Bills sign a CB, release a CB (now the title is grammatically correct)

[TheyCallMeAndy]

He gave up 78% completions, 9.9 YPC, 111 QBR last year.

 

Positives he missed 3 tackles. 
 

2021 54%, 8.7, 74.7 QBR

2020 63%, 11.7, 92.8 QBR

 

Low missed tackles every year. Pretty inconsistent year to year coverage wise. 
 

2022 version doesn’t make this team, but 2021 version could start. 
 

His size, strengths, weaknesses, and combine measurements have safety written all over them.

Edited June 7, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy

[phypon]

That's an much better title!  

[BruceVilanch]

Hold me closer Cameron Dantzler 

[transient]

1 hour ago, Prospector said:

Please let him be competition for Lewis, that guy is lost even when he is doing his assignment. There has rarely been a player that I notice over and over again at being horrible. It jumps off the screen at how bad at football he is.

 

59 minutes ago, finn said:

Agree. Unless he's doing quiet things away from the ball that keeps the QB from throwing his direction. Every time he appears onscreen, he's blowing the coverage. Just good enough to make it close, but I don't recall any wins from him. And yet, they keep bringing him back. 

He made the single most stupid and costly play of the whole season against the Vikings by going for a pick on 4th and forever on a ball that, if not for him suspending it in the air, Jefferson had no chance at catching. That situationally oblivious play cost them a bye in the playoffs. He should have been cut that day. 

[Bobby Hooks]

2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

They are not at all satisfied with CB2

If the Bills brought in another qb for camp would we just assume Josh Allen isn’t looking good? No dude, it’s depth. Good teams need it. Heck, all teams need it. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

But can he core a apple? 🤔

[Stevie Ray]

17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

But can he core a apple? 🤔

ohhhh he can core a apple. zip zip.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, finn said:

Agree. Unless he's doing quiet things away from the ball that keeps the QB from throwing his direction. Every time he appears onscreen, he's blowing the coverage. Just good enough to make it close, but I don't recall any wins from him. And yet, they keep bringing him back. 

 

He's a PS level, former UDFA, who has lasted 4 years in the league and started 4 times inbetween bouncing on and off the active roster. When a guy like that starts you are not in trouble because that guy starts so much as you are in trouble because of who is not starting. The Bills never put him out there through pure choice. It was always injury related. 

[Special K]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He gave up 78% completions, 9.9 YPC, 111 QBR last year.

 

Positives he missed 3 tackles. 
 

2021 54%, 8.7, 74.7 QBR

2020 63%, 11.7, 92.8 QBR

 

Low missed tackles every year. Pretty inconsistent year to year coverage wise. 
 

2022 version doesn’t make this team, but 2021 version could start. 
 

His size, strengths, weaknesses, and combine measurements have safety written all over them.

 

I was just going to post the question if this guy could project to Safety in the future.....gotta start preparing for the eventual decline of Poyer/Hyde in a few years.

[MrEpsYtown]

Good fit for what they do. Interesting depth add. I remember there was someone in that college program connected to McDermott. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

Good fit for what they do. Interesting depth add. I remember there was someone in that college program connected to McDermott. 

 

When they passed on him in that 3rd round in favour of Moss my immediate thought was length, because as you say there were lots of dots to connect the Bills to him and his style of play is a fit. But for a guy 6ft2 he has short arms - sub 31". We know how much the Bills value arm length as a trait in their corners. Later that night however Beane gushed about Zack Moss and said he had to sit on his hands to avoid trading UP to pick him (imagine how 🤢 that would have been). So maybe that was not a significant factor, and interesting that they have brought him in. Do we know what he signed for in Washington? Odd that all he could get on the open market is bare vet minimum and if the Commanders gave him more than that then why did they cut him so quickly?

[Paup 1995MVP]

3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yeah. I don't know if that's what this is. They upgraded CB7 by swapping McMichael for Dantzler - now he's competing for a chance at the 53 man roster. 

 

Camreon Dantzler is competing with Siran Neal, Cam Lewis, Alex Austin and Ja'Marcus Ingram. He's not competing with Kaiir Elam. 

 

STARTERS

 

Tre White

Kaiir Elam

Taron Johnson

 

BACKUPS

 

Christian Benford

Dane Jackson

Everyone is competing with everyone at CB.  I don't think you can even say that Tre White is a lock to be starting, if he is still playing like he did at the end of last season.  (hopefully he is close to his old form this year)  The best guys should make the final roster and see the field at every position.  It should not matter where they are drafted.  

[Patrick Duffy]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When they passed on him in that 3rd round in favour of Moss my immediate thought was length, because as you say there were lots of dots to connect the Bills to him and his style of play is a fit. But for a guy 6ft2 he has short arms - sub 31". We know how much the Bills value arm length as a trait in their corners. Later that night however Beane gushed about Zack Moss and said he had to sit on his hands to avoid trading UP to pick him (imagine how 🤢 that would have been). So maybe that was not a significant factor, and interesting that they have brought him in. Do we know what he signed for in Washington? Odd that all he could get on the open market is bare vet minimum and if the Commanders gave him more than that then why did they cut him so quickly?

 

Maybe their 1st round pick CB Forbes may have a little to do with cutting him? 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, phypon said:

That's an much better title!  

You do realize that you….nevermind. 😉

[ddaryl]

1 hour ago, BruceVilanch said:

Hold me closer Cameron Dantzler 

 

4 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

Tiny Dantzler. Great song

Personally I was thinking 

 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Maybe their 1st round pick CB Forbes may have a little to do with cutting him? 

 

Possible.

[babulator]

Former high pick with a chip... Zone guy in a zone defense. I bet he sticks as depth, and has a solid season in rotation. I like this signing.

 

McD knows DB's and seems to get the most out of these types of guys. +1

[Freddie's Dead]

Who?  And who?

[hondo in seattle]

Started his career well and then fell off a cliff.  Had some injury issues as well as an unspecified personal issue which caused him to miss time with the Vikes.  Once upon a time, they were excited about him in Minnesota.  But he fell from CB1 to CB6 and was eventually waived.  The Commanders then recently gave him a look but cut him after just two months. 

 

It's not a good career trajectory.  Hopefully, he can reverse things with us though I'm not sure I'm optimistic.  

 

 

vikingsterritory.com/2021/general-news/cameron-dantzlers-fall-from-grace-is-mind-boggling

 

www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/surprising-fall-cameron-dantzler-cornerback-future-vikings-49ers-scratch

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by hondo in seattle

[wppete]

19 minutes ago, babulator said:

Former high pick with a chip... Zone guy in a zone defense. I bet he sticks as depth, and has a solid season in rotation. I like this signing.

 

McD knows DB's and seems to get the most out of these types of guys. +1

Agree with this. He looks good on Zone and is tall and long. Fits Mcds system… hope he sticks as #4 CB and then we love Benford to Safety. Benford can be a very good safety in the league. 

[JDubya76]

5 hours ago, OZBILLS said:

Tiny Dantzler. Great song

I thought he dances for money, oh wait it was the military guy Pvt Dantzler.

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Everyone is competing with everyone at CB.  I don't think you can even say that Tre White is a lock to be starting, if he is still playing like he did at the end of last season.  (hopefully he is close to his old form this year)  The best guys should make the final roster and see the field at every position.  It should not matter where they are drafted.  

Fair. White was a shell of himself when he returned. Elam was benched or starting on any given Sunday. It’s become clear Jackson isn’t fit for a featured role. Upside signings like this can only benefit the roster at this point.

[Dablitzkrieg]

5 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yeah. I don't know if that's what this is. They upgraded CB7 by swapping McMichael for Dantzler - now he's competing for a chance at the 53 man roster. 

 

Camreon Dantzler is competing with Siran Neal, Cam Lewis, Alex Austin and Ja'Marcus Ingram. He's not competing with Kaiir Elam. 

 

STARTERS

 

Tre White

Kaiir Elam

Taron Johnson

 

BACKUPS

 

Christian Benford

Dane Jackson

Based on what they are saying on practice performance, it doesn't seem like Elam is a lock to start.  He is imo the best out of everyone not named Tre. 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Dablitzkrieg

[Patrick Duffy]

6 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Fair. White was a shell of himself when he returned. Elam was benched or starting on any given Sunday. It’s become clear Jackson isn’t fit for a featured role. Upside signings like this can only benefit the roster at this point.

 

Yeah he got pulled around somewhere about mid season or so I think it may have been, but I don't know how you felt about him toward last of season, to me he looked as if he improved quite well 

[BigAl2526]

6 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

They are not at all satisfied with CB2

I don't think they expect Dantzler to win a starting job.  If he does, the Bills' CBs as a group are a lot worse than I think they are.

[wppete]

Excellent breakdown of Danzler by Cover1 guys. 
 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Who?  And who?

I don't know you from Adam, but reading your answer, it's playing in my head in an outraged Jackie Chiles voice.

[Virgil]

There was talk today from a reported who said they think McD is going to try to run more formations with only one LB and an extra S or DB.  That might make sense and I'm honestly better with that than musical chairs at MLB.  

 

While this might open us up against the run game, we've spend so much damn draft capital and FA money on the DL, that they better be able to hold their own a little.  And honestly, I think a SS (Rapp/Poyer) can tackle as well as Edmunds "please push me back 5 yards".  

1 hour ago, Patrick Duffy said:

 

Yeah he got pulled around somewhere about mid season or so I think it may have been, but I don't know how you felt about him toward last of season, to me he looked as if he improved quite well 

 

Yeah, it seemed like Elam solidified moreso by the end of the season.  Benford is the real question mark to me, as in where they will play him this season.  

 

Also, please never change your avatar

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

Excellent breakdown of Danzler by Cover1 guys. 
 

 

The kid shows some talent, granted it’s a highlight reel, the question is will he be used to his strengths, I’m not certain Elam was used to his strengths, even with his three interceptions in his rookie year, I don’t think he was on the field as much as he should have been, jmo. Good signing by Beane, competition is always good. 

[John from Riverside]

53 minutes ago, Virgil said:

There was talk today from a reported who said they think McD is going to try to run more formations with only one LB and an extra S or DB.  That might make sense and I'm honestly better with that than musical chairs at MLB.  

 

While this might open us up against the run game, we've spend so much damn draft capital and FA money on the DL, that they better be able to hold their own a little.  And honestly, I think a SS (Rapp/Poyer) can tackle as well as Edmunds "please push me back 5 yards".  

 

Yeah, it seemed like Elam solidified moreso by the end of the season.  Benford is the real question mark to me, as in where they will play him this season.  

 

Also, please never change your avatar

I think I just took Elam a while because he is so used to being oppressed man corner and is switching over to a zone

 

It never hurts to keep putting talent in the room

[Maine-iac]

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Maine-iac

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Yeah, it seemed like Elam solidified moreso by the end of the season.  Benford is the real question mark to me, as in where they will play him this season.  

 

Also, please never change your avatar

 

Agree with you regarding Elam, as for Benford I think he will play in the same way he was. I don't see him getting moved unless it's an absolute emergency and not much choice. He had an encouraging rookie year and is learning the position still. I just think they wouldn't put him somewhere else this early that he has to learn until seeing more of what he can do in the position he's at.

 

And I don't plan on changing the avatar lol

[Rocky Landing]

15 hours ago, boyst said:

Cameron Dantzler tweets out frustration over playing time - SI

interesting.

Hope they don't put his locker too close to Diggs!

[BuffaloFan68]

A little upgrade here, a little upgrade there, and BOOM, before you know it - Super Bowl victory.  Now Beane needs to find a way to sign D-Hop!

Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!

[Warriorspikes51]

White
Elam

Taron

Dantzler
Benford

Jackson
Austin
Neal

How many CB's are we keeping? Usually 6? 

Edited June 8, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Manther]

On 6/7/2023 at 9:08 AM, KingBoots8 said:

I like this signing. He played pretty well and was a 3rd round pick for the Vikings. Started 26/35 games, so he has good experience. He certainly had a shot to crack the 53 

Wowsers, sounds promising and at least kicking the can to see what is inside!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, BuffaloFan68 said:

A little upgrade here, a little upgrade there, and BOOM, before you know it - Super Bowl victory.  Now Beane needs to find a way to sign D-Hop!

Let's Go Buffalo!!!!!

Edited June 8, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013
90% won't know these two...😕

[Rocky Landing]

3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

White
Elam

Taron

Dantzler
Benford

Jackson
Austin
Neal

How many CB's are we keeping? Usually 6? 

With our base nickel,  Neal's role on ST after Taiwan Jones, and the rumor of McDermott running single LB formations, I could well imagine seven DBs this season.

[DCofNC]

I’m surprised to see a guy with this much starting experience and with pretty high quality tape out there at this point on the cheap.  This could be a really good addition.  Maybe there’s something we aren’t aware of, but looks like a great signing on the surface.

[birdo67]

On 6/7/2023 at 6:28 AM, wppete said:

I like this signing. Plays similar to Levi Wallace. Hopefully this workouts out as our #4 CB  and Cristian Benford moves to Safety and Nickle CB backup. We now have 4 solid Safetys if this happens. 
 

 

Levi Wallace don't like to get f*cked by anybody but Mrs. Wallace.