paper in the AFC East, supplanting the Bills. Simms said a position-by-position analysis, outside of QB, would be a landslide in favor of the Dolphins.

 

Do you agree? Why or why not? I'll admit that I was slightly puzzled by the comments, because I think I disagree.

 

QB: Bills

 

OL: Bills, right?

 

RB: Tie? I actually like the Bills' room better.

 

WR: Dolphins? They have elite talent, but I think the Bills have better overall depth.

 

TE: Bills

 

DL: Dolphins, but it's close

 

LB: Dolphins

 

CB: Dolphins, probably, if Ramsey is behind included, but it's close again

 

S: Bills?

 

Specialists: Tie?

 

Is that a Dolphins landslide? I don't think so.

If they get Jonathan Taylor then it's a wrap!!! 

[The 9 Isles]

Man……….

 

 

Phuuuuck them. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The Bills offensive line is not good. 

 

More and more is piling on Allen is what I see. 

 

The FO has strained every facet of the cap to keep as much of the 2020-2022 team together.

 

But in the end, only Stefon and Von have been elite players added since the 2020 season, and age is creeping into every facet of the roster. 

 

 

 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, BillsSbSoon said:

I’m not so sure about that. Obviously hoping it doesn’t happen. One of the Miami reporters is on twitter saying they’re trying to get it done. 

 

I'm sure they're trying.  It's not in their hands.

[Airseven]

9 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I think the Dolphins may have better top of the roster talent. However they appear to lack depth at a lot of positions.

 

On the other hand, the Bills may lack that true top end talent outside the obvious guys, however seem to be much deeper in depth to me. 

 

Over the course of a season, injuries happen. Guys miss time. I'll take Buffalo's top 53 over Miami's for a 17 game seasons. I think we have a much better shot at sustaining wins while key players are out (see last year).

True depth means rotational players and backups who can step in and have an impact. I wouldn’t call the Bills deep. They just have lots of mediocre players.

[Lost]

Where do you all rate the the Dolphins vs. Bills in terms of coaching?  

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

It’s close but I got Buffalo

 

Allen > Tua

McDermott = Close Talker 

Diggs > Hill

Davis < Waddle

Shurfield > WR3 

Cook > RB1 

DK + DK > TE 1 TE2

 

I'll wager that the Bills' 'Little People' set is more endearing than the Dolphins', too. 😁

[Gregg]

13 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Most posters here know my stance on the Dolphins, and quite frankly they still might have the best roster in the league even after losing a star player like Ramsey for probably the entire season.

 

With that said I'm still on the fence in terms of picking them to win the division this year because Tua still a big question mark in terms of staying healthy. But if he does they are right up there with the Chiefs and Bengals as the best teams in the league/conference and probably will take the AFCE with little resistance.

 

Tua was on track for an MVP season last year before the injuries and among the top 5 overall QB's in the league.

 

He's not going to wow you like Mahomes or JA17 but he's probably the best pure passer surgical type QB in the league and definitely on a trajectory to be the next Drew Brees. Seems like a good kid and wish him the best despite being on a division rival.

 

I feel bad for him with the injuries as you never want to see anyone get hurt. I don't think Tua will have a long career in the NFL. He had two confirmed concussions last year vs the Bengals and Packers. Probably had one in the first Bills game although they didn't call it a concussion. I think the concussions are going to be an issue for him going forward. 

[Mr. WEO]

here we go again....

 

[GunnerBill]

No. They are obviously worse than the Bills. I honestly think the hype on Miami is waaaay over the top.

 

They have an excellent left tackle but he is rarely healthy.

They have two excellent receivers but I like their #3-#6 less than I like the Bills and the depth of our receivers has been well debated.

The have a good safety and two good (older) corners one of whom is out for half the season and the other of whom is coming off by far the worst year of his career.

They have two good pieces on the Dline in Wilkins and Phillips, but again not much around them.

 

Where else on the roster am I missing all this talent? Their linebackers suck, they have no tight end, their running backs are JAGs, the rest of the oline is trash and their secondary depth players were exposed last year and they have added Eli Apple who doesn't immediately strike me as an answer. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

Where do you all rate the the Dolphins vs. Bills in terms of coaching?  

 

 

This could absolutely be my Bills bias, but I don’t understand why Dolphins and Jets coaches always get so much love. McDaniel, Saleh, Flores, even Gase initially….I don’t get it 

[Gregg]

1 hour ago, Lost said:

Where do you all rate the the Dolphins vs. Bills in terms of coaching?  

 

 

McDaniel is doing a good job so far but its early in his HC career. McDermott has been a great REGULAR SEASON coach, but the playoff failures are getting old. If the Bills fail again in the playoffs this year or worse don't make it then McDermott's job security in Buffalo will come into question. 

[The Jokeman]

30 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

This could absolutely be my Bills bias, but I don’t understand why Dolphins and Jets coaches always get so much love. McDaniel, Saleh, Flores, even Gase initially….I don’t get it 

They're young and came from "successful teams" as everyone wants to think they have the next Sean McVay (see young coach that develop a great offense and win a Super Bowl) within 3 years with the team. 

[uticaclub]

Outside of QB, the Bills just aren’t that strong, so that could do that with a lot of teams. Good thing this is a QB driven league & Josh makes up for many mistakes which will makes us Super Bowl contenders until he leaves Buffalo.

 

As far as Florio hate is concerned, he makes so really good points but also some terrible ones while sitting on his holier than thou pedistal.

Edited August 24, 2023 by uticaclub

[dollars 2 donuts]

19 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Yes, they're better than us. The same way the they were "better" than us last year.  And like like last year I expect we win more games than the "better" team.

 

 

I could kiss you Jauronimo.

 

Not open mouth and not likely on the lips, but more as a sign of respect.  Not like the Italians or French do, but real, respectful good old American kiss, you magnificent bastard.

 

...oh, and your take is pretty good, too.  

 

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by dollars 2 donuts

[Radar]

45 minutes ago, Gregg said:

McDaniel is doing a good job so far but its early in his HC career. McDermott has been a great REGULAR SEASON coach, but the playoff failures are getting old. If the Bills fail again in the playoffs this year or worse don't make it then McDermott's job security in Buffalo will come into question. 

McDermott is not a great coach and not a bad one. Guess average to slightly above.

[Jauronimo]

2 hours ago, Lost said:

Where do you all rate the the Dolphins vs. Bills in terms of coaching?  

 

 

I think McDaniel is a better OC than Dorsey.  I still don't buy him as a head coach.

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

No. They are obviously worse than the Bills. I honestly think the hype on Miami is waaaay over the top.

 

They have an excellent left tackle but he is rarely healthy.

They have two excellent receivers but I like their #3-#6 less than I like the Bills and the depth of our receivers has been well debated.

The have a good safety and two good (older) corners one of whom is out for half the season and the other of whom is coming off by far the worst year of his career.

They have two good pieces on the Dline in Wilkins and Phillips, but again not much around them.

 

Where else on the roster am I missing all this talent? Their linebackers suck, they have no tight end, their running backs are JAGs, the rest of the oline is trash and their secondary depth players were exposed last year and they have added Eli Apple who doesn't immediately strike me as an answer. 

What do you think of this Devon Achane that is getting hyped up in the fantasy community?

[Gregg]

20 minutes ago, Radar said:

McDermott is not a great coach and not a bad one. Guess average to slightly above.

 

Both he and Beane got the organization turned around from being a losing one. He has a very good regular season record but the playoffs suggest he might not be the coach to get us over the hump. So far that has been the case.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

10 hours ago, Airseven said:

True depth means rotational players and backups who can step in and have an impact. I wouldn’t call the Bills deep. They just have lots of mediocre players.

Agree, the bulk of the Bills defensive line is JAGs - Epenesa, Basham, Oliver, Phillips, Settle, Lawson. 

 

DaQuan and Rousseau are going to have carry the line. 

 

From my point of view I don't expect Von and Floyd to play a complete 17-games, they're reaching the point of their careers where whatever they give is a bonus. Pre-ACL Von was on-point. 

 

Bills are paper thin at linebacker behind Milano, a collection of subpar linebackers (Bernard, Dodson, Klein, Spector), with only Williams as an upside player. 

 

To me, depth is okay at corner, and Safety, but is Tre back to what he was? And age surely is starting to catch Hyde and Poyer. Hamlin is a JAG. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

No. They are obviously worse than the Bills. I honestly think the hype on Miami is waaaay over the top.

 

They have an excellent left tackle but he is rarely healthy.

They have two excellent receivers but I like their #3-#6 less than I like the Bills and the depth of our receivers has been well debated.

The have a good safety and two good (older) corners one of whom is out for half the season and the other of whom is coming off by far the worst year of his career.

They have two good pieces on the Dline in Wilkins and Phillips, but again not much around them.

 

Where else on the roster am I missing all this talent? Their linebackers suck, they have no tight end, their running backs are JAGs, the rest of the oline is trash and their secondary depth players were exposed last year and they have added Eli Apple who doesn't immediately strike me as an answer. 

 

Thank you.

[Gregg]

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Agree, the bulk of the Bills defensive line is JAGs - Epenesa, Basham, Oliver, Phillips, Settle, Lawson. 

 

DaQuan and Rousseau are going to have carry the line. 

 

From my point of view I don't expect Von and Floyd to play a complete 17-games, they're reaching the point of their careers where whatever they give is a bonus. Pre-ACL Von was on-point. 

 

Bills are paper thin at linebacker behind Milano, a collection of subpar linebackers (Bernard, Dodson, Klein, Spector), with only Williams as an upside player. 

 

To me, depth is okay at corner, and Safety, but is Tre back to what he was? And age surely is starting to catch Hyde and Poyer. Hamlin is a JAG. 

 

I expect there will be a decent amount of turnover on the roster next offseason. It won't be a rebuild but more of a retool or reload. To many players getting older. I know this is said every year with Beane and the draft, but he really needs to hit a HR next offseason with the draft/FA. The Bills need to get younger and improve the talent specifically at LB and the lines on both sides of the ball. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

What do you think of this Devon Achane that is getting hyped up in the fantasy community?

 

I liked him as a mid-round running back. But it doesn't move the needle a lot for me on the team. 

[GunnerBill]

58 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

On top of a QB who can’t stay healthy…. 

 

Quite. On the Jets I understand and get where the hype comes from. On the Dolphins I really don't see it. I'm not sure they will better than they were last year even.

[FilthyBeast]

Seeing a lot of chatter about Jonathan Taylor possibly landing in Miami. My god if that happens Dolphins will have a legit chance to make a run at 17-0 along with the Chiefs this year.

[FilthyBeast]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Quite. On the Jets I understand and get where the hype comes from. On the Dolphins I really don't see it. I'm not sure they will better than they were last year even.

 

Best roster in the league with stars everywhere, added one of the best DC's in the NFL, top 5 QB, rising young offensive mind HC, etc, etc.

 

Jets similar in some ways but don't believe in Saleh or Rogers magically reverting back to MVP form and just like with the Bills last year, rarely do these hyped up media super teams live up to billing especially come playoff time.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Best roster in the league with stars everywhere, added one of the best DC's in the NFL, top 5 QB, rising young offensive mind HC, etc, etc.

 

Jets similar in some ways but don't believe in Saleh or Rogers magically reverting back to MVP form and just like with the Bills last year, rarely do these hyped up media super teams live up to billing especially come playoff time.

 

The Dolphins??? Best roster in the league? It's the third best roster in the division. Top 5 QB? Come off it. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Best roster in the league with stars everywhere, added one of the best DC's in the NFL, top 5 QB, rising young offensive mind HC, etc, etc.

 

Jets similar in some ways but don't believe in Saleh or Rogers magically reverting back to MVP form and just like with the Bills last year, rarely do these hyped up media super teams live up to billing especially come playoff time.

Oh no, this post is going to go quite badly for you….

 

 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, Gregg said:

 

I expect there will be a decent amount of turnover on the roster next offseason. It won't be a rebuild but more of a retool or reload. To many players getting older. I know this is said every year with Beane and the draft, but he really needs to hit a HR next offseason with the draft/FA. The Bills need to get younger and improve the talent specifically at LB and the lines on both sides of the ball. 

 

Yea.. I think this very well may be the last year here for Hyde, Poyer and Morse. 

 

Then we have a lot of guys on the last year of their deal / one year deal in Gabe, Floyd, Poona, Daquan, Phillips, Settle, AJE, Rapp, Jackson..

 

On top of that, I think something has to be done with the contracts of Taron Johnson, Tre White and Dion Dawkins.  With White and Dawkins, depending on their play this year, I could see them being off the roster in '24 or being extended.

 

The core is still there going into next year with Josh, Diggs, Knox, Kincaid, Torrence, Cook, Von, Rousseau, Oliver and Milano, but yea .. I foresee an interesting off-season whether we win the Super Bowl or not.   Which is why Beane has stockpiled picks and I think we will likely re-sign some guys and have some one year value FA's that come here just like last year. 

[FilthyBeast]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Dolphins??? Best roster in the league? It's the third best roster in the division. Top 5 QB? Come off it. 

 

IMO yes because I'm obviously very familiar with Dolphins since they are a division rival. But many experts and pundits also have them as a clear cut top 5 roster, in some cases not even factoring in QB like Chris Simms ranking:

 

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[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

IMO yes because I'm obviously very familiar with Dolphins since they are a division rival. But many experts and pundits also have them as a clear cut top 5 roster, in some cases not even factoring in QB like Chris Simms ranking:

 

 

 

You didn't understand this exercise

[Heitz]

7 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

IMO yes because I'm obviously very familiar with Dolphins since they are a division rival. But many experts and pundits also have them as a clear cut top 5 roster, in some cases not even factoring in QB like Chris Simms ranking:

 

 

 

Best rosters in the league without factoring in literally the most important player on the team!  I meeeeeeean...

 

 

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

IMO yes because I'm obviously very familiar with Dolphins since they are a division rival. But many experts and pundits also have them as a clear cut top 5 roster, in some cases not even factoring in QB like Chris Simms ranking:

 

 

 

 

Chris Simms is wrong and you are very wrong. 

[SCBills]

What am I missing when people talk about the Dolphins and Jets roster, specifically in comparison to ours?  They are talented, yes, but Top 5 (sans QB) rosters in the NFL?

 

We have OL questions, but given the interior of our line, I'd take ours over either of theirs.

 

Bills WR room is better than the Jets room and behind the Dolphins.

 

Bills have one of the best TE rooms in the NFL.

 

RB's... pretty equal across the board unless Hall comes back without missing a beat, in which case I'd give it to the Jets. 

 

DL's.. All 3 have top tier Defensive Lines.

 

I'll give the Jets the edge over us in terms of LB and CB, but not the Dolphins (minus Ramsey) and even though they’re older, Hyde and Poyer match up with any Safety duo in the league. 
 

Edited August 24, 2023 by SCBills

[Dillenger4]

18 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

If the Bills weren’t all beat up for both games the Bills walk away no contest.

I get that point - but the Phins were beat up too. To the point their QB was out, and the 2nd stringer was out. They had multiple defensive injuries too. Such a lame excuse - it's football.

[78thealltimegreat]

They are NOT better at Dline and at most are even at LB freaking Matt Milano was all pro and their safety duo honestly better than Poyer and Hyde?

[SoMAn]

They play each other in a few weeks. I believe that will give us a better idea than anyone’s opinion. 

[Alphadawg7]

22 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

Before I go into this, I want to defend Simms and Florio for a minute. Unlike the talking heads on ESPN and FS1, they don't spout things just for shock or clicks. If you disagree, I encourage you to actually watch PFT every day instead of piling on because it's cool to hate Florio like it's cool to hate Nickelback.

 

With that out of the way, Simms and Florio said on PFT this morning that the Dolphins have a top-3 roster in the NFL and are the best team on paper in the AFC East, supplanting the Bills. Simms said a position-by-position analysis, outside of QB, would be a landslide in favor of the Dolphins.

 

Do you agree? Why or why not? I'll admit that I was slightly puzzled by the comments, because I think I disagree.

 

QB: Bills

 

OL: Bills, right?

 

RB: Tie? I actually like the Bills' room better.

 

WR: Dolphins? They have elite talent, but I think the Bills have better overall depth.

 

TE: Bills

 

DL: Dolphins, but it's close

 

LB: Dolphins

 

CB: Dolphins, probably, if Ramsey is behind included, but it's close again

 

S: Bills?

 

Specialists: Tie?

 

Is that a Dolphins landslide? I don't think so.

 

This is pretty right, but without Ramsey, I think the Bills have the slightly better overall CB group, we are just deeper than them.  With a healthy Ramsey I think its fair to say Dolphins.

 

I do think the better roster even without factoring in the QB's is the Bills, and its not close if you add in QB's because Allen is a lot better than Tua.  But the roster in Miami is still also still good overall, but their OL is a mess and they have a QB who gets a concussion when he gets a papercut.  So without those two criticial areas improved they will not be a better football team than the Bills IMO.  I mean they are the 3rd best roster just in our own division.

 

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Quite. On the Jets I understand and get where the hype comes from. On the Dolphins I really don't see it. I'm not sure they will better than they were last year even.

 

Jets hype is legit...that D is no joke and they got the weapons on offense as well.  Biggest achilles heal is the OL.  Ive seen Rodgers play on some good teams with bad OL's and it held those teams back, so hoping that repeats itself some here because they to me are a real threat if not.  Dolphins not so much.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Dopey]

Miami has improved ,but still behind us. It’s a long season and we are the deeper team. Injuries will happen. The way they jump us is a Josh injury. My bigger gripe is the NFL Network has SF ahead of us in power rankings. They have maybe 3 average qbs on that roster. Fluke season aside(Tampa with Brad Johnson and a couple more examples), SF will not make to the SB, much less win a SB with that QB situation. JMO. 

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Chris Simms is wrong and you are very wrong. 

 

Not just Simms, Dolphins high on a lot of experts lists and consensus top 5 roster across the board.

 

In fact don't be surprised if the Bills and other teams are lining up to claim players they release on cut down day. Would make a lot of sense too for getting valuable intel as well as valuable depth because of how loaded they are at most positions.