Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) That is the question posed by Mike Florio and Chris Simms in the clip below. They were talking about Diggs and Allen, and they make the argument that Allen is often excusing Diggs behavior. Currently, he is excusing his absence from OTA’s. We also know that Allen excuses Diggs tantrums on the sidelines, because Diggs is an emotional firey competitor. Florio says that it has gotten to the point that it seems like Diggs is the “alpha” in the QB/WR relationship and it shouldn’t be that way. He also says that Peyton Manning would have never let Marvin Harrison have “permission slips” for bad behavior like Allen does with Diggs. Do you agree or disagree with Florio and Simms? Here is the video: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-would-love-have-stefon-diggs-otas?ls=pftvod Edited May 27, 2023 by Einstein 1 5 3 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Diggs being absent from OTAs is no big deal. His behaviour at the end of the divisional round was unacceptable but that is for McD and Beane to deal with. But if anything Diggs should be harder on Josh whatever he was trying to do to light a fire up his ass vs the Bengals failed as Josh zombie stared into middle distance. 2 1 1 8 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, GunnerBill said: Diggs being absent from OTAs is no big deal. His behaviour at the end of the divisional round was unacceptable but that is for McD and Beane to deal with. Agreed on both accounts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: as Josh zombie stared into middle distance. Love Josh but this is one concern of mine with him. That isn’t the first time we’ve seen that zombie stare from him. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Hot take. I think there is a lot of effort across the organization to keep Diggs happy and from blowing a gasket. Diggs is that friend that everybody goes "well, you got to really get to know him". I like the guy, he is certainly talented. But I also think he has the potential to be a liability. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) Diggs’ 🤷♂️ display (understandable as it was) and quick French exit from the stadium after the Bengals loss combined with the aloof off-season stuff people have read into…. It’s not without precedent for an NFL WR to be a bit squirrelly, attitude-wise, but I just don’t like it happening here. It seems the buddy-buddy BFFs / bromance is over b/w Steph and Josh. Yeah, I do think it’s time for Josh to start getting into it with guys more when they eff up. And not just Diggs. I mean, Saffold deserved a 😡🤬ing a many points last year to let him know someone wasn’t going to accept him being a turnstile. Edited May 27, 2023 by UConn James 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Love Josh but this is one concern of mine with him. That isn’t the first time we’ve seen that zombie stare from him. I don't know what people were expecting Josh to do. He was under almost instant pressure the entire game and it looked like the entire O-line had already checked out and their brains were sitting on a beach sipping Mai Tais in the offseason. 5 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 A bunch of click bait nonsense. This is a non-issue. Not only that, I see this nonsense that Josh is not a leader, not talkative on the sidelines.. OTA Josh spent ample time with Kincaid showing him things.. it showed it in the video them talking one on one. JA does not need to scream at people to get his point across. A mistake is made by anyone, he just moves on. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Just now, Billz4ever said: I don't know what people were expecting Josh to do. He was under almost instant pressure the entire game and it looked like the entire O-line had already checked out and their brains were sitting on a beach sipping Mai Tais in the offseason. This. Plus he knows he didn't play his best game. What is he supposed to do, chew others out when he was part of the problem? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: A bunch of click bait nonsense. This is a non-issue. Not only that, I see this nonsense that Josh is not a leader, not talkative on the sidelines.. OTA Josh spent ample time with Kincaid showing him things.. it showed it in the video them talking one on one. JA does not need to scream at people to get his point across. A mistake is made by anyone, he just moves on. These guys have a lot of airtime to fill all summer. The result is stuff like this 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc said: This. Plus he knows he didn't play his best game. What is he supposed to do, chew others out when he was part of the problem? Yep, Josh is the first to admit he didn't have it that day, just like he does all the time. He owns his mistakes, but what QB would've been able to be successful under those circumstances? Josh has dazzled us so many times and done what seemed like the impossible, I think many people have placed unrealistic expectations on him. He can't do it alone. 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) The OTAs are a non issue, its the other stuff, It takes a village so to speak, its not just on Allen to figuratively boot Diggs, or any other player in the azs when they go full on child mode, its on the coaches and their team mates to let them know they need to HTFU, and get their emotions in check, it goes for any player who crosses the pouty little itch line, jmo. I say this because I was born in 1959, and grew up in a world where neighbors, team mates and friends would do such a thing, likely not so much nowadays… Edited May 27, 2023 by Don Otreply 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Wow. Florio muckraking on the Bills. I am shocked by this development. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Florio's favorite pastime... Pitching his crappy books on PFT. Florio's second favorite pastime... Dumping on the Bills. Florio sucks and so do 99% of his opinions. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Diggs being absent from OTAs is no big deal. His behaviour at the end of the divisional round was unacceptable but that is for McD and Beane to deal with. But if anything Diggs should be harder on Josh whatever he was trying to do to light a fire up his ass vs the Bengals failed as Josh zombie stared into middle distance. It's not for McD or Beane to deal with. Diggs' tantrum was directed 10 feet from Josh's face. These 2 need to work it out between them. And yes it's not the end of the world that Diggs is an OTA no show. But I think 99% of Bills fans consider these 2 our leaders. Leaders show up to voluntary workouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Until Diggs personally insults my mother, twice, I’m fine with him not being at OTAs, cryptic tweets, etc. Run fast. Catch footballs. That’s literally all I care about. 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: It's not for McD or Beane to deal with. Diggs' tantrum was directed 10 feet from Josh's face. These 2 need to work it out between them. And yes it's not the end of the world that Diggs is an OTA no show. But I think 99% of Bills fans consider these 2 our leaders. Leaders show up to voluntary workouts. Interesting. And I’m not arguing, but I’ve never looked at Diggs as a leader. Seems to do his job and go home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Yep, Josh is the first to admit he didn't have it that day, just like he does all the time. He owns his mistakes, but what QB would've been able to be successful under those circumstances? Josh has dazzled us so many times and done what seemed like the impossible, I think many people have placed unrealistic expectations on him. He can't do it alone. We expect him to do it all. We expect him to be a superhero. We ask him to do things no Bills qb in history has done. He walks on the field against Cincy and before he can practically react it's 14-0. And let's not forget the waves of emotional events that led up to and culminated against the Bengals. Josh is hardly without blame. He has find ways to stay more emotionally balanced. He has to avoid "Zombie Josh" as many have accurately mentioned. Stefon and Josh have to rekindle their bro-mance and get back to work. Edited May 27, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 19 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: It's not for McD or Beane to deal with. Diggs' tantrum was directed 10 feet from Josh's face. These 2 need to work it out between them. And yes it's not the end of the world that Diggs is an OTA no show. But I think 99% of Bills fans consider these 2 our leaders. Leaders show up to voluntary workouts. Diggs has never been a big OTAs guy. He turned up to 1 last year. He had the best first half of a season of his career. So I am not in the least bit concerned. Diggs' tantrum vs the Bengals was to try and get a reaction out of his sleepwalking teammates. Of course it is on the those two to resolve any issues between them. But Diggs storming off after the game which is the bit I considered unacceptable is for McD and Beane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: That is the question posed by Mike Florio and Chris Simms in the clip below. They were talking about Diggs and Allen, and they make the argument that Allen is often excusing Diggs behavior. Currently, he is excusing his absence from OTA’s. We also know that Allen excuses Diggs tantrums on the sidelines, because Diggs is an emotional firey competitor. Florio says that it has gotten to the point that it seems like Diggs is the “alpha” in the QB/WR relationship and it shouldn’t be that way. He also says that Peyton Manning would have never let Marvin Harrison have “permission slips” for bad behavior like Allen does with Diggs. Do you agree or disagree with Florio and Simms? Here is the video: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-would-love-have-stefon-diggs-otas?ls=pftvod Not Allen's job 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, FLFan said: Wow. Florio muckraking on the Bills. I am shocked by this development. I find this post odd. Florio has said very kind things of the Bills over the last few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, Billz4ever said: I don't know what people were expecting Josh to do. Not look like a Zombie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Diggs being absent from OTAs is no big deal. His behaviour at the end of the divisional round was unacceptable but that is for McD and Beane to deal with. But if anything Diggs should be harder on Josh whatever he was trying to do to light a fire up his ass vs the Bengals failed as Josh zombie stared into middle distance. He wasn't trying to get him going, he was throwing a tantrum. It was reported Allen had missed a throw he'd been struggling with in practice leading up to Bengals game and Diggs was in his face yelling 'what's your excuse now Josh?' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 My nature is to go easy, and that is how to treat Diggs. Firm but polite and persistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) IF Josh is harder on Diggs, we shouldn’t know about it. Praise in public, criticize in private. That’s pretty basic stuff. Starting a public pissing match would be the worst thing they could do. Don’t expect that. . Edited May 27, 2023 by Augie 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel101 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Diggs being absent from OTAs is no big deal. His behaviour at the end of the divisional round was unacceptable but that is for McD and Beane to deal with. But if anything Diggs should be harder on Josh whatever he was trying to do to light a fire up his ass vs the Bengals failed as Josh zombie stared into middle distance. I agree with you that if it was just him missing OTA’s but with the way he acted at the end of the year and throughout the offseason for him to not show face and show his teammates he is in it to win it this year is not a good look. And Allen needs to take control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Simms didn't quite agree with Florio that Manning wouldn't have been fine with Wayne or Harrison doing this — he said Manning would have dealt with it privately, not to the press. And that may be happening already. Though, I think there's is the potential for the theory (and that's all there is) that Diggs has the upper hand in the is relationship. But who knows. What may be more interesting is that Simms, as a former player and someone with player friends, says that he agrees with Florio's take to just make OTAs mandatory in the CBA. Simms thinks it's not good for player's injury-wise to just to weights and sprints and then get thrust into a game. He thinks (and this may sound counter intuitive) that practicing without the big hits in OTAs can actually reduce injuries as player's bodies need that as preparation for games. Interesting take, that last one about OTAs helping reduce injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, UConn James said: Diggs’ 🤷♂️ display (understandable as it was) and quick French exit from the stadium after the Bengals loss combined with the aloof off-season stuff people have read into…. It’s not without precedent for an NFL WR to be a bit squirrelly, attitude-wise, but I just don’t like it happening here. It seems the buddy-buddy BFFs / bromance is over b/w Steph and Josh. Yeah, I do think it’s time for Josh to start getting into it with guys more when they eff up. And not just Diggs. I mean, Saffold deserved a 😡🤬ing a many points last year to let him know someone wasn’t going to accept him being a turnstile. I agree. The nice guy personality with Josh needs to transition to a leader willing to critique and even "get in the face" of your players for lack of performance. Brady did it his whole career. And I've seen Mahomes do it too. Edited May 27, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 No. Diggs is made they lost. This is a media creation. Tom Brady threw tantrums like a toddler multiple times a year and crickets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mango said: Hot take. I think there is a lot of effort across the organization to keep Diggs happy and from blowing a gasket. Diggs is that friend that everybody goes "well, you got to really get to know him". I like the guy, he is certainly talented. But I also think he has the potential to be a liability. The Bills knew who Diggs was when they traded for him and then later signed him to his current contract. He’s an elite, emotional player who gets angry when he thinks his teammates and/or coaches let him and the team down. And he’s watched both happen while he has played at his typical elite level. The coaches effed up with 13 seconds against KC and most of the team - Allen included - didn’t bother to show up in the playoffs this past year. Diggs, Milano and only a few others should have had their heads up after the Bengals game. And the team sucked against the Phins too. Squeaking out a 3 point win against Skyler Thompson was embarrassing. So, yeah, there’s definitely some effort by the team to keep the Diggs situation from blowing up. But they are tied together for two more seasons - at least - so what choice do they have? Edited May 27, 2023 by BarleyNY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I would love to believe Allen went to Diggs some time after the season and said “ love you bro, but if you ever show me up publicly like that again I’ll put you into the ground like a tent pole” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted May 27, 2023 Author Share Posted May 27, 2023 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Diggs was in his face yelling 'what's your excuse now Josh?' Wait, really?? I hadn't heard that before. If that is true, that is beyond unacceptable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I don’t know Josh personally, but he strikes me as somebody who actively avoids confrontation. There is nothing wrong with that, but I just don’t think he is trying to bother with baby sitting Diggs and correcting his attitude problems. Josh’s job is to throw him the ball, it’s the coach’s job to get his players to “buy in”, set aside their diva-like attitudes and handle their tantrums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Yeah, I agree with it 100%. Diggs is ultra talented but his behavior is concerning. What took place on the sidelines against the Bengals should not happen when you have a franchise QB taking heat from a WR. At least not the absolute disrespectful show of emotion Diggs displayed. The Bills have built something special. Allen is the focal point. All other parts are interchangeable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 It’s not nothing that Diggs hasn’t cleaned this up. We can all make excuses for him, and it’s whatever.. but it’s notable. I’m not worried about his future with the team, but I don’t feel like we need to be all “aww shucks, that’s just Diggs being Diggs” either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Mountains outta molehills...it's like these knuckleheads have incentives in their contracts. The more crap you make up the better the holiday bonus or something. Buncha turds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Einstein said: Not look like a Zombie. 🤦🏻 What’s the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: It's not for McD or Beane to deal with. Diggs' tantrum was directed 10 feet from Josh's face. These 2 need to work it out between them. And yes it's not the end of the world that Diggs is an OTA no show. But I think 99% of Bills fans consider these 2 our leaders. Leaders show up to voluntary workouts. I'm part of the 1% that doesn't think Diggs is a leader. Just a great receiver but not a leader. Also may be in a similar minority that doesn't score leadership in decibels one yells at. Allen is a leader.JMO Edited May 27, 2023 by Radar 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 It’s all going to end in tears with Diggs eventually blowing up and wanting out… Hopefully a couple of years away still and they won’t have to eat too much dead money… 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Allen should target Diggs more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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