Ed Oliver big extension

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, Process said:

If they wanted the cap space this year cutting him would have been a much better option

his money was guaranteed

[Dablitzkrieg]

17 minutes ago, klos63 said:

a bit of an overreaction, eh?

No

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

I understand that DTs, especially ones that can provide a decent pass rush, are scarce. Oliver is a good DT, but even with that said I don’t get $17M AAV on the extension. There’s no way to look at that and not see a substantial overpay. 

sounds like its actually 15.75 million making him the 16th highest paid interior defensive lineman.  Are there 15 better 3 technique Defensive tackles in the league?

 

The bills have no dt signed for next year except Oliver.  Its unreasonable to think you would be able to sign 2 or 3 above average DT's who are free agents and draft 2 more in one offseason.  Its going to be hard enough with oliver still here.

 

also it sounds like he may have an opt out after the 3rd year which is an incentive for the player and maybe why he signed the extension right now.

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Not sure how you infer that.

 

Coaches and front offices disagree all the time.

 

The Titans front office literally traded WR AJ Brown to Philly last year despite Head Coach Vrabel railing against it. After AJ Brown went off the next season, they fired the GM for making the wrong choice and Vrabel got a status boost.

In short, it is a collaboration with this team.

[Process]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

his money was guaranteed

then trade him for a bag of peanuts

[HappyDays]

From Joe Buscaglia's article:

 

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The Bills could be perceived as taking a slight risk on a defensive tackle with only 14.5 sacks through his first four seasons, but that risk was baked into his cost a bit. ESPN’s reported extension amount was $68 million before full guarantees and signing bonuses are revealed in the contract details when signed. But when that’s combined with the $10.753 million from the fifth-year option, it would bring it to an average annual value of $15.75 million over the five years, which is presently the 16th highest among interior defensive linemen.             

It makes it look far more manageable and brings the risk down slightly while guaranteeing the Bills keep a player they believe in. The team also didn’t have a single defensive tackle signed past 2023, so that made it an even bigger emphasis to get this done sooner rather than later. If Oliver’s flashes of brilliance become more impactful on the stat sheet, this contract could look like a great deal two or three years later, with Oliver still in his prime. But Oliver has to continue to prove he’s worth such a significant investment over the next few seasons.

 

[The Wiz]

Just now, Process said:

If they wanted the cap space this year cutting him would have been a much better option

It might have been, but then it would have left them short a DT until they signed someone from whatever is left and had no other DTs on the books after this year.

 

Like I said, I'm not as down on him but still not exactly in favor of the extension unless it ends up getting us something else.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Process said:

then trade him for a bag of peanuts

would the nfl approve that? 

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Not sure how you infer that.

 

Coaches and front offices disagree all the time.

 

The Titans front office literally traded WR AJ Brown to Philly last year despite Head Coach Vrabel railing against it. After AJ Brown went off the next season, they fired the GM for making the wrong choice and Vrabel got a status boost.

So, you think McDermott and his coaches are against the move? I highly doubt that. Beane would not extend Oliver unless McDermott was on board.

[PrimeTime101]

21 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

A month ago I said we should extend him, because if he balls out like an Edmunds year last year.. we would not afford him... I GOT SLAMMED for it. 

@LABILLBACKER yep.. the person that just gave me the eye roll knows he was one of them ha ha.. that is ok.. we go back and forth.. 2/3rds of the time your right... the last third i am right. all good bro lol

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

In short, it is a collaboration with this team.

 

Based on? Are you in the front office?

[ChiGoose]

Adding Poona Ford and holding onto DaQuan Jones means that Oliver can play more to his skills. I expect the coaches think he’s likely to have a breakout year and this would lock him in under what he’d get on the open market.

 

It also, I believe, creates cap space for this year if they want to go get someone. 
 

It’s a gamble but I don’t mind the risk. 

[LABILLBACKER]

17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

Your delusional if you think this is on McD. The Bills analytic team goes over these things... McD and his staff goes over these things... Claiming a HC is underperforming Defensive players over anything on offense is really every part of wrong. 

The only thing delusional about you Prime is your love affair with Edmunds and Oliver.  Two underperforming 1st rounders. 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

So, you think McDermott and his coaches are against the move? I highly doubt that. Beane would not extend Oliver unless McDermott was on board.

 

I honestly dont know. 

 

I'm just saying, it's not like we haven't seen plenty of examples of front offices doing things the coach doesnt agree with.

 

Part of me wonders whether McD is actually in charge. But in that scenario, does Beane approve of this deal?

 

[uticaclub]

48 minutes ago, zevo said:

Why?

Because he's not that good

[CaliBills]

Bunch of teenagers in here acting like its the end of the world LOL

[newcam2012]

40 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Because he's the new whipping boy of the board now that Edmunds is gone. This place isn't happy unless they have at least 1 player every year that they can spew hyperbole about how terrible they are and chase them out of town with pitchforks.

 

Like I said all season, him being extended was the most likely outcome. He was NEVER going to be traded. 

He wasn't going to be traded because the Bills wouldn't get anything of value for him. So you are correct there. 

 

This move is beyond questionable. 

[MPT]

So we won't even get "contract year" effort out of him this year. What has he done to deserve $17 million a year? 

 

They talk a big game about prioritizing the trenches, but they keep filling them with mediocre, overpaid talent.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

He wasn't going to be traded because the Bills wouldn't get anything of value for him. So you are correct there. 

 

This move is beyond questionable. 

 

"No one else wants him sir"

"Great, give him a big contract extension"

 

Sounds like something the drought-era Bills would do.

[GoBills808]

I mean isn't the long and short of this we signed the 9th overall pick to a middling/good extension

 

All things considered I'm not sure that should be construed positively

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

sounds like its actually 15.75 million making him the 16th highest paid interior defensive lineman.  Are there 15 better 3 technique Defensive tackles in the league?

 

The bills have no dt signed for next year except Oliver.  Its unreasonable to think you would be able to sign 2 or 3 above average DT's who are free agents and draft 2 more in one offseason.  Its going to be hard enough with oliver still here.

 

also it sounds like he may have an opt out after the 3rd year which is an incentive for the player and maybe why he signed the extension right now.

I think that 15th best is in the ball park of where Oliver is.  If he plays well than this deal is a steal for Buffalo.  If he plays the same way he has over the past few seasons then atleast it’s not a tremendous overpay

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

I honestly dont know. 

 

I'm just saying, it's not like we haven't seen plenty of examples of front offices doing things the coach doesnt agree with.

 

Part of me wonders whether McD is actually in charge. But in that scenario, does Beane approve of this deal?

 

Do you actually believe Sean McDermott did not want to keep his 3 technique Defensive tackle? That is usually the most important position on the line.  

 

They made a move with ford to make sure Oliver can play his 3T position.  There is zero percent chance the head coach/defensive coordinator did not want to extend him.

[akcash]

I'd like to see us stay with the 5 dt rotation and see Oliver more on in pass rush situations and at end of games. He is a weapon in pass rush. 

[QCity]

Yikes

[newcam2012]

17 minutes ago, Capco said:

 

But if Oliver lives up to his potential and blows it out of the water, then we have a top 10 DT on a very reasonable contract.  If he doesn't, then we still have a decent DT and can probably move on in 3 years.

The risk-reward balance is a factor.  If you have a crystal ball and know with absolute certainty that Oliver will never get any better, then it would seem obvious that this wasn't a good move.  

Where was he vs the Bengals 2nd and 3rd stringers come playoff time? 

 

I've seen 4 years of Oliver with very mixed results. He doesn't suck nor is he elite. His inconsistencies are very frustrating. I just think you don't pay a guy that kind of money after seeing what he's done in the previous years. 

[stevestojan]

Finally a move worthy of our standard knee-jerk overreactions. 
 

This one is absolutely bizarre, Beane. I literally can’t figure out how this makes sense. Ed ***** Oliver is now a top 10 paid DT in the NFL??? For what ***** reason? I can count on two fingers how many truly impactful/game-changer Sundays he had - and I’d be left with one lonely finger. 

[PrimeTime101]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Based on? Are you in the front office?

come on man. this is common knowledge. 

[Mr. WEO]

He still has RB privileges tho...

[MikePJ76]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

"No one else wants him sir"

"Great, give him a big contract extension"

 

Sounds like something the drought-era Bills would do.

 

Where is the no one wants him thing coming from?  DT are in demand all over the league.  There are not enough good ones and the draft every year does not produce that many.  He would have a market he was an UFA.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I'm assuming this frees up money/cap space this season (hopefully to sign a player that will be a contributor this season)

 

Very surprised that this happened now, think it will work out though. 

 

The contract on the initial look, appears to be one that can be very manipulated to free up space going forward. 4 years 68 million with 45 guaranteed. Likely will have the opportunity each season to restructure and get his cap hit down 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, MikePJ76 said:

Do you actually believe Sean McDermott did not want to keep his 3 technique Defensive tackle? That is usually the most important position on the line.  

 

They made a move with ford to make sure Oliver can play his 3T position.  There is zero percent chance the head coach/defensive coordinator did not want to extend him.

Einstein's first name is Not.

[MikePJ76]

Just now, stevestojan said:

Finally a move worthy of our standard knee-jerk overreactions. 
 

This one is absolutely bizarre, Beane. I literally can’t figure out how this makes sense. Ed ***** Oliver is now a top 10 paid DT in the NFL??? For what ***** reason? I can count on two fingers how many truly impactful/game-changer Sundays he had - and I’d be left with one lonely finger. 

he is not a top ten paid DT.

[Best Player Available]

Fit Em Up

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

 

Where is the no one wants him thing coming from?  DT are in demand all over the league.  There are not enough good ones and the draft every year does not produce that many.  He would have a market he was an UFA.

Did you bother to read the post I was responding to?

 

 

[Brand J]

When I saw it was 4 years for $68M I said “wow!” and started laughing. Here’s the thing, I like Ed Oliver when he’s “on,” but he’s had far too many games where he’s simply invisible. If you had asked me which one I prefer to re-sign between him and Edmunds, I definitely would’ve chosen Oliver because his best games are better than Tremaine’s best games. The Dallas Cowpoke Thanksgiving game, the Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game, one of the Jets games, he was unblockable in those 3. But those are the only 3 games in his four year career where I can remember him looking like Warren Sapp. I just wish we saw that disruption more often. 

[Einstein]

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

come on man. this is common knowledge. 

 

It's common knowledge the inner workings of the Bills? i'd say its the complete opposite. They keep a very tight lip ship.

[Southern_Bills]

Well I would have lost alot if money if someone would have asked to bet. Seems next off-season the price wouldn't have been much more.

 

Oh well, I'll hope he performs as he will be a big part of the team for a minute now. 

 

Still can't fathom how many 1st round picks we have had on defense and all the money tied up in it to play like crap when it matters.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

38 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

This will teach us all not to read between the lines when it comes to Eric Washington commenting on Oliver. 

Mr. Beane: "Hey, Ed!  Want to see Coach Washington's head and TSW implode?!"

Mr. Oliver:  "Sure, Mr. B!"

*
😁

[TBBills Fan]

I'm not mad

[Aussie Joe]

18 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I understand that DTs, especially ones that can provide a decent pass rush, are scarce. Oliver is a good DT, but even with that said I don’t get $17M AAV on the extension. There’s no way to look at that and not see a substantial overpay. 

To be completely honest… I thought the $10m he was getting paid this year was an overpay..