Matt Araiza

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

She was underaged at a party with a lot of alcohol. You will never be able to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that she consented to every sexual act that night. Any prosecutor wouldn't even bother filing charges. In a perfect world there would be some kind of justice here, but ultimately everyone involved will just have to get on with their lives.

And everyone will go on with their life .. except Matt Araiza. 
 

Forget if he ever gets his career back .. that name on a resume is forever toxic. 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Not in this case though, mountains of evidence showing it.  Let’s not forget, her own Journal stated she had no idea who led her to that room.  But in a civil suit for money, she lied and said it was him despite the fact he wasn’t even there.  

 

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Unless she was on video… Looking sober enough

 

Talking about how she hooked up with a bunch of guys… Lots of videos at parties

 

All this evidence is circumstantial. What we know is she was drunk and had sex with a few drunk guys at a party. There isn't enough real evidence to prove what happened in a court of law. I agree that all the information points to a girl who either went to the party with ulterior motives, or regretted her decisions the next morning and decided to pull other people down with her. But there's no chance you could convince a jury that this girl intentionally lied about how consensual the sex was. Consent is already a rather nebulous legal concept. Trying to prove how an individual feels about how much consent she gave is just impossible. If you could prove she wasn't there at all for example or never had sex that would be worth a defamation suit.

 

Trust me, I understand the urge to see justice done if this girl ruined several lives. But the legal system just isn't set up to manage these kinds of scenarios.

 

Edited May 9, 2023 by HappyDays

[HamSandwhich]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I was just coming here to post this!  I wonder how many people will actually read the undeniable facts that 100% clear him or just ignore them and ignorantly proclaim he’s guilty still.  

 

I can name a few that were spouting ignorance about this in the past couple of weeks proclaiming no charges filed doesn’t mean he is innocent and that he still likely did it.

 

I was right there saying the same thing and getting flamed for having the “audacity” to suggest we wait until we have real facts before ruining someone’s life.  In fact, there is a low life poster here who literally DM’d me, threatened me, and demanded to know what lot number I was going to be at so he could fight me over that.  I should have reported him, but didn’t…although I still have the DM.  Guarantee that ignorant fool doesn’t even apologize either.  

It's so ingrained in some people's thinking, planted there by ideological winds unfortunately, usually with no statistics to support it so they have to go hard. Sad story, good on you for being the bigger person and not entertaining it.  

[1ManRaid]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

And everyone will go on with their life .. except Matt Araiza. 
 

Forget if he ever gets his career back .. that name on a resume is forever toxic. 

 

I dunno, I think he'll get another shot since there's actual proof of innocence.  If you can get second chances in the NFL after domestic abuse and dog fighting, you should be able to get your career back on track after being proven innocent.

Edited May 9, 2023 by 1ManRaid

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

All this evidence is circumstantial. What we know is she was drunk and had sex with a few drunk guys at a party. There isn't enough real evidence to prove what happened in a court of law. I agree that all the information points to a girl who either went to the party with ulterior motives, or regretted her decisions the next morning and decided to pull other people down with her. But there's no chance you could convince a jury that this girl intentionally lied about how consensual the sex was. Consent is already a rather nebulous legal concept. Trying to prove how an individual feels about how much consent she gave is just impossible. If you could prove she wasn't there at all for example or never had sex that would be worth a defamation suit.

 

Trust me, I understand the urge to see justice done if this girl ruined several lives. But the legal system just isn't set up to manage these kinds of scenarios.

 

We know she says she was drunk

 

It’s also now been proven she has lied

 

What if she wasn’t even that drunk… or drunk at all… And concocted a story

 

Did she blow in a breathalyzer

Edited May 9, 2023 by Buffalo716

[HamSandwhich]

29 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

You weren't alone.  I was heavily in the "the evidence doesn't add up" camp.

I wasn't sure how the evidence lined up, I just knew I didn't have the facts and I wasn't going to roast a person for something I didn't have the facts on. People love to say, "Why would someone lie about that?". Newflash, people lie...all...the...time...  Wait for the facts to come out. I was might annoyed when the Bills cut him but that is the climate we live in unfortunately. Ruin a person's life just by alleging. 

[UKBillFan]

I was uncomfortable with Araiza being released by the Bills in the first place even though could understand why - it felt like guilty until proven innocent, as confirmed today. Would be nice to somehow see him back on the Bills roster but with budgets tight, he may have to wait for an opening and hope. I hope he manages to rebuild his career in the NFL after this.

 

I don’t know about in America but, in the U.K., convictions of rape are very low. Events such of these won’t help true victims come forward.

Edited May 9, 2023 by UKBillFan

[JerseyBills]

 “you were approaching men at the party saying, ‘I want you to [expletive] me and if you don’t [expletive] me you’re a [expletive].”

 

Unreal. I guess I was always a "ladies man" and wasn't interested in relationships with females, just hooking up and I've seen this behavior first hand, numerous times at parties with similar proposals

 

They're called whores. They get passed around.  They just want meaningless sex. Which is fine but I really feel bad for Punt God. A damn ***** literally cost this kid his reputation, career and $. Damn shame.  She should be prosecuted with all this evidence. 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

All this evidence is circumstantial. What we know is she was drunk and had sex with a few drunk guys at a party. There isn't enough real evidence to prove what happened in a court of law. I agree that all the information points to a girl who either went to the party with ulterior motives, or regretted her decisions the next morning and decided to pull other people down with her. But there's no chance you could convince a jury that this girl intentionally lied about how consensual the sex was. Consent is already a rather nebulous legal concept. Trying to prove how an individual feels about how much consent she gave is just impossible. If you could prove she wasn't there at all for example or never had sex that would be worth a defamation suit.

 

Trust me, I understand the urge to see justice done if this girl ruined several lives. But the legal system just isn't set up to manage these kinds of scenarios.

The evidence isn’t circumstantial at all. There is video of her with those she accused, plus some she didn’t, where she’s not drunk and not resisting. There’s also evidence she said she was 18. 

[HamSandwhich]

Just so we are on the same page here, I abhor this type of "Believe all women" mentality BS. It's because not only does it ruin peoples lives simply by alleging but it muddies the waters for others who have been raped and have an actual case. It's an absolute disgrace all around and those who do this should have the book thrown at them. 

[UKBillFan]

Interestingly, the “victim’s” lawyer who decided to act as judge, jury and executioner on Twitter has gone very quiet….

 

https://twitter.com/dangilleon

[JerseyBills]

41 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Hopefully he gets his career back at least. He'll never be a Bill, but some NFL team should give him a shot.

I don't see any reason he could never be a Bill..

We did draft him. and this report clears his name with no doubt.  

[Doc]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

I don't see any reason he could never be a Bill..

We did draft him. and this report clears his name with no doubt.  

The Billls signed Martin to a 3-year deal. 

[Blank Stare]

I hate this for the young man and the Bills. They invested in what may have been a generational punter (I know, I know. He’s a punter) and his whole life was turned upside down. I was in the “wait and see” camp, but I understood there was really nothing the Bills could do that close to the season. Too much of a distraction for a title hopeful team. Little did we know that was only the beginning of last year’s unfortunate distractions.
 

Hopefully, he gets another shot. I’d be up for bringing him back on to battle Sam Martin in training camp. 

[Augie]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Lessons sure 

 

But his reputation has absolutely been impacted… Half of the country will never even hear that he was cleared and his name will always be synonymous with a rapist

 

He lost his career and millions of dollars

 

She should go to jail

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I typically think better of people who are innocent of rape over actual rapists.   That’s just me though .. to each, their own. 

 

It’s impacted for sure, but the truth is out. Maybe it’s because I never bought the stories in the beginning. I was neutral waiting for answers. But there were certainly people who were quicker to judge, and he WAS in fact harmed. 

 

Everybody will get what they deserve for this, in some way. 

[Peace Frog]

The Punt God was unfairly crucified.  

[CaptnCoke11]

Tons of people on here crucified this kid.  Todays society of guilty until proven innocent is disgusting. 

[Process]

If I recall correctly ESPN was all over him when he got cut by the Bills, on shows like first take etc. Hopefully they cover this as well.

[boyst]

Absolutely ridiculous and those dbags here who grabbed pitch forks ready to lynch this dude should be kicked in the nuts. They're the type never learns. They probably won't read this because Nancy Grace is on or some *****, but they deserve to have their noses rubbed in to just how wrong snap judgements are and the dangers of persecution.

[CaptnCoke11]

39 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I heard more than a few people saying that he should sue the Bills/NFL.  He's got no case against them.

He most definitely should 

[JerseyBills]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

The Billls signed Martin to a 3-year deal. 

I know and he was great. Just saying,  I don't see why he couldn't be a Bill at some point 

It's not like Martins contract would kill us in dead cap

[BillsfaninSB]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

The Billls signed Martin to a 3-year deal. 

I prefer Martin over Araiza regardless of the off the field stuff. 

[TheBrownBear]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

 “you were approaching men at the party saying, ‘I want you to [expletive] me and if you don’t [expletive] me you’re a [expletive].”

 

As hard as it is to believe, I witnessed this behavior first hand multiple times at frat parties in undergrad (granted this was the 90s/00s). Every guy with half a brain steered clear of these girls.

[Big Turk]

56 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Feel free to merge or move to another forum, but a lot of people owe this man an apology. 
 

 

 

As soon as I read about the woman talking about how she was going to increase her body count by more than one I figured it was all BS she made up once her parents found out to prevent getting in trouble for being a super slut.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

As hard as it is to believe, I witnessed this behavior first hand multiple times at frat parties in undergrad (granted this was the 90s/00s). Every guy with half a brain steered clear of these girls.

So yes, what you say is true, however, rape does happen on these campuses and in these frat houses
 

Mostly goes unreported

 

As the evidence comes out, I hope that he can get his career back

[Brandon]

  I'm not surprised.  The story we heard never seemed to add up to me. 

[Zag20]

Ariaza needs to rebrand as “Punt Gosh” and maybe shoot for the XFL.

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Process said:

If I recall correctly ESPN was all over him when he got cut by the Bills, on shows like first take etc. Hopefully they cover this as well.

I'll be surprised if they even send out a tweet about it.

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I prefer Martin over Araiza regardless of the off the field stuff. 

The bills got lucky with Martin. He got cut from his team inexplicably because he was such a good player and the bill swooped in.

[JerseyBills]

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

As hard as it is to believe, I witnessed this behavior first hand multiple times at frat parties in undergrad (granted this was the 90s/00s). Every guy with half a brain steered clear of these girls.

I have too. Early 2010s. I gotta admit, sometimes my little head did the thinking and I caved. But always wore protection with those type. There's alot more of these type girls than ppl realize, especially at frat parties

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Feel free to merge or move to another forum, but a lot of people owe this man an apology. 
 

 

That lawyer who made it his mission to destroy Araiza's career, should be stripped naked in public and flogged with a barbed wire

 

[Behindenemylines]

I haven’t followed much of this but did t he admit to having sex wit her earlier in the evening?  
 

if wrongfully accused for sake of $ I hope he can sue her and her scumbag attorney for everything they ever get and have if it’s truly made up. As someone stated earlier once you’re accused you’ll always be guilty to a % of the population.  
 

[Billznut]

57 minutes ago, Dave_Bills said:

Poor guy. Can never rush to judgement. Hopefully he gets another opportunity. 

Yep ALOT of people on this forum should feel very very foolish and embarrassed for all their ignorant comments last summer, speaking about something they had NO clue about. Happens often. 

[Fan in Chicago]

18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Interestingly, the “victim’s” lawyer who decided to act as judge, jury and executioner on Twitter has gone very quiet….

 

https://twitter.com/dangilleon

Yea, this is the guy I was referring to. 

[mannc]

Just now, Billznut said:

Yep ALOT of people on this forum should feel very very foolish and embarrassed for all their ignorant comments last summer, speaking about something they had NO clue about. Happens often. 

My favorites were the comments here asserting that Araiza had admitted to raping the "victim"--based entirely on the contents of a press release from the esteemed Mr. Gilleon, who would never, ever lie, or even stretch the truth... 

[1ManRaid]

19 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Interestingly, the “victim’s” lawyer who decided to act as judge, jury and executioner on Twitter has gone very quiet….

 

https://twitter.com/dangilleon

 

Mysteriously went silent back in December.  That must be when evidence of Araiza's innocence turned up.  I bet this lawyer was banking on this high profile case being his "big break".

[BillsNutHawaii]

49 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

The Bills did nothing wrong. I respect that Beane didn't jump on the bandwagon, I could tell that he found it difficult to let Araiza go after the Bills had run their own investigation and found nothing incriminating. But there was a black cloud hanging over the team after the allegation came out and it just isn't worth holding on to a punter with that kind of baggage. I just hope he gets his NFL career back.

 "...I could tell that he found it difficult to let Araiza go..."

 

I have no proof, (But these days, who needs proof, right?) but I strongly suspect team ownership forced the GM's hand - just to avoid backlash from those who make the most noise and to present the appearance that they are on the right side of the issues.

 

What a pathetic sequence of events.

 

May those who falsely judged Matt Araiza be judged the same way when they face a personal crisis. 

[benderbender]

The Bills cut ties with him for this very reason. It was never guilt or innocence, it was the media circus and the unnecessary attention it brought.

[1ManRaid]

17 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

He most definitely should 

 

Based on what?  What legal argument could he make that the Bills broke a law or violated a contract?  As far as I know, "wrongful termination" isn't a thing for NFL players.

[Royale with Cheese]

I feel terrible for the kid.  Its every kids dream to play pro sports and his was ripped away over something false.

 

He should be able to land in camp somewhere.  He needs to be given the chance that was taken away.

 

If the Bills hadn’t extended our punter (I honestly don’t know his name off the top of my head because he’s a punter without a cool nickname), I would say it would be the right thing to do to sign him back.

 

I really hope he lands somewhere and dominates at his position.