Max Fischer Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1658514760717959169?s=20 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Wow… That’s some interesting info on there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippery Rubber Mats Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Jete certainly got some help wow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 So the old af QB who needs tons of rest, gets it. The NFL is all about the large market teams being front and center on the big stage. Get used to Rodgers drawing opportune roughing calls while Sauce continues to ride our receivers like a pony. 3 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 n f l i s n o t r i g g e d 🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Yep. Been trending that way for a while. When the Bills sucked we used to get screwed on it every year. Has evened out a bit now we are good. I think it was one of the Marrone years we played 4 teams coming off the bye and then the week we came off our bye the opponent had been TNF and so had a mini bye themselves. We are middle of the pack now but it still sucks that the NFL doesn't do better on this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 I bet the NFL is intentionally trading some fairness for maximizing quality matchups. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 team divisions is bad enough. The 17th game means teams don’t even have same amount of home games anymore. Add in all the non-sunday games creating rest imbalances and NFL has by far the least equitable scheduling. Not even close. That’s why the 1 seed getting a bye is so dumb. 8 teams per conference should make playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Bills have zero back to back road games. NFL helped us out there. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 He lost me around the 87th post. 3 2 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said: He lost me around the 87th post. While reading all I wanted to say was 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills have zero back to back road games. NFL helped us out there. Technically, they do play back to back road games (at Philly and KC) but not in consecutive weeks. It's broken up by the bye week...which is fairly late in the season and another big plus for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 50 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: n f l i s n o t r i g g e d 🤣 Is this one of those decoding messages where you only read the first letter of each line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 ok what's the correlation between rest/lack of rest and wins or losses or injuries otherwise it's just a weird scheduling fluctuation 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: I bet the NFL is intentionally trading some fairness for maximizing quality matchups. Of course they are. They will maximize profit and ad revenue for marquee matchups at the expense of bottom feeders. Like we were for 17 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 49 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said: He lost me around the 87th post. If the only way to make your point is by 100 character tweets at a time, don’t bother. Really no way to put a link in one tweet which contains entire article? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Great - this will stir up the conspiracy nutjob hordes. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 44 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: ok what's the correlation between rest/lack of rest and wins or losses or injuries otherwise it's just a weird scheduling fluctuation It is a few years old now but the last time I read an analysis of this if fluctuated wildly between the first 10 weeks of the season and thereafter. Basically through 10 weeks extra rest did increase win %. Interestingly from there on in the numbers suggested extra rest actually reduced winning percentage. That was of course an era of 2 seeds on each side getting playoff byes and was in that period when we had a run of wildcard teams who make deep playoff runs. The numbers I am sure have fluctuated somewhat and I can't find the article I read despite having googled for it. I think it was sports illustrated back when Peter King was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Bills have been getting tons of calls since Allen became a star in 2020. Some games it has been almost embarrassing. Bills also got byes before both the Bengals and Chiefs road game this year. Not to mention being delivered the 2 seed over Cincy last year. 2 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 At least Buffalo is dead even for net rest days (not plus or minus). And KC is closer to the bottom with -13. That pleases me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) These disparities are real and affect performance. Whether it makes sense to try to make sense of it is a different question. I think it's actually a question that is of more interest to the coaches than to the fans. I'm sure most, probably all, teams include in their analytics a lot of information about how they've played after short rest and long rest, and a lot of detail about how they prepared on 10-, 9-, 8-, 7- 6-, 5-, 4-, and 3-days rest. They have the data so they can schedule practice and travel to be as well prepared as possible. The preparation plan is different depending on how much time you have between games, whether you have to build travel time in, and how much. The real test, however, is not about how loud you should whine to the league about getting screwed by the schedule (which you definitely must do, just like talking to the officials during the game); instead, the real test is how well you can prepare 50+ players to win whatever game you have coming, regardless of how much rest you have. How do you get these players to outplay the opponents, regardless of what they're bringing to the field (including an extra couple of days of rest). That's the test. The football schedule is a series of weekly battles between opposing armies. In a real battle, none of the generals ever says, "Hey, hold on. Let's start tomorrow, not today, because we just had to run over to Detroit to fight those guys, and we could use another day of rest." Not in real battles, and not in the NFL, either. No, gimmes. No do-overs. The only question is, "Did you win?" Is the schedule fair? I guess not. As others have said, it's a business, and the combatants have to recognize that at some point, they go into battle with a disadvantage. That's the way it is. So, "Did you win?" Edited May 16, 2023 by Shaw66 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 So some one did a bunch of math on 17 week schedule (new last season) with a bunch of new non Sunday time slots and international games and found things unfair? interesting but; 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 good writeup. Face it, this isn't about sports competition fairness. Its about maximizing revenue for the NFL. Players and fans are just going to have to go along with that reality. Now, about this Peacock thing. I am not going behind any paywall to watch. (although I admit to having Amazon Prime, but that is for other reasons) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Of course they are. They will maximize profit and ad revenue for marquee matchups at the expense of bottom feeders. Like we were for 17 years. Not sure I understand. They are not giving bottom feeders less rest and good teams more reset.....rather simply not constraining themselves allows more flexibility for scheduling marquee matchups. I am ok with this...the only drawback is the whining we will have to deal with when the Bills end up on the bad end one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Lots of data about rest, but minimal/no data on its effect. This could have been easily researched. For example, does less rest days equate to losses? Does less rest lead to more injuries. A lot of the inequity has to do with prime time games. Great teams play more prime time games. As we know, these games lead to less rest between games. Prime time games undoubtedly take a toll, but they are mostly affecting great teams - the ones people want to see play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Great - this will stir up the conspiracy nutjob hordes. 3 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: He lost me around the 87th post. Maybe it's 'AI Warren Sharp'? 🤔 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Massive and historic rest disparities will ruin this LEAGUE!!!! OUTRAGE!!!!--even though I have never heard of this metric!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: Lots of data about rest, but minimal/no data on its effect. This could have been easily researched. For example, does less rest days equate to losses? Does less rest lead to more injuries. A lot of the inequity has to do with prime time games. Great teams play more prime time games. As we know, these games lead to less rest between games. Prime time games undoubtedly take a toll, but they are mostly affecting great teams - the ones people want to see play. The problem is that there aren't big sample sizes, so it's tough to get accurate comparisons to reach conclusions. Having said that, I have no doubt that teams have analyzed it as thoroughly and with as much statistical rigor as possible, and they can tell you with a fair amount of certainty what the effects are. They don't just say, "well, small sample size, so we'll ignore it." The coaches certainly feel the difference in days to prepare, and the players do, too, and I'm sure the analytics people work hard to verify their perceptions. But, as you say, that doesn't mean the league will do it differently. They want good games in prime time, and that means the games that they expect, based on what's known today, are the right games to promote as good games on prime time. And so, we get the Jets in prime time, because the league can get better tv audiences with a New York team in prime time, and the Jets have jumped ahead of the Giants by signing Rodgers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Doug Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 24 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: The problem is that there aren't big sample sizes, so it's tough to get accurate comparisons to reach conclusions. Having said that, I have no doubt that teams have analyzed it as thoroughly and with as much statistical rigor as possible, and they can tell you with a fair amount of certainty what the effects are. They don't just say, "well, small sample size, so we'll ignore it." The coaches certainly feel the difference in days to prepare, and the players do, too, and I'm sure the analytics people work hard to verify their perceptions. But, as you say, that doesn't mean the league will do it differently. They want good games in prime time, and that means the games that they expect, based on what's known today, are the right games to promote as good games on prime time. And so, we get the Jets in prime time, because the league can get better tv audiences with a New York team in prime time, and the Jets have jumped ahead of the Giants by signing Rodgers. All the data he presented was based on small sample sizes. For example, there being 1 team facing 5 opponents coming off a bye week. Sounds pretty anecdotal to me. All the other data was similarly on a very limit set of data. Pool this data over at least 3 years and it may show something meaning. If the teams have this data (and I agree, they probably do), we can’t assume to know what this data is. Even if it appears obvious to an observer. I would think if they did have this data, I would also assume they are sharing this with the league. The league has a Competition Committee and a Health & Safety Committee, not to mention an NFLPA keeping a close eye on them. If this data was showing something meaningful, I would think (an assumption) something would be done about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Apparently a team he likes is getting the short end of the "rest" stick. Meanwhile, I will continue to listen to the fading drums of "we always play in KC!!!!" I stopped caring about where we play during the covid years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 The new scheduling and broadcast partners have contributed to disparity. Somebody had to get screwed so all the new scheduling options. NFL Teams are now being screwed along with fans who attend games and fans trying to watch all games and needing to pay for various services they would not buy otherwise and raises in prices of services they already were buying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 The Bills need to smash NJJ week 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 14 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Of course they are. They will maximize profit and ad revenue for marquee matchups at the expense of bottom feeders. Like we were for 17 years. Except the team that had the worst disadvantage isn’t a bottom feeder-they played in the NFC championship game! Also, how did this thread make it almost 2 pages without anyone mentioning the whole “Jets don’t play in NY” thing? According to this guy, the Jets play against the Bills several weeks in a row!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 I am not a fan of all of the game offerings on days other than Sunday. The scheduling of these days makes the situation outlined here an issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 18 hours ago, Max Fischer said: https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1658514760717959169?s=20 Not shocked they want the Jets to be good. I mean the Jets will mess this up somehow and end up 7-9 or 9-8.. but I understand the NFL wants both NY teams be good it’s a huge market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 I think it’s just as interesting that this will be the second year in a row that the Bills will be playing a “home game” on the road. You’d think the schedulers would’ve accounted for the Detroit/blizzard issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) On 5/16/2023 at 3:15 PM, Donuts and Doritos said: He lost me around the 87th post. I am working on a theory Warren Sharp is our own 'BSF/I am leaving for good'. 🤔 Edited May 19, 2023 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 Oh crap! Now I need a nap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) Given the teams benefitting from a rest advantage, it seems like incompetence on the NFL's part as opposed to a malicious scheme. *or like stated earlier, just the league in search of the best match-ups. Edited May 17, 2023 by Chicken Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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