PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: It's common knowledge the inner workings of the Bills? i'd say its the complete opposite. They keep a very tight lip ship. Its common knowledge that they collaborate together... one does not make decisions without others approval and we have an analytics team and other recourses for this exact reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Augie said: I love this, if just for the entertainment value on the Board! It should be priceless!!! One for the ages, even! 😋 I've been reading lately about record page number threads . All in all even those are informative and not all boohooing. The long threads do produce a lot angst though. It's palpable. And for some of we sickos we find it funny Im going to look for a weeping and gnashing of teeth emoji. It'll save me keystrokes lol Edited June 3, 2023 by muppy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Pretty sure @GunnerBill predicting this possibility months ago. He's probably in a pub somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: Its common knowledge that they collaborate together... one does not make decisions without others approval and we have an analytics team and other recourses for this exact reason. That's not common knowledge and you have zero proof of it lol. You're just making it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Someone call orchard park PD, Ed Oliver is stealing money 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Man Gabe Davis has stiff competition for TBD whipping boy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) It's a genuis move if he takes the next step. He did look much better with Von out there. If he has a big year this'll be a steal of a contract like Milano He certainly has the potential Edited June 3, 2023 by JerseyBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Dr. Who said: Pretty sure @GunnerBill predicting this possibility months ago. He's probably in a pub somewhere. She responded earlier in the thread and said "great". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Billsfan4588 said: Color me confused. I'd understand if it was a discount, but that's top dollar. Inflation! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, CaliBills said: Bunch of teenagers in here acting like its the end of the world LOL The one I loved the most was in a reply to one of the tweets I saw about the deal. "calling it now, 7-9 this season" Love how a player signing an extension both reduced their win total by 6 but also reduced the number of games that they will play this season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Pretty sure @GunnerBill predicting this possibility months ago. He's probably in a pub somewhere. Ha. I have been at a comedy gig. But I have been telling people since January and certainly since they didn't trade him before FA that the most likely outcome was an extension. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 32 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Just because a player is the 12th best player at his position in the league (which is debatable IMO) doesn't mean you have to pay him that way. We let Edmunds walk for similar reasons. This devotes even more future cap space to the DL after a tremendous over-investment in that group over the past few years, which gives us less flexibility to pay game changing players around Allen. I can't find any logic for this extension. It is totally unnecessary IMO and in fact it may lead to Oliver not playing to his best level this year because he has no incentive to push himself to be greater. Maybe they felt they gambled and lost on Edmunds and didn't want to do the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Pretty sure @GunnerBill predicting this possibility months ago. He's probably in a pub somewhere. Quaffing pints, no doubt. 🧐 "Bit of all right, innit, mate?" Edited June 3, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Man Gabe Davis has stiff competition for TBD whipping boy. Next extension? Get it done Beane in case he has a good year this season and his value goes up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Maybe they are expecting big things from him this year next to Ford and with McD running the D. Beane very well could be trying to lock him up on the cheap before Ed is turned loose and puts up stats that would of commanded a lot more cash. Edited June 3, 2023 by Herc11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: That's not common knowledge and you have zero proof of it lol. You're just making it up. I heard Beane did this just to piss off McDermott. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 What has he accomplished really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: This move is beyond questionable. The above is a permaquote from you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, 4merper4mer said: I heard Beane did this just to piss off McDermott. I thought Beane did this just to piss off TSW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Herc11 said: Maybe they are expecting big things from him this year next to Ford and with McD running the D. Beanr very well could be trying to lock him up on the cheap before Ed is turned loose and puts up stats that would of commanded a lot more cash. Poor Ford… earning chump change himself… but already making $$$ for the other guys and hasn’t played a down here yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Not to change the subject but a move like this could also mean it is lowering his cap hit substantially for this year which could allow another move, Hopkins/pass rusher, to take place. I'm 50/50 on this extension. Could backfire or could reach potential, idk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Watching people that have absolutely zero clue about DT play freak out about this is hilarious. 4 1 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Herc11 said: Maybe they are expecting big things from him this year next to Ford and with McD running the D. Beanr very well could be trying to lock him up on the cheap before Ed is turned loose and puts up stats that would of commanded a lot more cash. That I imagine is the plan. Leave him at the under tackle and let him line up at times next to ford at the nose....along with a healthy secondary and von miller's return they have to expect a good season from him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I see it pretty clearly as the level that needed to move to have a real conversation with DeAndre Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herc11 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Poor Ford… earning chump change himself… but already making $$$ for the other guys and hasn’t played a down here yet Space eaters don't command the same salary as the guys with the numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Mr. Beane: "Hey, Ed! Want to see Coach Washington's head and TSW implode?!" Mr. Oliver: "Sure, Mr. B!" * 😁 As of today: Mr. Washington: "we are confident that this very generous contract extension will be a source of significant motivation for Mr. Oliver to become a more significant playmaker heading into this, his 5th season". Messrs Haynesworth and Dareus: "definitely....bahahahaha!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 hour ago, mushypeaches said: I legitimately did not see this coming. It feels like Beane blinked first knowing that he didn't have any DT's under contract for next year. Seems out of character It’s in character. Consider the money and resources Beane has wasted on the DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Just now, Simon said: Watching people that have absolutely zero clue about DT play freak out about this is hilarious. It's not that hard, you just push someone that weighs more than you out of the way like a 60lb child and then tackle the guy with the ball. Easy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 That's a lot of guaranteed money. What could go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Here's a hypothetical contract structure which shows how this move can make cap sense: Extension value: $68m Guaranteed total: $45m Signing bonus: $25m Salary total: $43m Cap Hits (by year; amortized signing bonus listed first) $5m + $1m = $6m (creating $4m in cap space) $5m + $8m = $13m $5m + $11m = $16m $5m + $11m = $16m $5m + $12m = $17m Total Cash Paid (by year) $25m + $1m = $26m $26m + $8m = $34m $34m + $11m = $45m (guaranteed total met) $45m + $11m = $56m $56m + $12m =$68m 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Think it’s possible this deal has a few void years? I’m guessing this opens up 5-8 million in cap right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, GETTOTHE50 said: What has he accomplished really isn't the bigger question "how do you replace him" going forward. Having no DT's signed for next year, especially the under tackle would be a huge problem. Which other 3T would be available to step right in and play his snaps? How much would he cost in free agency compared to oliver? What is available in the draft next year etc. Extending him fills one spot and allows the organization to at least have him going forward who they can rely on. There will be enough gators in the swamp as it is on defense next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Capco said: Here's a hypothetical contract structure which shows how this move can make cap sense: Extension value: $68m Guaranteed total: $45m Signing bonus: $25m Salary total: $43m Cap Hits (by year; amortized signing bonus listed first) $5m + $1m = $6m (creating $4m in cap space) $5m + $8m = $13m $5m + $11m = $16m $5m + $11m = $16m $5m + $12m = $17m Total Cash Paid (by year) $25m + $1m = $26m $26m + $8m = $34m $34m + $11m = $45m (guaranteed total met) $45m + $11m = $56m $56m + $12m =$68m Can his entire base this year be converted into the signing bonus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Man Gabe Davis has stiff competition for TBD whipping boy. 4 year, $60M extension coming for Gabe? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Ha. I have been at a comedy gig. But I have been telling people since January and certainly since they didn't trade him before FA that the most likely outcome was an extension. You and I both have been on train where you extend a player as cheap as you can because if a player gets hot that 5th year option year... then you can not afford it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Herc11 said: Space eaters don't command the same salary as the guys with the numbers Yeah… $1.7 m is a lot of difference to $17m .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Can his entire base this year be converted into the signing bonus? That's what capco did in his example. The signing bonus is prorated over the entire contract, leaving only $1M base this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, boater said: That's a lot of guaranteed money. What could go wrong? The only real problem isn't that Oliver is a bad player, he's not. It's that there's a real possibility that he's going to spend a large chunk of his career regularly fighting injuries that hamper his speed and strength. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 25 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: @LABILLBACKER yep.. the person that just gave me the eye roll knows he was one of them ha ha.. that is ok.. we go back and forth.. 2/3rds of the time your right... the last third i am right. all good bro lol Prime....if Ed balls out and leads us toward a championship with the "learning curve" issues, I will be the first one to personally apologize to you. I just see Dareus 2.0 in this whole extension. And we all remember how that worked out. Ed shows me nothing that screams 10M/yr, let alone a whopping 17 large. And I think you're extremely underestimating Sean's "Belichick-like" abilities to micro manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 What’s the cap savings this year? Not sure it’s DHop money, but gives us sone breathing room. We are definitely up against the cap and I believe Beane likes ability for moves during the season. Need cap space for injury replacements and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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