hondo in seattle Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 thats a decent list imo unfortunately the difference between 10-20 is not that big 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I'd be ok with 8 like it or Knox 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 It seemed the Vikings were forcing the ball to Hockenson to convince themselves they won the trade. 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 I think he's better than engram but otherwise spot on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Hells yeah, and Kincaid will be #2 or 1 after this year Edited July 13, 2023 by Prospector 1 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) Why did I think engram was with the jags And it still has waller with the raiders. What's going on here Edited July 13, 2023 by arcane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Waller might be washed. There aren’t that many really good TEs right now. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I’d take knox over engram 💯 23 minutes ago, arcane said: Why did I think engram was with the jags And it still has waller with the raiders. What's going on here He is with the jags 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 QB throwing ball to TE factors into list. Move Dawson Knox to somewhere else, say New England, and his rating goes down. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Kittle over Andrews is tough for me. I give the nod to Andrews just based on health alone. I can't overall argue with the top 3 players. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 Does even Dawson believe this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, arcane said: Why did I think engram was with the jags And it still has waller with the raiders. What's going on here Waller is with the Giants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Hopefully Dalton cracks that top 10 list also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I feel better now 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I feel better now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Hopefully Dalton cracks that top 10 list also. Top 3 list Inc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 (edited) 10th isnt bad, in my opinion. He may be a couple of positions higher, as this list is subjective. Waller can't stay healthy, so I don't put much stock in him being on the list at all. There will be a few risers this year as well. I talked about it in another thread, but keep your eye on Chigoziem Okonkwo in Tennessee. He is crazy talented! Edited July 13, 2023 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 I'd challenge you to name #11😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, arcane said: Why did I think engram was with the jags And it still has waller with the raiders. What's going on here Engram got traded to Jax last year. Or signed as a FA and had his best year yet Waller was traded to Giants this year As Beane likes to say, regarding Knox, he is a TD maker for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: thats a decent list imo unfortunately the difference between 10-20 is not that big And I don’t see the difference between 6 and 10 that great either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 Another interesting list https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/06/02/top-10-tight-ends-season-league-kelce-kittle#gid=ci02c0b8d590002755&pid=10 Travis Kelce, Chiefs George Kittle, 49ers Mark Andrews, Ravens Darren Waller, Giants Dallas Goedert, Eagles T.J. Hockenson, Vikings Kyle Pitts, Falcons Dalton Schultz, Texans Pat Freiermuth, Steelers David Njoku, Browns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Engram got traded to Jax last year. Or signed as a FA and had his best year yet Waller was traded to Giants this year As Beane likes to say, regarding Knox, he is a TD maker for sure. Knox is pretty good and solid. He is getting paid a lot so that kind of makes many think he should be more productive. Last year was pretty hard to gauge. He was either kind of bad or non existent to very good. I remember him getting very few targets early on and then went ob a nice TD catching spree. I think many of the issues might have been coaching, schemes, etc.. Edited July 14, 2023 by newcam2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, boyst said: Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? There's not a ton of daylight between Knox and Hunter Henry tbh 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Knox has top 5 talent. Team just lacks the commitment to use him. Hopefully Dorsey evolves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 1 hour ago, newcam2012 said: Knox is pretty good and solid. He is getting paid a lot so that kind of makes many think he should be more productive. Last year was pretty hard to gauge. He was either kind of bad or non existent to very good. I remember him getting very few targets early on and then went ob a nice TD catching spree. I think many of the issues might have been coaching, schemes, etc.. Ya he started slow, came on very strong. He had a 5-6 game consecutive TD streak... I have a theory that they were very worried about Browns injury the first few weeks and had Knox blocking way more and once they felt more comfy with Brown , Knox became a major weapon in the pass game 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 I'd put him above Hock, Friermuth and Engram. Maybe Waller if he's washed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Doc said: I'd put him above Hock, Friermuth and Engram. Maybe Waller if he's washed up. Why are people saying Waller is washed up? He is severely injury prone no doubt. He suffered a grade 2 thigh/hamstring injury and missed basically the whole season. I'm no doctor but I would think that's plenty of time to recover. I don't get the washed up talk. Is Von washed up? Edited July 14, 2023 by newcam2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 We really need to be running 12 personnel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 He'd be higher on the list, maybe even top 5, if our O-line played better and he wasn't needed to stay in and block. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 He can hang with Freiermuth and Engram, I'm cool with it. Might even bump him up to 9. Trying to think if they missed anybody but this is pretty accurate. I don't know if I'm completely buying that Goedert is one of the best in the league, or perhaps the position has dipped in quality a bit compared to even 5-10 years ago. 4 hours ago, boyst said: Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? Njoku thrived a bit as Baker's outlet and seemed to have a knack for big plays but it feels like people have been waiting for him to arrive for 6 years now. He's almost identical statistically to Knox except Dawson has a much better nose for the endzone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nelius said: He can hang with Freiermuth and Engram, I'm cool with it. Might even bump him up to 9. Trying to think if they missed anybody but this is pretty accurate. I don't know if I'm completely buying that Goedert is one of the best in the league, or perhaps the position has dipped in quality a bit compared to even 5-10 years ago. Njoku thrived a bit as Baker's outlet and seemed to have a knack for big plays but it feels like people have been waiting for him to arrive for 6 years now. He's almost identical statistically to Knox except Dawson has a much better nose for the endzone. Goedert is really good imo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerdMentality Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Knox has top 5 talent. Team just lacks the commitment to use him. Hopefully Dorsey evolves. And we won’t be using him ( or Davis, or Shakir, or Kincaid)… if Diggs is going to hold our offence hostage. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 After the top 3 it’s debatable. Knox would be too 4 easy if he didn’t have drops. Kincaid will be the best after this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 10 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: ESPN polled a bunch of execs, coaches, and players and came up with this Top Ten list for TEs: 1. Travis Kelce – Kansas City Chiefs 2. George Kittle – San Francisco 49ers 3. Mark Andrews – Baltimore Ravens 4. Dallas Goedert – Philadelphia Eagles 5. Darren Waller – Las Vegas Raiders 6. T.J. Hockenson – Minnesota Vikings 7. Kyle Pitts – Atlanta Falcons 8. Evan Engram – New York Giants 9. Pat Freiermuth – Pittsburgh Steelers 10. Dawson Knox – Buffalo Bills I'm just a bit surprised to see Dawson squeak into the top ten. www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/best-tight-ends-in-nfl-ranked-by-executives-players-scouts-and-coaches-full-list-here/ar-AA1dOmSj?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5c96caba93df4f4999185e02244fd04c&ei=38 I'd have him above Engram and Friermuth personally. But as a top goes that is a good list. The reason more people don't think Dawson Knox is a top 10 tight end is much more about the Bills than it is about Dawson Knox. 8 hours ago, boyst said: Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? Njoku is better. So is probably another 3-4 I could spend a few minutes thinking about. Maybe fent? Njoku is a more talented receiver. He can't block for toffee. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Does even Dawson believe this? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 Where would Gabe Davis ranked for WR2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 6 hours ago, newcam2012 said: Why are people saying Waller is washed up? He is severely injury prone no doubt. He suffered a grade 2 thigh/hamstring injury and missed basically the whole season. I'm no doctor but I would think that's plenty of time to recover. I don't get the washed up talk. Is Von washed up? My guess is it is because he hasn't been properly healthy for two seasons now. He was constantly nicked up in 2021 and then the 2022 injury he was "1 week away" for about 5 weeks and then even when he did get back on the field at the end of the year was not moving anything like smoothly. I am open to the idea that a change if scenary, fresh S&C regime, and a good offseason and you could see the old Darren Waller again. But I also think it is possible his body is just breaking down and he has another injury hit year. 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Where would Gabe Davis ranked for WR2? Bottom 3rd for sure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 14, 2023 Share Posted July 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Bottom 3rd for sure. I have him in the 12-15 range WR2. There’s only about 12 WR2’s I would definitely swap out for Gabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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