Brandon Shell Reportedly Intends to Retire

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Good points and I agree. We must also remember that the entire NFL is short on quality depth at O-Line positions in general. There's not a ton coming up through the pipelines in college football.

 

Certainly agree with this. 

 

If Torrence can win the RG spot, I have to think Ryan Bates is one of the best OL6 in the NFL.  Most teams don't have anyone as good as him off the bench and most teams don't have much at tackle depth if their starter goes down.  

 

What is frustrating to me though.. back to back years draft RD3 RB's... then back to back years drafting RD3 LB's.. If OL depth is such a struggle, I just wish we would have prioritized it a bit more in recent years.  

 

Taking Torrence is a start though.. 

[NewEra]

59 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Regardless of this development, I'm still very uncomfortable with this oline as a whole.

 

With that said, won't be surprised if Beane tries making a power move for another proven veteran since he some chips available to play with (i.e. defensive line depth).

I thought you got hit by a bus?  
 

Didn’t someone say that?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Sitting here at my desk hating my job, can’t blame him.

 

Hopefully Brown is awesome. If he’s not then hopefully one of Quessenberry, Doyle, or Gouraige can step in admirably.

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Certainly agree with this. 

 

If Torrence can win the RG spot, I have to think Ryan Bates is one of the best OL6 in the NFL.  Most teams don't have anyone as good as him off the bench and most teams don't have much at tackle depth if their starter goes down.  

 

What is frustrating to me though.. back to back years draft RD3 RB's... then back to back years drafting RD3 LB's.. If OL depth is such a struggle, I just wish we would have prioritized it a bit more in recent years.  

 

Taking Torrence is a start though.. 

Yep.. and much like with mister Mahomes, Josh and the offense would be near unstoppable (its close already w/o) with a top 10 OL. I can only imagine how unfair it would look out there.

[Airseven]

59 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

Regardless of this development, I'm still very uncomfortable with this oline as a whole.

 

With that said, won't be surprised if Beane tries making a power move for another proven veteran since he some chips available to play with (i.e. defensive line depth).

Who from the supposed DL depth pool is going to fetch a proven OL? Basham? No. This ship has sailed. Beane’s sole addition to OT retired after the first preseason game. It’s quite remarkable they’re still in this position at OL.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Certainly agree with this. 

 

If Torrence can win the RG spot, I have to think Ryan Bates is one of the best OL6 in the NFL.  Most teams don't have anyone as good as him off the bench and most teams don't have much at tackle depth if their starter goes down.  

 

What is frustrating to me though.. back to back years draft RD3 RB's... then back to back years drafting RD3 LB's.. If OL depth is such a struggle, I just wish we would have prioritized it a bit more in recent years.  

 

Taking Torrence is a start though.. 

Bates and Edwards would be one of the best interior depth in NFL.

 

Doyle and Quessenberry is probably below average OT depth at OT. Doyle is very unknown at this point but a very athletic OT.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Who from the supposed DL depth pool is going to fetch a proven OL? Basham? No. This ship has sailed. Beane’s sole addition to OT retired after the first preseason game. It’s quite remarkable they’re still in this position at OL.

 

Everyone says Basham, but I'm not sure what we plan on doing next year with no cap space and only Von, Ed and Rousseau under contract if Boogie is traded.

 

AJE would have legitimate trade value.. nothing crazy, but probably enough to swing a player for player trade or an early Day 3 pick.  I know the staff is high on him, but I'd be tempted to move him for a swing tackle before Basham.  

[FilthyBeast]

19 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Who from the supposed DL depth pool is going to fetch a proven OL? Basham? No. This ship has sailed. Beane’s sole addition to OT retired after the first preseason game. It’s quite remarkable they’re still in this position at OL.

 

I would honestly keep Basham, if anything get rid of Epenesa.

 

But to be frank this so called depth probably isn't as good as some think, not like we are sitting on a bunch of 8 -10 sack a season guys especially in this scheme.

[GunnerBill]

Not shocked. Looked a bit to me like he was going through the motions on Sat. Was right on the roster bubble. If your heart isn't in it then no need to out yourself through any more.

[finn]

If Spencer Brown goes down, we're in trouble. If Spencer Brown doesn't go down, we're in trouble. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, RichRiderBills said:

That's lousy. I thought he may play a big part in a plan B for Brown. 

 

 

So did I...oh well an already mediocre OL just got a little more comprimised . 

6 minutes ago, finn said:

If Spencer Brown goes down, we're in trouble. If Spencer Brown doesn't go down, we're in trouble. 

Ya think

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Oh Beane…

Trolls gonna troll… 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, finn said:

If Spencer Brown goes down, we're in trouble. If Spencer Brown doesn't go down, we're in trouble. 

Has Spencer Brown ever started in the NFL? Josh Allen would probably get sacked the most in the NFL if Brown starts. Our offense wouldn’t finish top 10 with Brown at RT, definitely wouldn’t sniff top 3.

[John from Riverside]

39 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I thought you got hit by a bus?  
 

Didn’t someone say that?

I may, or may not have started that rumor

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Has Spencer Brown ever started in the NFL? Josh Allen would probably get sacked the most in the NFL if Brown starts. Our offense wouldn’t finish top 10 with Brown at RT, definitely wouldn’t sniff top 3.

He started his rookie season

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Edwards looked good Saturday…. Interested to see if that continues. 

The thing is beats, can also play tackle

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

This seems to be repeated everywhere as if to excuse Beane…. As if it’s impossible to build a good offensive line in today’s NFL….meanwhile the Bills Achilles heel the past three seasons(Chiefs) did it in one offseason..…. You can do it if you invest and don’t half ass it to prioritize other(namely defense) positions…. McBeane finally did more there this past offseason though not sure they did enough. 

Its repeated nationally, by many tuned into the game in its current state, because its true.

 

Aside to that, that's what my discussion with SC was about... Hoping for improvement in the Bills Starting O-line, while realizing that depth is not always possible.

 

The "excuse Beane" part of the discussion is a childish approach that I don't really try to get involved with.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I may, or may not have started that rumor

He started his rookie season

I just looked and it turns out Brown has started the last 2 years. Go figure. The way people talk about him I thought he would ruin the entire season.

[Rigotz]

I'll come back and post in a little while...

 

For now, I'm just a little Shell shocked.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Huh? I mean Quess was arguably better in pass protection just last season than Brown…. The issue is it’s questionable if they’ve even had a quality RT to begin with….

And Quessenberry is the one that whiffed getting Allen hurt.

 

The one positive with Brown is he can improve. Unbelievable size and athleticism combination. And entering his 2nd season he couldn’t train.

[Don Otreply]

51 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Good points and I agree. We must also remember that the entire NFL is short on quality depth at O-Line positions in general. There's not a ton coming up through the pipelines in college football.

Yup, the  college ranks ARE NOT pumping out quality O-lineman at the decades long demand that the NFL needs. It appears college teams aren’t particularly interested in coaching up O line guys for the pro game…

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Sometimes fans have to trust development. We always want the finished product now!

[Irv]

The O-Line.  Quite a shell game.  

[Coach Tuesday]

He Shell be released.

[benderbender]

This thread is so pun-y the writers at Bob’s Burgers fainted

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

Regardless of this development, I'm still very uncomfortable with this oline as a whole.

 

With that said, won't be surprised if Beane tries making a power move for another proven veteran since he some chips available to play with (i.e. defensive line depth).

I hope you mean tackle depth because it would be inexplicable for you to be concerned about the interior. The Bills have one of the deepest, best interior groups in the NFL with three quality starters and two starting-caliber backups.

[BillsShredder83]

25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just looked and it turns out Brown has started the last 2 years. Go figure. The way people talk about him I thought he would ruin the entire season.

im puzzled how someone with 14k posts even asked this honestly

[Chandler#81]

Brandon, we hardly knew ye

[Logic]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Welp, there's one tackle down. Likely the corresponding move to Matakevich coming off PUP

 

 

Off-topic, but seeing that injury report...

I think the Bills absolutely signed Damien Harris with the intention to have him be the direct backup to Cook and to get the most playing time at the position behind him.

With that said, his continued health struggles -- a career-long trend for him -- and an impressive summer for Latavius Murray have me wondering if it will actually be Murray that winds up #2 on the depth chart, not Harris. 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by Logic

[WhoTom]

17 minutes ago, benderbender said:

This thread is so pun-y the writers at Bob’s Burgers fainted

 

"Today's special: A Shell of a Burger - served with a side of clams."

[NI Bills Fan]

That's a shame. Whilst he wasnt likely to make a big impact, losing solid backup for a position where the starter is of questionable quality is a blow.

 

So what way does this impact the salary cap? Is our available cap now increased to the tune of his annual salary? Or a portion of it?

[Bills!Win!]

He made it longer than Anquan Boldin 

[Punching Bag]

46 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Trolls gonna troll… 

 

47 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

This seems to be repeated everywhere as if to excuse Beane…. As if it’s impossible to build a good offensive line in today’s NFL….meanwhile the Bills Achilles heel the past three seasons(Chiefs) did it in one offseason..…. You can do it if you invest and don’t half ass it to prioritize other(namely defense) positions…. McBeane finally did more there this past offseason though not sure they did enough. 

Agree on trolls.

[BuffaloBillyG]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

Off-topic, but seeing that injury report...

I think the Bills absolutely signed Damien Harris with the intention to have him be the direct backup to Cook and to get the most playing time at the position behind him.

With that said, his continued health struggles -- a career-long trend for him -- and an impressive summer for Latavius Murray have me wondering if it will actually be Murray that winds up #2 on the depth chart, not Harris. 

 

I said the same in another thread. I think this opens the door for Murray to end up #2. He's flashed a lot in camp when given the chance from what I have read.

 

That said, the question becomes...if Mims or Evans play well enough that you don't want to expose one of them to waivers and Harris is showing knee soreness already...does this open the door for him to be a surprise camp cut? I think it's unlikely, yet possible.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

50 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

im puzzled how someone with 14k posts even asked this honestly

It’s called sarcasm. People saying we’re doomed if Brown starts. He’s been starting the last two years.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[HIT BY SPIKES]

TRUST THE PROCESS

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, the  college ranks ARE NOT pumping out quality O-lineman at the decades long demand that the NFL needs. It appears college teams aren’t particularly interested in coaching up O line guys for the pro game…

 

Then the NFL needs to adapt their OL prototypes. Just like they did after dealing with 20 years of almost zero great QBs coming out. The NFL adapted and accepted the less traditional, more mobile, running QBs and now we have a whole new base of young star QBs. And the League is the most exciting and interesting it's been since the 90s.

[DapperCam]

I wonder what his reason was. This is a ding to depth for sure, but it's possible he would have landed on the practice squad anyway.

[oldmanfan]

I think the Gouriage kid has a ton of potential.  And a healthier Brown will be fine.

[Warriorspikes51]

Clearly the Jets want him back and this is how they get him! 

Try Gouraige at RT please

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m trolling because Beane has sucked at building a quality line for Allen? OK

There’s been years the Bills OL has graded above average, around top 10. Last year was definitely one of their worst as a unit. Looks like both OG’s will be different, one being the top pure OG in the draft. 
 

We’ll see. I guess it comes back to Spencer Brown. They love his potential. It would’ve been amazing to come out of the draft with Torrance and Dawand Jones.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede