Chandler#81 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ 22. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Seasons With Team: 6 | Head Coaching Record: 62-35 Analysis: He’s done a lot of winning and deserves credit for that but the combination of losing games against far inferior teams in the regular season, which hurts playoff seeding, and then getting outcoached in the postseason is troubling. It seems like it’s going to get harder, not easier, for this group of Bills to break through with a Super Bowl berth. Edited May 25, 2023 by Chandler#81 5 5 6 1 12 10 3 6 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ 22. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Seasons With Team: 6 | Head Coaching Record: 62-35 Analysis: He’s done a lot of winning and deserves credit for that but the combination of losing games against far inferior teams in the regular season, which hurts playoff seeding, and then getting outcoached in the postseason is troubling. It seems like it’s going to get harder, not easier, for this group of Bills to break through with a Super Bowl berth. I can’t disagree with the logic. Though I will give credit where it’s due, the Bills have won almost all of the games they are “supposed” to win in the regular season for McD’s career. There have definitely been some flat performances and I know exactly what games he’s thinking of that did cost us big time. The thing that sticks out to me is the number of times he’s been directly responsible for losing big games. 7 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ 22. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Seasons With Team: 6 | Head Coaching Record: 62-35 Analysis: He’s done a lot of winning and deserves credit for that but the combination of losing games against far inferior teams in the regular season, which hurts playoff seeding, and then getting outcoached in the postseason is troubling. It seems like it’s going to get harder, not easier, for this group of Bills to break through with a Super Bowl berth. You think it’s fair that Brandon Staley, Arthur Smith, McConnell and Mcdaniel should be ranked ahead of him? There are more on the list that we can question….. but those 4 guys have no right at the moment Edited May 25, 2023 by NewEra 16 21 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 How McDermott is ranked so poorly when he had a 19 linebacker as a captain is crazy talk. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ Not the biggest fan of McDermott as a HC, but ranking him #22 is laughable. He has 10 unproven, unaccomplished HCs ranked ahead of him. I like Tuckers pod casts, he’s usually quite insightful. I think he’s intentionally trying draw negative attention to his article. 6 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ 22. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Seasons With Team: 6 | Head Coaching Record: 62-35 Analysis: He’s done a lot of winning and deserves credit for that but the combination of losing games against far inferior teams in the regular season, which hurts playoff seeding, and then getting outcoached in the postseason is troubling. It seems like it’s going to get harder, not easier, for this group of Bills to break through with a Super Bowl berth. The assessment on the nature of his coaching tenure is fair. You could say the latter prognostication is true insofar as the AFC appears to be a monster conference with the bulk of franchise qbs, but I don't really concede that "this group of Bills" is automatically in a tougher position. The notion that we are not also improving or that we peaked, etc. is lazy thinking. Some much needed talent infusion along the IOL, adding Kincaid and revamping the Wr and Rb rooms, along with Dorsey in his second year at OC should contribute to a more powerful and less predictable offense that was statistically already one of the top teams. Theoretically, we might emerge as a more dangerous team to play, so that it is now harder, not easier for other AFC teams as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 This is an honest and accurate assessment. I like Sean as a person but his coaching abilities are mediocre. Most coaches get fired after an event like 13 seconds. I would prefer a long term offensive HC to work with Josh. JMHO 2 3 3 2 14 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: This is an honest and accurate assessment. I like Sean as a person but his coaching abilities are mediocre. Most coaches get fired after an event like 13 seconds. I would prefer a long term offensive HC to work with Josh. JMHO After the 13 seconds and the Cinci dismantling, there should be real consequences. 2 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Mental ######ation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 11 minutes ago, DCofNC said: After the 13 seconds and the Cinci dismantling, there should be real consequences. Yes I agree and there wasn't. Basically firing Farwell & Frazier reeks of scapegoating. If I could reverse roles and make Daboll our HC and McD our DC, this team would drastically improve. 2 4 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 He made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor @ QB in a season in which everyone thought we were tanking. Shady and Clay were our most targeted receivers. Zay, Deonte Thonpson, KB, Andre Holmes. That team had a better record than Mike Mcdaniels who had a loaded roster and a better QB. Mike Tolbert. 14 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) I think #22 is too low. McDermott should be ranked higher but he is not really wrong with his assessment especially with the playoff failures. Edited May 25, 2023 by Gregg 2 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 well they have been burning dion at the stake for his weight now it's McDs turn. oh, wait, there is also a thread of JA and his turnovers. still plenty of time to start more offseason threads burning players and coaches at the stake. I miss the drought years. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) Absolutely laughable that McD would be ranked in the bottom 3rd of HCs. Meanwhile, guys like Rivera, McDaniel, O’Connell, Campbell and Daboll are ranked much higher. Hilarious. Edited May 25, 2023 by Bangarang 7 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, DCofNC said: After the 13 seconds and the Cinci dismantling, there should be real consequences. It may not be what you want but I believe the consequences are/is McD's clock has started. He's done a good job of turning the culture around but I believe he's lost that goodwill with 13 seconds and Cincy. Now we're in a new phase. He's the coach and DC and it's time to up his success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Losing winnable games in regular season that negatively impact playoff seeding and stinking up the joint once we get there have Sean ranked 10 from the bottom. Frankly, that’s fair. Imo. https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/rankings/nfl-head-coaching-rankings-which-teams-coach-reigns-supreme/ 22. Sean McDermott, Buffalo Bills Seasons With Team: 6 | Head Coaching Record: 62-35 Analysis: He’s done a lot of winning and deserves credit for that but the combination of losing games against far inferior teams in the regular season, which hurts playoff seeding, and then getting outcoached in the postseason is troubling. It seems like it’s going to get harder, not easier, for this group of Bills to break through with a Super Bowl berth. The criticisms are fair, but that list overall is a joke. There are a lot of coaches he has ranked ahead of McDermott, who either have no track record to date, whose winning track record is years in the past, or about whom the same criticisms could be made (only without the overall track record of wins) 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) I don't mind McDermott being ranked low. But lower than some of these guys is ridiculous. Here's a few Mike Vrabel. 9 spots higher! McDermott has a better win percentage and Vrabel hasn't done anything in the playoffs either. Some playoff flops, in fact. John Harbaugh. 11 spots higher? His teams have been underwhelming for years now. Some major chokes, along with a few end-of-game coaching gaffes. Dan Campbell??? He's got the team winning more games, but he's still got a losing record. And he's had some head scratching end-of-game decisions. Tucker must be buying in to the Kyle Brandt man-love here. Edited May 25, 2023 by Fleezoid 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: well they have been burning dion at the stake for his weight now it's McDs turn. oh, wait, there is also a thread of JA and his turnovers. still plenty of time to start more offseason threads burning players and coaches at the stake. I miss the drought years. No you don't 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I'm ok with it, I'd probably push it closer to top 15, so it's a little bit of a stretch for 22. The playoff blunders are pretty damn bad. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 45 minutes ago, NewEra said: You think it’s fair that Brandon Staley, Arthur Smith, McConnell and Mcdaniel should be ranked ahead of him? There are more on the list that we can question….. but those 4 guys have no right at the moment Right. It's clear that the list is resting on "yesterday's glories" to some extent when it places Belicheck, Tomlin, and Payton at #2,3, and 4. But, they've done great things, so, OK. Then to turn around and rank a bunch of coaches who haven't accomplished nearly as much as McDermott or who have NO track record, higher? It's a joke. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I see this as obvious bait. Ross knows this rabid, angst ridden fan base too well. Good way to generate buzz from this nest of bees. Is it fair to say he’s had questionable moments and needs to improve? Yes. He’s certainly not perfect. Do we need to continue to advance toward getting to and winning the Super Bowl? Absolutely! But am I going to rate a guy who took a multi-decade, laughing stock of the NFL franchise and has them at 62-35 (64% win record) with multiple playoff appearances and is currently rated as one of the couple teams with a legit shot to win the Super Bowl and say he’s one of the bottom third coaches in the NFL? Please… 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said: I'm ok with it, I'd probably push it closer to top 15, so it's a little bit of a stretch for 22. The playoff blunders are pretty damn bad. OK. But then what do you say about the playoff blunders of, say, Pete Carroll? Or the recent playoff records of Vrabel and Harbaugh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Huh? The guy with the best winning percentage in Bills' history is a below-average head coach? That's just dumb. McD's first two seasons were great in the sense that he outperformed the talent on the roster. In 2018, when we finished 6-10, we had the lowest cap spending on active players in the NFL and arguably the worst roster. Getting 6 wins from that squad was an impressive accomplishment. Over the past few years, I keep seeing pundits ranking our roster anywhere from 3rd to 8th best. That's a playoff roster but not a Super Bowl roster. And we've been getting to the playoffs. McD may not be over-achieving but, lately, he's getting out of this roster about what you'd expect given the talent. In fact, while the Cinci game was a huge disappointment, getting 13 regular season wins last season with all the challenges we faced was the accomplishment of a good coach. Anyone who thinks he's underperforming is rating the roster he's working with much higher than I do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Right. It's clear that the list is resting on "yesterday's glories" to some extent when it places Belicheck, Tomlin, and Payton at #2,3, and 4. But, they've done great things, so, OK. Then to turn around and rank a bunch of coaches who haven't accomplished nearly as much as McDermott or who have NO track record, higher? It's a joke. It really is a joke. What’s even more of a joke is that some Bills fans are ok with him being behind these guys that have done nothing. i think mcdermott is closer to 10 than to 20. To have him 22 looks like click bait playing on bills mafias internet prowess. He knows that one ranking will generate its fair share of clicks. Edited May 25, 2023 by NewEra 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I'm fascinated as to how the #22 ranked head coach makes the playoffs in 5 out of 6 seasons, has the highest winning % in franchise history, is 4-5 in playoff games, and has built a stable winning culture to a team that has had exactly one previous stretch in their history... still has a job? what a freaking joke 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 It seems low imo but I do feel this is a make or break year for McDermott. Top notch human being but he has repeatedly cost us winnable games. Terrible time outs and challenges, bad clock management and losing games we shouldn’t. I wish nothing more than for him to get us to the promise land but we have to seriously consider if he’s the guy if we flop out of the playoffs again. This teams not getting any younger. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) Ridiculous. Outstanding record , completely overhauled a perennial losing franchise. Every team loses to inferior opponents here and there, this 🤡 sounds like a hater. The only game I blame on McD is 13 seconds. Last year was just bad luck with injuries and Damar , leaving coaches and players emotionally spent. We'll have multiple rings under McD Meanwhile Dabol is in his top 10 . Make it make sense.. Edited May 25, 2023 by JerseyBills 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Only the Chiefs have won more games the last three years. And guess what, even they lose close games (sometimes to Sean). He deserves criticism for 13 seconds and strategy in the snow/ice vs Cinci. But he is not 22, I like Ross but he is way off on this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 He’s still ranked too high. im kidding I’m kidding. Even that seems really low to me. But the argument made does have some legitimacy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I think the assessment is a fair one, however the ranking is low. Having him under Staley, McCarthy and Rivera (and others listed higher) is a slap in the face. Arthur Smith? Really? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 So Ross tuckers opinion on this is valid how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 I feel McD is VERY good at some aspects, and just average at others. To be fair, some Superbowl teams have a very average coaches, which gives hope. My worry when Josh was drafted was NOT that he'd be a bust, but just good, borderline very good, and you are now stuck with him. Thankfully, he has become truly elite. Well, I feel McD is very good overall, but not elite. He and his staff have been outcoached with the Xs and Os in quite a few key games. Having his men motivated, focused and all, he's been great at. He just lacks a few things in game play planning and adjusting on the fly. #22 is way too harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: He made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor @ QB in a season in which everyone thought we were tanking. Shady and Clay were our most targeted receivers. Zay, Deonte Thonpson, KB, Andre Holmes. That team had a better record than Mike Mcdaniels who had a loaded roster and a better QB. Mike Tolbert. First, I want to quote this because you had me with "He made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor." How does the 22nd best coach make the playoffs with the 22nd best quarterback? How does the 22nd best coach have a regular season W-L percentage that is 3rd, 7th, 2nd, 8th, 22nd, and 11th in the league in his six seasons as a head coach. So, his very worst season as a head coach is what ranks him as a head coach? Brian Daboll is 8th? Come on. That is nothing but a prediction of the future. Mike Vrabel is 13th? McDermott has a better regular season winning percentage and a better playoff winning percentage, so why exactly is Vrabel ahead of McDermott? Mike McDaniel is 14th? Worse career winning percentage and winless in the playoffs? Kevin O'Connell is 15th? Winless in the playoffs? , Dan Campbell is 16th? 17-28 career coaching record, hasn't sniffed the playoffs. It's just such a stupid list. It's evidence of how journalism has abandoned all standards. No self-respecting editor would allow such stuff to be published. Instead of exercising journalistic standards, the editors want content, no matter how bad, so long as the words are spelled correctly and the content generates clicks. Horrid. 4 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Good reasoning But far too low a ranking. I'm no McDermott homer but he's at least top half of the league. He's like 65-35 w/l or something like that. That's a good coach even if I'm concerned about his decisions in the biggest moments. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Only the Chiefs have won more games the last three years. And guess what, even they lose close games (sometimes to Sean). He deserves criticism for 13 seconds and strategy in the snow/ice vs Cinci. But he is not 22, I like Ross but he is way off on this. Ya and over that same span Buf has the most double dogit wins in the league. The next team, I think KC is 2 or 3 behind. That's impressive asf especially considering the state of the roster when he came in.. reached the playoffs year 1 with a terrible roster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: This is an honest and accurate assessment. I like Sean as a person but his coaching abilities are mediocre. Most coaches get fired after an event like 13 seconds. I would prefer a long term offensive HC to work with Josh. JMHO No they don't. This is up there with Kyle Brandt having Trevor Lawrence as a 5th tier QB in the AFC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 He may not be 22nd, but he's hovering in the teens. Is that really something to hang your hat on? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 (edited) 14. Mike McDaniel, Miami Dolphins Season With Team: 1 | Head Coaching Record: 9-8 Analysis: It’s a small one-year sample size, but McDaniel had Tua Tagovailoa playing at a darn near MVP level and almost won a road playoff game against the Bills with rookie Skylar Thompson under center, which is wild. This reasoning is absurd and just looking at the final score. Almost beat us? We were up 10+ in the 4th qtr. There was never any doubt we'd lose that game Edited May 25, 2023 by JerseyBills 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 Ross Tucker can seriously go ***** himself 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 25, 2023 Share Posted May 25, 2023 He's wrong. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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